Can Property Commit a Crime?

The question might seem ridiculous given the logical answer, but the matter is headed to the Supreme Court.

The Wall Street Journal asks Can Police Simply Take Your Car?

Stephanie Wilson was never accused of a crime, but Detroit police seized her car anyway. For nearly two years, Ms. Wilson asked to see a judge. But her requests were ignored, and, instead, she was forced to attend repeated pretrial conferences with prosecutors. Missing one would automatically mean losing her car forever.

Ms. Wilson insisted she had done nothing wrong. Prosecutors took the car because they alleged her ex-boyfriend had used it to transport drugs, even though he was never charged with a crime and no drugs were found in the car. More important, the car belonged to Ms. Wilson, not her ex. Still, prosecutors refused even to let Ms. Wilson retrieve her child’s car seat from the car while she waited for a judge to hear her case.

This is civil forfeiture—a legal mechanism that allows the government to seize property because the government alleges the property is connected to a crime. Because the property, not its owner, is formally the “defendant,” considerations of due process—such as a right to a speedy trial—go out the window.

On Monday the Supreme Court will hear a case to decide whether the Constitution requires a prompt hearing after law enforcement seizes vehicles for civil forfeiture. The plaintiffs in Culley v. Marshall had their vehicles seized because a family member and friend allegedly possessed drugs while borrowing them. Law enforcement held each car for over a year without a hearing.

In Culley v. Marshall, the state of Alabama argues that prompt hearings would be unworkable because police need time to investigate after they take cars. But that gets the working of the justice system backward. Police need to investigate before they take property, not after. If it’s unclear property is involved in a crime, police shouldn’t seize it in the first place.

The Supreme Court should take a page from the Sixth Circuit. If the government takes a person’s car—for many, their most crucial asset—then it should at least provide a speedy hearing.

How Can Property Be a Defendant?

I suggest property cannot logically be a defendant because it is impossible for property to commit a crime.

And since property cannot commit a crime, the Supreme Court should ban civil forfeiture except under four conditions, all of which must be true.

Four Conditions for Civil Forfeiture

  1. A person must be charged with a crime.
  2. The property seized must be involved in that crime.
  3. The property seized must be owned by the person charged with the crime.
  4. The person must be convicted.

This would put an end to the logically irrational process of accusing property rather than persons of crimes.

The WSJ accurately stated “Police need to investigate before they take property, not after. If it’s unclear property is involved in a crime, police shouldn’t seize it in the first place.”

However, the WSJ totally blew the remedy.

A speedy process is not the answer except in instances where points one and two are met and the property owner is the only thing in question. Then there needs to be a conviction.

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Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
6 months ago

Slogan on side of police patrol car:
“Su casa, mi casa.”

Tractionengine
Tractionengine
6 months ago

And there was silly me thinking that you were entitled to defend yourself when charged with a crime. What a funny country.

quagmire
quagmire
6 months ago

Is this even constitutional?

Shamrockva
Shamrockva
6 months ago
Reply to  quagmire

Yes. Thank you drug war.

ImNotStiller
ImNotStiller
6 months ago

Scarier thing I’ve heard in a lot of time. Can the FBI take your home, your laptop, or your blog for years because someone maybe did something illegal, loosely connected with your belongings?
Stalin’s dream…

RonJ
RonJ
6 months ago

Variation on a theme.

“Show me the man and i will show you the crime”
“Show me the property and i will show you it’s crime”

Future theme: You will own nothing … and be happy

shamrockva
shamrockva
6 months ago

Asset forfeiture reform is one of the policy goals of the poorly named “de-fund the police” movement that everyone loves to hate that came in the wake of the George Floyd homicide. In Virginia a law was enacted in 2020 under democrat control to do just that, long before the beloved Governor Northram arrived with his anti-woke agenda. No asset forfeiture in Virginia without a conviction or plea. (Caveat: the feds can still do whatever they want.)

link to legiscan.com

2020 was the best year for freedom in Virginia in my life and probably ever.

VeldesX
VeldesX
6 months ago

There is a financial impetus for CAF — often these police officials behave as though their paychecks depend on keeping seized property. I know they get to sell it and the station keeps the proceeds. But how does that benefit the officials? There must be some explanation for the covetous greed on display…

John W Rodat
John W Rodat
6 months ago

Though it may not be relevant to the particular case you described, the potential unfairness or even craziness of such practices may be compounded by Federal and state laws that allow law enforcement agencies to benefit directly and financially by such seizures. They can use or sell the property and spend the proceeds, often without the usual financial constraints and oversight that government agencies are subject to.

That’s dangerous and creates a terrible incentive

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
6 months ago
Reply to  John W Rodat

Exactly. It’s used to fill coffers and pension plans.

The scam is that they never accuse the person of anything that could go to a trial. The idea is to tire you out so you stop asking for your stuff back so they can keep it.

joedidee
joedidee
6 months ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

I suggest they just take tax credit $1 for $1 siezed

Doug78
Doug78
6 months ago

This is a legal matter and I am not a lawyer. I do not know if there are precedents going back centuries or if some court has found this or that acceptable or unacceptable. I suspect that even lawyers would have many different views on this thing so I will let them duke it out while I go do something else.

KGB
KGB
6 months ago
Reply to  Doug78

The law was made to serve man. Man was not made to serve the law.

Doug78
Doug78
6 months ago
Reply to  KGB

Noble words but law is more complicated than a one-liner.

Avery2
Avery2
6 months ago

They came for Uncle Rico The Mobster, but I didn’t say anything because I wasn’t a mobster …

Isn’t that how it goes?

Stu
Stu
6 months ago

I could not possibly agree more with your assessment Mish! The examples mentioned were absolutely ridiculous, totally unnecessary at the time, and no logic used to make sense of what was done and even why…

Your “Four Conditions for Civil Forfeiture” are Spot On!!

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
6 months ago
Reply to  Stu

These are done by the police to fill their coffers and pension plans. They don’t ever want to accuse anyone of anything that might go to a trial. The whole purpose of doing this is to keep your property / cash long enough to tire you out so that they get to keep it. They don’t care if it takes years because it costs them nothing.

joedidee
joedidee
6 months ago
Reply to  Stu

don’t forget when they sieze a vehicle that still has loan on it
the owner still has to make payments/pay it off

Edward
Edward
6 months ago

Received dozens of emails from you today. OLD posts.

Frederick
Frederick
6 months ago
Reply to  Edward

Same

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