Enormous Protest Against Macron and the French Government in France Today

The Wall Street Journal reports LVMH’s Paris Headquarters Stormed by Protesters

Demonstrations against Macron’s pension overhaul spill over into other facets of France’s establishment

Protesters stormed the headquarters of luxury conglomerate LVMH Moët Hennessy Louis Vuitton SE on Thursday as the nationwide protest movement against President Emmanuel Macron’s pension overhaul morphed into a populist rebuke of France’s establishment.

Pension Reform at Heart of Protests 

On March 28, I commented French Pension Reforms Trigger Strikes, Arson, and Riots. Prelude to the US?

What Happened?

President Emmanuel Macron upped the retirement age from 62 to 64 and placed further restrictions on collecting a full pension.

He did this unilaterally, by decree.

Under the French constitution, the president can enact laws without a vote in Parliament if he can survive a vote of no confidence.

Macron barely survived a vote of no-confidence by just nine votes. 278 voted in favor, with 287 needed. 

Protest in Paris

Protests in Toulouse

Protest at the Blackrock head office in Paris 

Railway workers invade Louis Vuitton HQ 

Railway workers invade Louis Vuitton HQ as protests erupt across France on eve of decision on retirement age

The number of economic illiterates on Twitter in support of these riots is stunning. People are living longer than ever with fewer workers paying into pension plans and in the US into Social Security.

US Social Security

By 2035, the basic US system known as Social Security will no longer be able to cover payments, forcing a 20% reduction in benefits, according to its trustees.

That is hardly the worst of it.

Many public union pension plans in the US, especially politically corrupt states like Illinois, are realistically insolvent.

Yet, the fools in Illinois voted to enshrine pension promises in the constitution.

PATCO Solution

I support the Ronald Reagan approach.

Fire all public union workers who strike. In fact, public unions ought not exist at all in the first place. That is where the real problem is.

Now we are saddled with pension promises that cannot possibly be met all because corrupt politicians get in bed with corrupt union leaders screwing the ordinary taxpayer.

For discussion, please see Democrats, Here’s Your Chance to Get Rid of Bad Police

Ronald Reagan smashed PATCO, he did not go far enough. He should have smashed all the public unions.

The fact of the matter is simple: Public Unions Have No Business Existing: Even FDR Admitted That.

Yet, the protests are understandable, even if the math is prohibitive. 

Fiscal deficits and inane Fed policy, central bank policy in general, have benefitted those with first access to money (banks, the already wealthy, and government cronies) at the expense of everyone else.

But the solution is not more free money and benefits, 

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Jackula
Jackula
2 years ago
Well said Mish … the political will among our oligarchs, corporate leadership and their lobbyists that actually run things to deal with actual problems that affect the 99% does not exist in our political system. Perhaps a few countries like France melting down will motivate them?
blacklisted
blacklisted
2 years ago
Pensions and everything else holding govt debt are toast. The planned wars will be used to default on govt debt. But don’t worry, the Mother WEFers have Guaranteed Basic Income for you, which is all you’ll need in a world where you don’t own anything and live in a Tiny home in Pottersville.
While the issues have been building for decades, the people writing Bidens words and wiping his butt (Neocons, and Woke Useful Idiots) have seized the moment to make sure their concocted crisis’ do not go to waste. Sadly, another civil war is coming between those that continue to believe all of the BS (gloBull warming, coronadoom, ESG, Wokism, etc.) and those that have called BS on the BS.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
2 years ago
Social Security payments are about 5.5-6% of GDP.
The real question is:
When the US Congress simply prints 20% of that 5.5-6% – how much inflation will this increase in “money” produce?
Portlander2
Portlander2
2 years ago
Fire all public union workers who strike. In fact, public unions ought not exist at all in the first place. That is where the real problem is.
Sorry Mish, I believe in checks and balances, and unions provide a useful check against management stupidity. A point is reached when teachers, hospital workers, trash collectors etc. have no choice but to strike to get press attention to their awful working conditions and pitiful wages. Generally, when voters understand the substance of workers’ complaints, they tend to side with the strikers. This was true of the recent threatened rail strike (no sick days, crushing schedules, etc.). In that case, the workers reluctantly returned to work when ordered to do so by the Feds, but the issues impacting rail safety remain. The public will lose in the end.
whirlaway
whirlaway
2 years ago
Reply to  Portlander2
Right. Whenever they oppose public unions, these guys *pretend* to support private unions. I say OK, let’s see when the private unions represent at least 25% of the private sector workforce. Only then will I even consider supporting ending public unions.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
2 years ago
Reply to  Portlander2
In most Democracies there are more workers (voters) than management (voters).
By the definition’s imperative – management must lose to the workers.
No matter how negative the result.
Avery
Avery
2 years ago
Hi Mish.
Did the Danville High School cover the Magna Carta in history class 50 years ago?
That’s what this is about. Not some Reagan theatrics.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
2 years ago
I worked. I paid taxes. I saved. I invested. I retired at 58. I don’t need to, but I still ‘work’. I still save. I still invest. And yes, I still pay taxes.
The problem is entitlement. Less work. Less taxes. No saving. No investing. Retire at 65. Do nothing but Facebook.
MiTurn
MiTurn
2 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
You are right on about entitlements. Such as giving illegal aliens free medical care. And the mentality that college graduates with student debt are somehow victims.
hamsaplo
hamsaplo
2 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
If I want to do nothing after 65 but be on Facebook and drink martinis and IPA, then that is what I will do, Captain. And I also worked and paid taxes. My employers and I paid over $500,000 (discounted over 40 years) into the SS trust fund. I want it back.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
2 years ago
Reply to  hamsaplo
You paid a lot into the system which entitles you to do what you want. Enjoy Facebook and your martinis.
Jack
Jack
2 years ago
Reply to  hamsaplo
Boomer goes boom
8dots
8dots
2 years ago
In the 1930’s useful idiots were fascinated with marxism. After Stalin purge they realized that it’s all about power. The best way to fight communism is socialism. The social democrat rose to power in 1932 in Germany.
Jack
Jack
2 years ago
Reply to  8dots
National socialism is not social democracy
MBA SOFA
MBA SOFA
2 years ago
Public debt in France 115% of gdp. Italy 160%. And recession is coming.
Eurozone’s ending?
Carl_R
Carl_R
2 years ago
It would seem to me that there two possible ways to create a fundamentally sound pension system, and I don’t see either being implemented. Rather, I see a continuation of the “kick the can down the road” approach that we have seen in recent years. What are the two possible ways to create a system that is fundamentally sound?
Option 1 is to index the retirement age to life expectancy. Let’s say that we arbitrarily decide that people should be allowed to be retired, on average, for 10% o their life. So, if life expectancy is 70, the retirement age would be 63. As it moves to 80, the retirement age would move to 72. If life expectancy ever reaches 100, retirement age would be 90. Once you do this, the system would be sound forever. Regardless of the life expectancy, people would spend the same portion of their life paying in, and the same portion of their life withdrawing. By contrast, when life expectancy rises without an increase in the retirement age, people get to spend a larger portion of their total life withdrawing, leaving an ever heavier burden on those people still working.
Option 2 is to convert the system away from defined benefit, and to defined contribution. As people work, they put money in that is credited to them, and when they retire, they draw money from that pool. They can retire any time they like, but the amount that they can pull out would be limited by the amount that they put in, and a function of their remaining life expectancy. Retire at 50? Sure, but don’t expect to get much per year. Retire at 80? Sure, and you will get a huge amount per year.
The US has done a little bit of both, but not enough of either, so the system is running out of money. The original retirement age was 65, while the life expectancy at the time was 62. Now the life expectancy is about 80, while the retirement age is 68. It has gone up, but not nearly enough to avoid inevitable bankruptcy. Social security does give you options on retirement age, where you can retire at 62 with a big haircut, at 68 with par, and and 70 with a premium payout. This does encourage some people to continue to work until 70, but not nearly enough to save the program from running out of money.
Carl_R
Carl_R
2 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
The biggest thing is that Macron had no business making the decision unilaterally. He should have put it up for a vote, with a ballot similar to this:
A. The retirement should be upped to 64, with restrictions on full pensions.
B. The amount any person can withdraw from their pension should be limited to the amount they contributed, plus interest
C. Pension taxes should be significantly increased on those still working
D. The system should be allowed to run as is until it runs out of money, at which point it should be terminated
My guess is that persons >50 would vote for C, while younger people would vote for A, and very few would vote for D.
lamlawindy
lamlawindy
2 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
I’m no fan of Pres. Macron, but saying that he “had no business making the decision unilaterally” is incorrect: Article 49 of the French Constitution allows the process employed by Pres. Macron as long as the Asamblee Nationale does not pass a no-confidence motion against the President’s government.
Of course, being legally able to do something doesn’t make doing it a wise decision. This move probably makes Pres. Macron a lame duck. Moreover, any crafty politician may promise a reversal of the law in the future.
Carl_R
Carl_R
2 years ago
Reply to  lamlawindy
I wasn’t saying that it was illegal for him to do it. I was saying that it was a decision that he would have been wiser to leave to frame in a way that forced the public to make a decision, because regardless of the choice made, the outcome was going to be unpopular. Thus, we are in agreement.
MikeC711
MikeC711
2 years ago
I am not a fan of Macron … but he is right in this case. I feared you were going to attack Macron when the real issue is unsustainable retirements in light of population demographics. Glad you do see this, and you also correctly correlated this to our social security mess. Both parties are blaming the other party when both have plenty of fault. At 61, part of me thinks I should start collecting earlier than 70 just to avoid getting the cold shoulder. It’s bad enough that they took all of the money out after tax … and then they will tax me when they give most of it back to me. Also, unless I get well into my 80s, they will never even pay back what I paid in much less any interest. So it’s a typical government thing, take a whole lot of money after tax, tax it again (double tax) when you give some of it back.
hamsaplo
hamsaplo
2 years ago
Reply to  MikeC711
I took SS at 63. I was retired with not much in the way of job prospects. The calculation is simple and you can do it on a spreadsheet. SS tells you how much you have paid in every year. Calculate the total discounted value of your income stream at different retirement ages. Then do the same for the amounts that SS says they will pay you for each retirement age. You can see the SS inflation adjustments for every year online. Guess how long you will live and see if you will get your money back.
It was no contest for me. The years between 63 and 70 far outweighed the benefits of waiting until 70, or even 67. I think that one day a US politician will get wind of this fact and squeeze the lower end of the SS retirement age range. That’s what Macron seemed to be doing but he was just too dictatorial about it.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
2 years ago
Reply to  hamsaplo
Did approximately the same thing.
Started SocSec the next month at 64 1/3.
Zero regrets.
First preference was always being frugal and a saver – this was a no brainer.
8dots
8dots
2 years ago
Xi is a global rabble rouser. He convinced Macron to build a European force, in which France will be the most powerful nation, because
Biden might send the French army to fight China in Taiwan. Macron will cut SS in order to raise the defense budget. Make sense. A stronge
more powerful European force is Trump agenda. The neo didn’t like it.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
“Fire all public union workers who strike. In fact, public unions ought not exist at all in the first place. That is where the real problem is.”
Hear, hear!
Paying bills such as public pension commitments is one of the reasons that cites are so concerned with the Work From Home (WFH) movement. There is going to be a sharp reduction in city tax revenues if they can’t get people back into the offices as companies will downside their physical operations and all the various and sundry auxiliary businesses that support corporate business and work sites will also forced to close down, thus leading to a sharp drop in tax revenues.
There are also problems with union contracts. For example, I believe that SF transit union still has a clause in their contracts that they must be at least the 2nd highest paid transit union in the nation!
So this is why politicians everywhere are leaning hard on business executives (like Jamie Dimon, perhaps?) to bring the workers back into the office.
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
If they lean too hard, those workers could well form their own companies from home, and starve out the existing ones.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
2 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
We will see if pushing hard results in job hopping – which also might get you more money.
I receive many emails a day from agencies for EE/CS tech jobs and about 1/3 of the listings are remote jobs.
Probably different for insurance and finance, but it’s pretty hard to push tech folks that don’t require a lab back to the office.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
2 years ago
At the end of the day, the crucial issue in both public and private employment is efficiency/effectiveness of land, labor, and capital. In financial terms, that’s a positive net present value of the benefits-costs (hence net) derived from each asset (employee), working in combination. Competition strives to increase that value. Democratic socialism (looking more and more like fascism) strives to make everyone equal, except for those who aren’t equal. You can guess which systemis in ascendancy in the US. We’ve already seen the revolution fail–Jan 6 is a stark reminder that any dissent from the ‘accepted’ narrative will be harshly treated.
Frankly, I don’t fancy Macron’s chances of effecting change in France. It is not about public unions. They simply do not have the guillotines to cut off 17,000 heads in a year (from June 1793 to July 1794). Cutting people off from social media just isn’t the same.
8dots
8dots
2 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Send 2/3 dozens rabble rousers to Elba island for life.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
2 years ago
Reply to  8dots
Two years later, a great many US citizens who attended Jan 6 still have not had a trial. Why is that?
MiTurn
MiTurn
2 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Because there is no justice. Unless you’re part of the Democratic Party. Double standard, for sure.
Jack
Jack
2 years ago
Reply to  MiTurn

I also wonder why the protesters have not had their trail yet. Guess the Justice dept was hollowed out during 2016-20 and COVID slowed processing of cases down. In the meantime, they are enjoying their freedom.

Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Are they still in jail? If not, are they in a hurry to get there?
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
2 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Still awaiting trial as far as I know. Someone here reported the numbers a while back .
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
2 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Some of the policy and procedures developed in Gitmo can be applied in the US?
Jack
Jack
2 years ago
Reply to  8dots
Napoleon was on Elba for only 10 mths before escaping.
A better bet would be the remote St Helena.
St Helena was Napoleon’s final gig until his syphilis and arsenic medical treatments did him in.
Karlmarx
Karlmarx
2 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
According to Marx, socialism is an economic system that can only exist after capitalism has created so much wealth that there really is no need to work – thus from each according to his ability and to each according to his need. Under socialism the people own the means of production and utilize that toward a common goal. Socialism is by definition altruistic. (at least socialism in its theoretical form).
What usually is called “socialist” today, societies like North Korea, Red China, Cuba, and the Progressive’s version of America, is definitional Fascism. Under a fascist system like that of say mid-century Italy, or North Korea, the State (generally defined as the entity that controls policing power) owns the means of production. This means that the State owns all of the the land, the labor and the capital under its control. The State may assign some of those assets to an individual to operate and profit from, or it may utilize the means of production itself.
The scary thing under fascism (and what is becoming more and more evident in politics today) is that since the State owns the means of production including labor, it by definition owns all of the individuals living within it. And since labor is the property of the State it can determine how it should be utilized and in the case where it is not a “productive” asset disposed of.
In such a system it is not only the right of the State, but its duty, to make sure that it does not invest in non-productive assets. This easily justifies policies of eugenics, enslavement, confiscation and social control. This is not a “political” necessity, but an economic obligation.
Human propensities not required by the State (say the desire to smoke, or the desire to decide how to raise children, or even the desire to have children or worship a certain god) are not tolerated, and those that support the State (militarism, wokeness) are encouraged.
Its all very scary and it is a pattern that repeats itself in societies over and over and over again.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
2 years ago
Reply to  Karlmarx
Ownership is a matter of control. The state controls, which is as good as ownership..
Wikipedia defines Fascism: “…Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian,
ultra-nationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a
dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible
suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy,…”
Global Fascism is a far-left, authoritarian,
ultra-globalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a
dictatorial leadership, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible
suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy….
MiTurn
MiTurn
2 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
You lose credibility citing Wikipedia. Talk about disinformation, e.g., they list Robert F. Kenney Jr as a conspiracy theorist.
Wikipedia is part of the information problem.
whirlaway
whirlaway
2 years ago
Reply to  MiTurn
Yes, Wikipedia could be very useful if you want to get info on calculus or astronomy or dog breeds etc. etc. etc. Not for info or even definitions, about geopolitical topics.
Karlmarx
Karlmarx
2 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
Those of us who actually studied stuff pre-internet had to spend time in libraries reading source material, not being spoon fed stuff by some unknown faceless entity.
If people spent more time reading stuff like Wealth of Nations, The Elements of Statecraft, Rules for Radicals etc. they might actually learn something about how and why the economy is behaving the way it is.
But alas, reading is no longer important,
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
2 years ago
Reply to  MiTurn
Fyi finding an unbiased source is just about impossible nowadays. Using Wikipedia does not invalidate my point when I highlight the issue of bias. The rest of the definition is fair, Imho
Karlmarx
Karlmarx
2 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Fascism is neither left or right. Fascism is not a political system but a form of economic and social organization just like capitalism or feudalism.
While there are antecedents to the concept, it is based on the idea of “corporatism” which was proposed by the Austrian economist and philosopher Adam Muller in his treatise The Elements of Statecraft. This was written in the early 1800s as a rebuttal of classical economic theory as proposed by Adam Smith, David Ricardo, etc. and harkened back to the ancien regime.
Under corporatism, society is organized into jurisdictional “corporations” which are essentially the industrial versions of trades or estates in feudal societies. Both workers and employers (labor and capital) are components of the “corporation” which serves as an organ of The State.
Unfortunately, since economists don’t study economics anymore there is a lot of confusion about how different economic systems operate. However, if you ever read Saul Alinsky (as all good Progressives do) you would find that his ideas were all based around the principles of corporatism (or in other words Fascism).
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
2 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Woke Global Fascism requires everyone to believe as many as six impossible things before breakfast.
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  Karlmarx
Freedom and population density are inversely promotional, whether curtailed by law or manners. It doesn’t matter what ideology is ascendant in that context. People are shrieking about what other people think, while the real problem is that there enough people being made that their resource requirements drive down the standard of living for the rest.
jiminy
jiminy
2 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
When the quantity goes up the quality goes down.
Jack
Jack
2 years ago
Reply to  Karlmarx
Fascism is an extreme right ideology. It is a government led by a dictator, suppresses opposition and criticism, promotes nationalist policies, is hierarchical, and rejects democracy and liberalism.
Fascism is surprisingly similar to communism, which promotes economic equality and a classless society.
MikeC711
MikeC711
2 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
The good news is that both Obama and Biden have said that unsustainable union retirements will be covered by the taxpayers. So those of us with Chevette retirements get to take some of that money to pay off those with Corvette retirements.
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
The French are upset at having to work past 62, while in the U.S Congress they cling to their chamber seat as if it was their personal property.
Karlmarx
Karlmarx
2 years ago
Protesting is the national sport in France. If it were not about pensions it would be about something else
blacklisted
blacklisted
2 years ago
Reply to  Karlmarx
You sound like there’s nothing to protest against. We have the same corruption and debt issues, yet people pretend it could never happen here. It’s not only about pensions, which have been destroyed everywhere because of ZIRP. It’s mostly young people protesting, who don’t care about the pension issue. Macron has made it a crime to even criticize him, and I’m sure Trudeau, Biden and the rest of of the mother WEFers will soon do the same. At least they get up off their asses.
denker
denker
2 years ago
Macron deserves all the brickbats. Just threw Taiwan to the CCP wolves to ingratiate himself with Xi. Basically said Taiwan is the US’s problem. The Taipeh Times asks “What happened to liberté, egalité, fraternité‘ ?“ Good question. Ask the emperor in the Elysee palace.
whirlaway
whirlaway
2 years ago
Reply to  denker
Macron has been allowed by his US masters to bark a little so he can earn a little bit of credibility in the face of the riots in France. Most of these European countries will get screwed by the Ukraine disaster. In a few years, the US will dump the Ukraine mess on Western Europe and walk away as if nothing happened!
Mike33
Mike33
2 years ago
Since the US government has spent upwards of $1,000,000,000,000 bailing out our TBTF banks because the government let them get TBTF in the first place, various hedge funds, AIG, and even foreign banks, instead of giving SS beneficiaries a 20% haircut why don’t we just take a 20% haircut from the profits of all of the aforementioned companies each year until that $1,000,000,000,000 has been repaid? And while we are at it, remove all caps on SS payroll deductions so for example, if Jamie Dimond makes $40,000,000 in 2023 he and JPM pay the full 14.65% on all $40,000,000. This won’t solve the SS shortfall but it will certainly solve the SS payroll deduction fairness issue.
KidHorn
KidHorn
2 years ago
Reply to  Mike33
How did the US gov’t spend the money bailing out the banks?
Mike33
Mike33
2 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
TARP plus all of the other programs from Treasury and the Fed to keep the banks solvent. Not to mention the $140B to AIG so AIG could pay off all of their counterparties which again…were the banks. And then we come to ZIRP and QE 1-3 for 11 years that both fed the banks all the money they wanted at 0 to .25% plus paying the banks 2 to 2.5% on their excess reserves at the FED. That’s how. It’s all taxpayer’s money.
Webej
Webej
2 years ago
It is not only the substance of the decision.
It is the manner in which this came about.
Some decisions have to percolate through various layers of society before people are ready to face facts.
It’s like telling your 14 year old he has to do the dishes NOW. Better to discuss in advance, ask him if he thinks it’s fair to contribute, and set a schedule together. In the end it may amount to the same thing, but that does not make it the same.
8dots
8dots
2 years ago
Reply to  Webej
Raising the retirement age was Macron election promise. Hennessy cognac for Macron.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
2 years ago
Reply to  Webej
Allow to percolate… Then, give your 14 y-o five lashes. Allow to percolate. Give him ten the second time. Problem fixed.
Alternatively, if he/she brings home straight As, wins the science fair, helps the neighbors, cut him/her some slack.
8dots
8dots
2 years ago
If the unions cont to strike Macron should hit them with another 2 years. If he caves in he will become a Trump.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  8dots
Macron announces: “For every month you keep rioting, the retirement age increases by 3 months”. That should solve the problem!
Otherwise known as “the beatings will continue until morale improves” approach.
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
They’d Benito him.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
2 years ago
Reply to  8dots
Now, you sound like moi.
How to reduce the Fed deficit.
Cut each Federal Govt department budget by 5% with the proviso that if effectiveness goes down, the next cut is 10%. Continue to cut by 10% until efficiency returns to pre-cut level, or the department is eliminated.
Galfer1
Galfer1
2 years ago
Until there is a resurgence of personal responsibility coupled with a modus operandi of “entitled” replaced by “earn,” our disastrous fiscal health will continue to deteriorate.
vinecutter
vinecutter
2 years ago
“Despotic governments can stand ‘moral force’ till the cows come
home; what they fear is physical force.”
George Orwell
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
2 years ago
Had a friend of mine who used to be an air traffic controller until Reagan. He said they weren’t striking for money. They didn’t want some simpleton ATC setup the government wanted to use as it was unsafe. But, go Reagan! And now your skies are less safe.
I also don’t see globalism dying, or people waking up. Everything still headed the same direction. And the slaves still let the state tell them what they’re upset about.
strataland
strataland
2 years ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
Nope. Despite the recent near misses, it is safer to fly today than at any time in history.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
2 years ago
Reply to  strataland
And, despite your claim of safer, the setup is still inferior in safety.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
2 years ago
Reply to  strataland
I see you’re the hit and run type of idiot. Just thought I’d drop by and ask if you think the revolution in avionics may have had a hand in increasing safety? Or do you even know what avionics are? I’d also like to see the data you used to make such an assertation. I lived on an airport for about 4 years once, and I know they’re not nearly as safe as the average idiot believes they are. Please enlighten us with your brilliance. Or were you just pulling your data out of your rear? Where you normally keep your head. Stupid people’s answers always tick me off, so I came back to poke you with a stick. Poke, poke, poke.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
2 years ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
Adjusting for air miles traveled per year, are there more crashes, or fewer crashes now or pre-Reagan?
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
2 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
There are improvements in airplane and landing technology, so this is a red herring.
The airplanes could probably land with autopilot baring unusual conditions.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
2 years ago
The airplane can land, travel the taxiways, pull up to the gate, and throttle down.
All by autopilot and automation.
This was done only to prove a point and is not done in regular practice.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
2 years ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
Au contraire, de-globalization is gathering pace due actions of Biden and his band of neocons.
Columbo
Columbo
2 years ago
Wait until Illinois comes running to the U.S. Government to bailout those promised pensions. Just say no! If you create it, you can fix it on your own. Sadly, I am thinking Uncle sugar daddy Sam is going to be complicit in this.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
2 years ago
Reply to  Columbo
I have a feeling that will be the straw that splits the camels (countries) back and may lead to a 2nd civil war as states decided to cede over that issue.
Illinois has some options it can play like implementing a special tax on pensioners who aren’t living in Illinois. That means those who tried to flee to say Florida and collect Illinois money would get a special tax on their pensions vs those who stay and continue to feed the machine.
KidHorn
KidHorn
2 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Every state has pension issues. As long as they all get bailed, everyone will be fine with it. The problem is going to be if the gov’t bails, it will hurt USD, so the retirees will get their benefits, but won’t be able to buy as much with it.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
2 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
I don’t believe so because some pensions promise a lot more than others. So what’s to stop state X from suddenly promising 2x as much benefits since the Feds (ie other states) will be paying for it.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
2 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
The state’s power to compel ends at its border. They would need to extradite past residents.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
2 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Not true. You can just tax the pension payout directly before it ever gets to them in the same manner than regular payroll taxes are taken out before you ever get any money in your bank account.
Jack
Jack
2 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Agree. Probably not be called a tax. It will be called something else.
Everyone could get a payment haircut, however residents could get a premium extra payment equal to the haircut to make them whole.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
2 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
AKA withholding.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
2 years ago
Reply to  Columbo
Those ‘promised pensions’ are contractual, not to the Federal government, unless they were Federal employees. Those pension contracts were reasonably relied upon, and binding. The state chose to continue the contracts. Privity of contract restricts claims outside the state. Sell off the state assets, increase state taxes, declare bankruptcy…
ColoradoAccountant
ColoradoAccountant
2 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
There is no bankruptcy chapter for States. Chapter 9 is local governments only. The States are soverign so they are not covered.
Bhakta
Bhakta
2 years ago
The buy votes by giving away free money and other goodies, cannot last. This is a world of work. Nothing is free. Everyone must work according to their ability. The problem is the system now is machines do the work, leaving billions in a hopeless situation. My spiritual master suggested that the tractor is the worst invention in history because it has destroyed the village agricultural life. We live on food, not money. But hardly anyone considers this.
KidHorn
KidHorn
2 years ago
My wife had relatives in France. The parents retired early, so I had to help pay for their kids college education. Not sure they understand when it’s OK to retire.
Cocoa
Cocoa
2 years ago
“Aprés moi, le deluge” Louis XV
“Maintenant, Macron, le deluge arrive!”
Toutatis
Toutatis
2 years ago
I don’t see that the protests are more “enormous” than in the last weeks.
There are a lot of protests against this side topic, but nothing happened against much more things: the liquidation of our industries and of our nuclear energy system.
A parliamentary commission of inquiry has just delivered its conclusions on nuclear energy: a devastating sabotage, which will have consequences for decades, caused by minor electoral agreements concluded by previous socialist governments with the ecological minority. It’s simple, however: without industries and with half-destroyed energy production, we will have reduced pensions, whether at 62 or 64.
Cocoa
Cocoa
2 years ago
Its not like 64 is a big difference BUT if you are moving goalposts, you need to do it for newer employees. If you are 61 you are going to be royally ticked off and thats unfair. If you suggest the PATCO solution, thats no small union like PATCO(Reagan picked PATCO because it’s small) it’s everyone in a public union and the country would descend MORE into chaos. New employees should get new rules,pension maturation dates. Maybe work back to employees that are 40 years old or younger. Plus the riots are not just pension issues. It’s corruption in Paris, the super rich getting richer, the country ripping off the poorer classes and of course, dirtbag operations like Blackrock
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
2 years ago
Reply to  Cocoa
It’s planned to be phased in over a few years. Something like 6 months a year type thing so if you are 61 you might have to work till 62 1/2 and if you are 58 you’ll be working till 64.
Remember they can still retire at 62, they just can’t start collecting till 64. So if you have saved money and lived in your means you may still be able to retire at 62 and wait 2 years to collect your pension.
Dr Funkenstein
Dr Funkenstein
2 years ago

France has enough money to help the neo Nazis in the Ukraine against the commie Russians but not pay its own citizens. Life in the 21st century where all governments are enemies of their people.

Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
2 years ago
Reply to  Dr Funkenstein
“The number of economic illiterates on Twitter in support of these riots is stunning. People are living longer than ever with fewer workers paying into pension plans and in the US into Social Security.”
Perception is reality. The bankrupt west has hundreds of billions to support a corrupt nazi Ukraine regime, how is there not enough money to retire at 62 or for US social security? The final figure is yet to be determined, will it exceed the trillion spent on Afghanistan? The Bidens arent hurting, theyve made millions off Ukraine.
Bhakta
Bhakta
2 years ago
Reply to  Dr Funkenstein
You got it! Governments ARE the worst enemies of the people, and this is true across the planet.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
2 years ago
Reply to  Dr Funkenstein
Government has always been the enemy of the people.
babelthuap
babelthuap
2 years ago
Not enough money to support this lifestyle. Pouting about it won’t change it. Neither will supporting needy immigrants and costly energy stances. Can’t have it both ways. Sovereign democracy or liberal social one. Pick one. Flailing around in the street about it refusing to choose will result in someone choosing for you which is what Macron did.
Bam_Man
Bam_Man
2 years ago
Qu’ils mangent de la brioche.”
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  Bam_Man
I read somewhere in the past that the word cake in this usage actually meant bread, which sounds less elitist. Can any of the French speakers here confirm this?
Siliconguy
Siliconguy
2 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
I read the problem was a crop failure. There was a shortage of bread which at that place and time was mostly made with rye. Cakes were made with wheat.
Supposedly she was thinking if there is a shortage of rye then use wheat instead, not understanding that that the wheat crop had also failed. Wheat also cost more which was also an issue for the peasants.
M. A. was not a bad person, but she was remarkably oblivious.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
2 years ago
Reply to  Siliconguy
It appears that a high percentage the ruling classes everywhere and at all times are oblivious.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
2 years ago
Reply to  Bam_Man
This is factually problematic, when attributed to Marie Antoinette. The statement was cited by Jean Rousseau in Book Six, written 1762, and published in 1782, referring to a ‘great princess’. Marie A was six at the time.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
2 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Obviously a very precocious six-year old.
Jack
Jack
2 years ago
Reply to  Bam_Man
I wonder who leaked MA’s statement to the press?

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