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French Budget Deficit Explodes Into a Major Debt Crisis and Riots

The welfare state in France is coming unglued. An EU-wide crisis is coming.

An Autumn of Discontent Grips France

The New York Times reports Strikes, Barricades and Fiscal Turmoil: An Autumn of Discontent Grips France

France suddenly finds itself engulfed by crisis — not a single spasm of unrest, but a cascade of disruption that is roiling city streets, trading floors and public offices across the country. France’s “rentrée,” or “return,” as the French call the back-to-school and back-to-work season, has been anything but orderly.

While the causes of the chaos may appear disparate, they can be traced to a common root: France’s two-decade-long struggle to fund its state, now exacerbated by high borrowing costs, surging fuel prices and political uncertainty, with jockeying underway to replace President Emmanuel Macron next spring.

French public finances, already fragile, continue to deteriorate, fanning fears in financial markets that France could be the next European country to tumble into a full-blown financial crisis. The fiscal jitters were amplified by recent polls that show the far-right candidate, Marine Le Pen, would beat all her rivals in presidential elections that will be held next spring.

On Tuesday, teachers and other public workers rallied against proposed wage freezes as the government labors to pass a budget. They joined thousands of students who have blockaded schools to protest underfunding that has led to crumbling facilities and a shortage of teachers.

With images of young protesters clashing with the police amid clouds of tear gas, the student protests have become the most vivid manifestation of France’s unrest and grievances. Hundreds of schools around the country have closed, dozens have been damaged, and many people have been arrested or injured.

The street clashes have rattled financial markets that were already nervous. Traders kept the yield on 10-year French bonds near 5 percent on Monday, one of the highest levels of any European Union member and a sign that investors lack confidence in the lame-duck government’s ability to manage its mushrooming challenges.

“In France, we say ‘fin de règne,’” meaning the end of Mr. Macron’s decade-long reign over French politics, said Jean-Yves Camus, a political scientist at the Jean Jaurès Foundation, a left-leaning think tank in Paris. “The regime is at the end of its term and does not seem to have a plan for the next seven months.”

With rates on French government bonds spiking, the cost of servicing that debt is projected to increase to roughly $100 billion in 2027.

On top of that, France faces higher health care and pension costs because of its aging population, as well as increased military spending driven by the war in Ukraine and the disengagement of the United States.

To pay for all that, and keep France’s budget deficit from exploding, Prime Minister Sébastien Lecornu proposes to raise some taxes and freeze spending on social programs like housing aid and family allowances. 

To do that, however, the government will have to rely on Ms. Le Pen’s party, the National Rally, not to torpedo the legislation. It has 118 of the 577 seats in the National Assembly, the most of any party. Some analysts expect Ms. Le Pen to order her lawmakers to abstain and allow the budget to pass, if only to protect herself from facing fiscal chaos if she wins the presidential election in April.

While some analysts said they expected Ms. Le Pen to try to reassure bond markets about France’s deficit, they predicted she would continue to be implacably hostile to the European Union. If she were elected, they said, it would raise hard questions about France’s future contribution to the E.U.’s budget.

Magic Money Turns Into Debt Bomb

The Wall Street Journal reports France’s Appetite for ‘Magic Money’ Has Turned Into a Debt Bomb

France is on the precipice of a dangerous financial spiral.

The global surge in interest rates has exposed the country, once considered an oasis of relative stability in Europe’s financial markets, as one of the continent’s weakest links. France now pays more to borrow than former crisis hot spots like Greece and Italy. Its government is running a budget deficit surpassed only by the United States among its peers.

Last week, a slow-burning selloff in France’s government bond market took an alarming turn as it spread across the continent, reviving memories of the eurozone debt crisis last decade. France’s 10-year borrowing cost has risen toward 5%, the highest level since 2002.

Investors are bracing for things to get worse. The rise in rates is saddling the government with higher costs just as it needs to refinance a mountain of debt borrowed during the era of ultralow interest rates. France has more than $1 trillion in debt coming due by 2030, and next year is set to sell a record of about $380 billion in debt into a market where once-reliable sources of demand have evaporated.

The cost of servicing France’s debt is expected to climb 59% by 2030, according to a recent study commissioned by the French finance ministry. Debt payments are now one of the French government’s largest line items and could dwarf military spending by the end of the decade. France’s debt, now worth nearly 120% of gross domestic product, risks putting the economy in what its central-bank chief recently called a “gradual stranglehold.”

The selloff is fueled by concerns that France has become so ungovernable that its political system can no longer take corrective action. In recent years, lawmakers in the fractious National Assembly have ousted one prime minister after another who attempted to restore fiscal order with spending cuts. With presidential elections approaching in the spring, leading candidates to replace President Emmanuel Macron, who is term limited, are showering voters with promises to expand government spending.

Marine Le Pen, the far-right candidate who is leading in the polls, has vowed to push France’s age of retirement as low as 60 years old, a measure she says would cost the state an extra 9 billion euros (about $10.1 billion) a year.

Her closest rival in the polls, far-left leader Jean-Luc Mélenchon, wants the European Central Bank to freeze or wipe away the French bond holdings of the Bank of France, a sum worth 488 billion euros.

“Throw it in the fire,” Mélenchon quipped.

The National Assembly was now divided between three blocs—Le Pen’s, Macron allies and a rowdy leftist coalition including Mélenchon—that promised gridlock.

France’s debt level could reach 200% by 2050 if it doesn’t cut spending, the OECD recently estimated.

Thozet, of Carmignac, points to a simple equation that underscores France’s increasingly impossible debt math. In a reversal from the low-rates era, the interest rate on France’s total stock of debt is expected to surpass its level of economic growth in the coming years, guaranteeing the debt load will continue rising without drastic spending cuts.

Much Worse Than It Looks

Neither of the above articles mentioned EU budget rules.

But it’s EU budget rules that turns this mess into a potential Eurozone crises instead of a French political crisis.

European Union’s Stability and Growth Pact (SGP)

  • First set by the 1992 Maastricht Treaty, this rule mandates that no EU member state should run an annual government budget deficit that exceeds 3% of its Gross Domestic Product (GDP).
  • It is paired with a secondary rule stating that a nation’s total public debt should not exceed 60% of its GDP

I have been writing about this for years, just not recently, so let’s recap.

In 2024, unable to get a budget passed, French President Emmanuel Macron called snap elections to dissolve parliament, not dissolve the presidency.

Debt Brakes and Treaty Requirements

On June 9, 2024, I commented Marine Le Pen Set for Record Win, Macron Calls Snap French Election

Act of Trust or Act of Desperation?

Macron called for French parliament elections only, not presidential elections.

I fail to see how this does anything but aid Le Pen in the upcoming parliamentary election.

However, if Macron is clobbered, Jordan Bardella, the leader of Rassemblement National (RN, National Rally, Marine Le Pen’s party), may emerge as Prime Minister.

No one wants to take the blame for the impending crash.

Long Term Fiscal Issues

In addition to the Excessive Debt Proceedings against many countries, every EU county has defense spending issues, climate spending issues, and demographic issues

Hoot of the Day

To achieve a government debt-to-GDP ratio of 60 percent, EU countries will have to reduce spending or raise taxes by 2 percent of GDP, on average, every year for 46 years.

Please see Debt Brakes and Treaty Requirements About to Smash the EU for details.

The problem is not fixable. So, if Le Pen wants to be the next French President, the National Rally should not want to be in power when fiscal hell breaks loose.

President Macron’s Party Blown Out in First Round of French Parliament Elections

On June 30, 2024 I commented President Macron’s Party Blown Out in First Round of French Parliament Elections

There are 577 seats in the National Assembly. It’s possible National Rally pulls off an outright majority.

Given Marine Le Pen’s priority is to become the next president of France, National Rally will be in a better position if it falls short and Jordan Bardella is not the next prime minister.

Be Careful of What You Wish

If National Rally achieves an outright majority, Jordan Bardella will emerge as Prime Minister.

Then what? The EU will immediately enforce debt and deficit rules it let France ignore for decades.

Fortunately (for Le Pen), the Left and Center-Right conspired to keep Jordan Bardella from becoming Prime Minister.

That set the stage for Le Pen to win now.

France Becomes Ungovernable

On July 7, 2024, I noted France is Now Ungovernable Following a Pyrrhic Victory for the Left-Green Alliance

I did not expect National Rally to win a majority, but nor did I expect a third place finish.

What Happened?

The short answer is the center and left colluded to stop the right, as normally happens.

The long answer is France has a two-stage election where any party that gets 12.5 percent of the vote makes it to round two unless someone wins an outright majority in round one.

As typical in France, all but the lead or second place party drop out of the election so the Right faces a single opposition candidate.

Success for Macron?

This was no victory for Macron who called snap elections. Macron’s Ensemble coalition currently has 249 members of the National Assembly.

After this “win” Ensemble will have 150-170 seats.

Macron will come to regret the elections.

Pyrrhic Win

The Left and Center-Right kept Bardella (Le Pen’s party candidate) from taking over the Prime Minister’s spot. And the Prime Minister is responsible for the budget.

Congratulations?!

France has had seven prime ministers under President Emmanuel Macron.

  1. Édouard Philippe (May 2017 – July 2020)
  2. Jean Castex (July 2020 – April 2022)
  3. Élisabeth Borne (May 2022 – January 2024)
  4. Gabriel Attal (January 2024 – September 2024)
  5. Michel Barnier (September 2024 – December 2024)
  6. François Bayrou (December 2024 – September 2025)
  7. Sébastien Lecornu (September 2025 – Present)

Bardella would have imploded as did the above seven.

Polymarket French Election Odds October 2026

The center is dead and the center-right won’t exactly cheer far-left leader Jean-Luc Mélenchon’s call for the ECB wipe away the French bond holdings of the Bank of France, a sum worth 488 billion euros.

The most likely outcome is Le Pen will get her long wish to be president.

Then what? Le Pen and Mélenchon both want more social spending.

How’s that supposed to work?

In contrast, Édouard Philippe, the center-right leader of the Horizons party and former French Prime Minister under Emmanuel Macron, has built his fiscal and economic platform for the 2027 presidential election around a staunchly pro-business, supply-side economic model.

Philippe centers his strategy on tackling France’s ballooning public finances. He positions himself as a fiscally responsible alternative to both the high-tax left-wing coalition and Marine Le Pen, whom he recently criticized as being “spectacularly flippant” with national accounts.

Let’s compare the positions.

Le Pen’s Approach to National Debt

  • Pensions: Le Pen maintains her flagship promise to lower the retirement age back to 62 (and down to 60 for those who began working early). While independent think-tanks like the Institut Montaigne project this will cost up to €34.7 billion annually, Le Pen claims she will save €15–20 billion within the pension system by cutting “inefficient and unfair” rules and introducing private funded components,
  • Her plan prioritizes cost-of-living relief by slashing Value Added Taxes (VAT) on energy and essential goods.
  • Targeting Migration Costs: Le Pen plans to save €15 billion in her first year (and up to €29 billion annually later) by instituting a “national preference” policy that denies welfare benefits, social housing, and state medical aid to non-citizens.
  • Slashing EU Contributions: The shadow budget slashes France’s net annual contribution to the European Union budget down to a flat €5 billion, a massive reduction from the near-€29 billion initially projected for 2026.
  • Eliminating State Agencies: Le Pen aims to absorb tens of billions in costs by eliminating “almost all” state agencies, independent public bodies, and overlapping administrative bureaucracies.
  • Ending Green Subsidies: The party intends to completely dissolve state subsidies for wind and solar power projects, labeling them as net financial losses.
  • Replacing the Real Estate Wealth Tax: She aims to replace France’s current real estate wealth tax with a 30% financial wealth tax, but explicitly excludes business owners’ holdings in their own companies to retain corporate confidence.

Mélenchon’s Radical Approach to National Debt

  • “Burn” the Central Bank Debt: Mélenchon sparked a major economic debate by proposing that France cancel the roughly 18% of its public debt (amounting to roughly €600 billion) held by the national central bank (Banque de France), effectively calling to “throw it into the fire”.
  • The Rationale: He argues that removing this chunk of debt from the books would immediately lower France’s public debt-to-GDP ratio, creating massive fiscal space for public spending and infrastructure investments
  • He advocates for restructuring income taxes into a highly progressive 14-band system. Under his platform, any annual salary exceeding €400,000 would face a 90% marginal tax rate
  • Pensions: He strongly opposes Emmanuel Macron’s pension reforms and pledges to lower the retirement age back down to 60.
  • Wages & Social Programs: He supports a mandatory hike in the minimum wage, a real-wage increase for civil servants, and heavily expanding funding for public services like health, education, and green transition projects.

Édouard Philippe’s Approach to National Debt

  • Targeting Social Expenditure: Unlike the left, which seeks to expand the state apparatus, Philippe plans to restore fiscal discipline primarily by aggressively slashing public and social spending.
  • Reforming Sick Leave: He plans to severely tighten the conditions for paid sick leave—the cost of which rose nearly 40% between 2019 and 2025—by increasing the mandatory unpaid waiting periods for short-term leave
  • Capping Unemployment Benefits: Drawing direct inspiration from the German model, Philippe proposes to slash the maximum duration of unemployment benefits for workers under the age of 50 to 12 months, down from the current 18 months.
  • He supports keeping or raising the retirement age, strongly opposing Le Pen and Mélenchon’s plans to lower it, arguing that demographic realities require more aggregate hours worked to finance the pension system.
  • The €50B Cut: He has proposed eliminating €50 billion in production taxes on businesses to simulate entrepreneurship and job creation.

Le Pen’s Stance on the Schengen Agreement

  • Policy Evolution: While she previously called for an outright and immediate withdrawal from the Schengen Area, her platform has at times emphasized renegotiating the treaty or implementing a “double border” system of national checks, though experts note that unilateral implementation would conflict with existing EU legal frameworks.
  • Ending Free Movement: According to analysis by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, Marine Le Pen has characterized the Schengen zone as a security vulnerability that allows terrorists, criminals, and unauthorized migrants to move freely across Europe.
  • Reinstating Borders: She has pledged to re-establish permanent national border and customs controls for people and goods entering France from other EU member states, diverging from the treaty’s core open-border framework.

Three-Way Comparison Synopsis

Policy CategoryJean-Luc Mélenchon (Hard-Left / LFI)Marine Le Pen (Far-Right / RN)Édouard Philippe (Center-Right / Horizons)
Core Economic PhilosophyHigh-spend, high-tax demand-side model centered on wealth redistribution and public sector growth.Economic nationalism and fiscal consolidation balanced by targeted social spending for citizens.Pro-business, supply-side model focused on corporate competitiveness and strict spending cuts.
Deficit & Debt StrategyDisregards traditional deficit limits; proposes canceling €600 billion in public debt held by the Banque de France.Aims for €140 billion in savings by 2032; seeks a deficit below 3% of GDP by 2030 via a constitutional “golden rule.”Strict fiscal discipline to rein in soaring public debt; views France as “dancing on a volcano.”
Taxation PlatformRestructures income tax to a 14-band system with a 90% marginal rate over €400k; taxes “super-profits” and expands the wealth tax.Replaces the real estate wealth tax with a 30% financial wealth tax (exempting business assets); slashes VAT on energy.Swaps €50 billion in production taxes for €50 billion in subsidy cuts; raises tax-free inheritance and donation ceilings.
Schengen & Border PolicyAdvocates a doctrine of “disobedience” to renegotiate EU treaties; supports open borders and migrant rights.Re-establishes permanent national border and customs controls; proposes a “double border” system.Supports existing European frameworks while maintaining center-right security and labor policies.
Retirement AgePledges to lower the retirement age to 60.Pledges to lower the retirement age to 62 (and 60 for early career entries).Supports keeping or raising the retirement age to boost aggregate hours worked.
Labor & Welfare ReformsIncreases the minimum wage, raises civil servant pay, and regularizes undocumented workers.Institutes a “national preference” policy saving €15–29B annually by denying welfare and social housing to non-citizens.Cuts maximum unemployment benefits to 12 months for under-50s; tightens paid sick leave rules to curb costs.

The Problem

Not a single one of those platforms has A) a snowball’s chance in hell of passing B) reducing the deficit to 3.0 percent from 5.4 percent C) Reducing long-term debt to 60 percent of GDP.

No matter who wins there will be a budget crisis.

The Broken Starting Point (The Arithmetic Problem)

To understand why these plans face such steep odds, it helps to look at the baseline numbers France is dealing with:

  • The Deficit Reality: The current government recently acknowledged that the 2026 deficit will hit 5.4% of GDP. Even with Prime Minister Sébastien Lecornu’s proposed €54 billion austerity drive in the 2027 budget, the government only expects to shave the deficit down to 5.0%.
  • The Debt Trap: Total public debt is officially projected to hit 119.3% of GDP in 2026 and climb to 121.7% in 2027.

To get from ~122% down to the EU-mandated 60% would require halving the national debt.

No European economy in modern history has achieved a fiscal contraction of that magnitude without decades of severe, politically impossible primary budget surpluses or massive inflation.

French politics will be very interesting in 2027. Greece was a cake walk compared to this mess.












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TEF
TEF
17 days ago

More on the global equity canary, the French CAC. The CAC today (8 Oct) touched on its 16 March 2020 to 7 April 2025 trendline. It will break that trendline on 9,12, and perhaps 13 Oct completing a 38-39 day 6/14/12/7 of 9 -10 day y/2-2.5y/2y/1.5-1.6y 4 phase fractal series, the 2nd fractal of a 29 July 2026 17/39/34-35 day series : y/2-2.5y/2-2.5y 3 phase crash decay series with a global equity initial crash low about 30 November 2026

Omega
Omega
17 days ago

It’s good to see people protesting, despite the unrealistic expectations. I doubt we’d see similar protests here in the US even if the whole economy collapsed. Americans have become a nation of dreamers.

In what other country would crap stocks like Telsa and Spacex turn someone into the world’s richest man?That my friends takes a whole lot of imagination.

SleemoG
SleemoG
17 days ago

Can’t they just rape and pillage their African slave populations more? Why was this option omitted from analysis?

si vis pacem, para bellum
si vis pacem, para bellum
17 days ago
Reply to  SleemoG

They have recently been kicked out of their colonies (with a lot of help from the Russians) and the Africans are in France living off French welfare and raping and pillaging the native French. They have been for generations.

SleemoG
SleemoG
17 days ago

Well good for the Africans!

si vis pacem, para bellum
si vis pacem, para bellum
17 days ago
Reply to  SleemoG

Yeah absolutely, until they run out of white people and they turn France into the exact same miserable shithole they come from.
They are already well along.

Last edited 17 days ago by si vis pacem, para bellum
Ron
Ron
17 days ago

I just hope the French people do not increase their racism. There is nothing worse than being racist.

si vis pacem, para bellum
si vis pacem, para bellum
17 days ago
Reply to  Ron

When your homecountry is being invaded by people who are ethnically (forget the “culture” or religion bullshit) totally alien and utterly incompatible with you there is nothing worse than not being racist.

If you want to survive, that is.

Last edited 17 days ago by si vis pacem, para bellum
si vis pacem, para bellum
si vis pacem, para bellum
18 days ago

The usual clueless analysis and commentary from those whose only source of information is Western MSM…
The current riots in France have NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with budgets or deficits, they are nothing else and nothing more than the usual good old “return to school” riots of France’s established tradition.
They don’t even have anything to do with schools (which they are burning) or lack of teachers (whom they are violently assaulting), those are just this year’s nominal excuse.

There are actually 2 completely different groups of people rioting: the “anti-France” group (mostly white) and the “non-France” group (2nd, 3th, 4th generations non-white “French”). The first ones are the leftists, they hate France and think that the second group are their “brothers” and allies. The latter ones hate France and native French including the first group (they have been instances of colored protesters attacking white protesters). Needless to say, while the first group is mostly literally protesting, the ones rioting and committing almost all of the violence is the second group.
The political left (Melenchon in particular) supports and encourages both groups.

The reason that this time riots are bigger than average is the same as the one for which the other traditional riots (those at New Year, those when the football team wins or loses etc) are also getting worse: pure demographics. There are more and more Africans, Arabs and the rest of the coloreds who are stll coming in, always coming in, non-stop coming in…

This is what I refer to when I talk about the coming societal implosion of the West. France is in the spotlight because, together with Perfidious Albion, is probably the Western country closest to collapsing and the simmering widespread violence can’t be so easily contained and hidden anymore…

The last true white French (but I am repeating myself) normal sane people you have ever seen protesting were the Yellow Jackets and not by coincidence they were the ones most ruthlessly and violently repressed. I doubt you will see them again.

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you name it
you name it
17 days ago

pretty good summary of what’s going on

Frosty
Frosty
18 days ago

As of 2026 the U.S. debt to GDP sits at 125.8%. France is at 119.3%.
I’m not sure that France is the country with the problem…

Peace
Peace
18 days ago
Reply to  Frosty

The difference is –
US can print its own money but France doesn’t have its own.

DaveFromDenver
DaveFromDenver
17 days ago
Reply to  Peace

How can printing $ fix anything? It only makes the crash come from a higher altitude.

CaptainCaveman
CaptainCaveman
17 days ago
Reply to  DaveFromDenver

Not necessarily. a few years of 10% inflation (from printing) would be annoying as heck, and would ruin many people financially, but there wouldn’t have to be an out-and-out collapse of the entire economy. There would be a political bloodbath though which is the only reason they don’t do it.

Peace
Peace
18 days ago

Democratic country has multiparty system means multidivisional pretending united.
EU has multi-sovereign states with different agenda / interest pretending united.

Starting on 2010-2012 first European financial crisis especially peripheral countries.
Now 2016, European core country which is second largest economy, France in financial crisis.
Weakening Euro compounding the EU problems.

Buddha said NOTHING IS PERMANENT.
I have no doubt EU will collapse and disintegrate finally. Only When?

Peace
Peace
17 days ago
Reply to  Peace

Greece experienced an economic recession from 2008 through 2016 and endured severe EU/IMF-mandated austerity measures across three bailout programs.
The Greek recession was one of the most severe economic contractions in modern history
So, what’s about France?
Will they accept austerity measures?
Will French people accept deep recession with scarce welfare?
According to French history, France has been bully people around the world for centuries. Now France can do only is bully its own people.
The massive nationwide demonstrations against raising the pension age entitlement (from age 62 to 64 – 2 years) in France primarily took place in 2023.
Now demonstration against poor school condition.

Good luck!

Donny
Donny
18 days ago

You didn’t mention the rioters are almost all Africans.

Phil in CT
Phil in CT
18 days ago
Reply to  Donny

Because it’s not true?

Anyway the decay of the school system is far worse in the urban centers than in the more rural areas, so it’s going to be a cosmopolitan crowd and not pasty Jacques riding mules.

Jon
Jon
18 days ago
Reply to  Donny

Hey f-wad that is patently false

Donny
Donny
17 days ago
Reply to  Jon

Look at the videos.

Phil in CT
Phil in CT
17 days ago
Reply to  Donny

We did look at videos, you’re lying, maybe because you’re racist and every brown-skinned face leaps out at you like a threat.

Peace
Peace
17 days ago
Reply to  Donny

Of course, Trump said.

“What’s happening in France is nothing less than out of control mass migration. This isn’t about schools, this is about Islam wanting to take over a once great Country!” 
Politico +1

Sorry, he is so obsessed with migration and muslim.

Last edited 17 days ago by Peace
most of you voted for the uniparty all your lives
most of you voted for the uniparty all your lives
18 days ago

Waaay too many serious comments so far.

“I find your lack of snark disturbing.”

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
18 days ago

Indeed… what do we care for the travails of a bunch of cheese sniffing rifle droppers?

Quatloo
Quatloo
17 days ago
Reply to  El Trumpedo

If the schools are closed, how will they learn how to make those white flags that are always in so much demand?

Peppe
Peppe
18 days ago

The cost of Eu/Nato war on Russia is coming home to roost. The EU is on the cusp of destroying it’self. The Ukranian money pit will soon dry up.

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
18 days ago
Reply to  Peppe

No, as long as the political class can feast , they’ll freeze or starve europeans before giving up on The War On Russia.

Frosty
Frosty
18 days ago
Reply to  Feral Finster

Ouch!

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
17 days ago
Reply to  Frosty

At least one german politician said as much.

When an elected politician tells the voting public point blank to their faces that she does not care about them, her priority is Ukraine, I suggest you believe them.

I’m back robbyrob
I’m back robbyrob
18 days ago

speaking of deficits: The US trade deficit hits its widest point in 17 months, despite Trump’s tariffs that the president claims are intended to shrink that gap.

https://www.reuters.com/business/us-trade-deficit-widens-august-amid-strong-imports-2026-10-06/

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
18 days ago

The french political class has no priority whatsoever, other than The War On Russia, in hopes that the Americans can be cajoled into fighting for them.

When people of influence and authority want something, will not let any law, public opinion, budgetary constraint, or anything else get in their way, and the french political class want that war.

JohnF
JohnF
18 days ago
Reply to  Feral Finster

“The french political class has no priority whatsoever, other than The War On Russia”

That Would Be All Of NATO/US/Greater Israel.!

The 25 Year ‘War Of Terror’ For ‘Greater Israel’ Land Grab 
(Control Middle East Oil Supply).! (‘Finishing Off – Iran’) 
Gen W. Clark 2001

Million’s Dead – Million’s Injured – Million’s Displaced
Created Worldwide Immigrant Crisis.!

Ukraine Is A NATO Proxy War Against Russia/BRICS Who Turned Against Bush/Cheney Crime Team’s ‘War Of Terror’ “Either Your With Us Or Against Us” In 2009.!

US/NATO/Greater Israel (Bankrupt) Vs BRICS (Resource Rich)

Round 2 – Circle Complete – Iraq WMD – 2001 To Iran
WMD – 2026.!

you name it
you name it
17 days ago
Reply to  JohnF

Anglo-Zionist’s bankers wars as usual the past 200 years. Nothing new.

Bam_Man
Bam_Man
18 days ago

This is what always happens when the socialists begin to run out of other peoples’ money.

Last edited 18 days ago by Bam_Man
JCH1952
JCH1952
18 days ago
Reply to  Bam_Man

The EU is a capitalist entity. If their governments are in trouble, it’s at the feet of their capitalists. There is no significant difference in state ownership of the means of production in the EU than there is in the United States. With Trump borrowing 2.1 trillion in fiscal 2026 and poised to borrow 3.75 trillion in fiscal 2027, (added to the 8.6 trillion he borrowed in his first term,) what on earth are you even talking about?

Panopticum
Panopticum
17 days ago
Reply to  JCH1952

EU is definitely not a “capitalist entity”. And the same applies to us. People confuse capitalism with free enterprise. Functioning free enterprise in China does not make it a capitalist entity.

Augustine
Augustine
18 days ago
Reply to  Bam_Man

The US government will be investing in the startup that I work at and will then become the largest investor. Luckily, when the US do it, it’s not socialism, but the purest capitalism.

Derecho
Derecho
17 days ago
Reply to  Augustine

I love the Orwellian speak from bureaucrats of “public private” partnerships. I guess “government private” or “government corporate” partnerships sound too fascist.

rjd1955
rjd1955
18 days ago

“Let them eat cake” (Jean-Jacques Rousseau….not Marie Antoinette)

Flavia
Flavia
18 days ago

They prob need a 1970’s-style dictator – a Franco or a Tito – to hold the place together.

TEF
TEF
18 days ago

Great Article. The French CAC appears to be the canary for global equity composites, down 10.5% from its 3 August 2026 peak.

peelo
peelo
18 days ago

French retirement age 60-62: what a joke. If LePen is going to enact this kind of subsidy, who or what will pay for it, given her politics, and the bond market constraints?
Rollbacks will come. The question is where, and toward whom? In a zero-sum game, the weakest take the first losses.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
18 days ago
Reply to  peelo

Have you ever tried to find a job at 60?

Derecho
Derecho
17 days ago
Reply to  El Trumpedo

Grandparents have the worst unions.

Democritus
Democritus
18 days ago
Reply to  peelo

67 plus 3 months for me in the Netherlands if not going up… Guess that’s the greatness of the EU, the longer we work here, the less they have to work in France! Yay!

you name it
you name it
17 days ago
Reply to  Democritus

IF you’re still around by then. Simple formula: 80-(number_of_toxic_mRNA-Jabs*3.5)*smoker_nonsmokerfactor (1.0 if no 0.85 if yes)*lucky_penny_y_or_no (1.2 if yes 0.9 if no). You do the math.

Sentient
Sentient
18 days ago

There’s only one way to fix this: Send more money to Zelenskyyy.

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
18 days ago
Reply to  Sentient

As a practical matter, this is precisely what the french political class is thinking.

Hemingway’s words on inflation and war come prominently to mind.

Frosty
Frosty
18 days ago
Reply to  Feral Finster

Let’s not forget that France is also sending troops and air support to Saudi Arabia. Non-combat – – – of course, just like Viet Nam.

Same as it ever was… Talking heads…

DaveFromDenver
DaveFromDenver
17 days ago
Reply to  Sentient

There is no “fix” for bankrupt.

Phil in CT
Phil in CT
18 days ago

Two thoughts:

– Why do they make a big deal out of this: “Traders kept the yield on 10-year French bonds near 5 percent on Monday, one of the highest levels of any European Union member and a sign that investors lack confidence in the lame-duck government’s ability to manage its mushrooming challenges”
– when the yield on us 10-year debt is already worse than that?

– When I first read about the student protests rippling across France, I made the connection to the growing socialist trend among younger adults in the US. What’s happening in France is happening here too, although it will take a different form. Younger generations recognize that the older generations are eating the seed corn.

Frosty
Frosty
18 days ago
Reply to  Phil in CT

Where I live the skilled workers are the older generation. Electricians, plumbers, auto mechanics and almost all skilled labor is nearing retirement. Most of my trade friends and service providers are close to their 60’s.

The lack of practical skills amongst my peers is immense and younger people are literally “All Thumbs”.

tks
tks
18 days ago

Is there a real reporter out there, we hear of schools crumbling BUT has any reporter gone in to see the schools and how many kids are in each class. I have not seen it in the news.

Phil in CT
Phil in CT
18 days ago
Reply to  tks

I was able to dig up a huge amount of information and links on this quickly by using the Google search ai. Try this prompt:
”
I would like to hear actual specifics about the current state of French public schools- articles strong on facts and statistics about the state of the schools specifically- and not political reporting about the protests or other fallout that results
“

Last edited 18 days ago by Phil in CT
Feral Finster
Feral Finster
18 days ago
Reply to  Phil in CT

Fair enough, but remember, you tell me who did the study, and I’ll tell you what results they got.

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
18 days ago
Reply to  tks

French schools are very much a “two-tier” matter.

Excellent schools for the elites groomed from conception to enter Les Grandes Ecoles, what amounts to little better than warehousing for delivery to a deadend job or an underfunded juvvie hall for everyone else.

Last edited 18 days ago by Feral Finster
Albert
Albert
18 days ago

France’s fiscal crisis has been in the works for at least 25 years. As Rudi Dornbusch used to say: “In economics, things take longer to happen than you think they will, and then they happen much faster than you thought they could.” No need for Schadenfreude from US commentators; the US is headed in the same direction.

most of you voted for the uniparty all your lives
most of you voted for the uniparty all your lives
18 days ago
Reply to  Albert

No schadenfreude? Hey, I’m just trying to Nelson Muntz my way out of thinking about our own problems for a day. Cut me some slack, maaaan. 🙂

peelo
peelo
18 days ago

Trump has been selling the promise of being a spectator to others being thrown under the bus for awhile. It makes MAGA feel smart and strong and superior and divinely anointed, its desperate need.
They will accept a fair amount of mistreatment, for that intangible thrill.

Last edited 18 days ago by peelo
El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
18 days ago
Reply to  peelo

And when he chucks them under it, they’ll get back up and sprint to be in front of it again.

Just like every single time before.

most of you voted for the uniparty all your lives
most of you voted for the uniparty all your lives
17 days ago
Reply to  El Trumpedo

A clever visual! 🙂

Maximus Minimus
Maximus Minimus
18 days ago
Reply to  Albert

When your election system depends on unsustainable promises, the outcome is the same everywhere.

SleemoG
SleemoG
17 days ago
Reply to  Albert

A paraphrase of Lenin, who said “There are decades where nothing happens, and weeks where decades happen.”

most of you voted for the uniparty all your lives
most of you voted for the uniparty all your lives
18 days ago

So much of this stems from Sarko the American (raised around Warshington by an apparatchik) rejoining NATO and suborning itself to foreign policy decisions, like cutting itself off from cheap energy and trade.

Lately, Emmanuel is talking with Merz — another puppet — about how to cut off trade with China.

It all stems semiofficially from Obama’s announcement to slowly change Oceania posture toward China from coopetition to aggression. Of course, the planning and NED activity goes back before then too. But “pivot to Asia” was a noteworthy milestone.

Thanks, Dems! /s. 😉

Augustine
Augustine
18 days ago

Goldman Sachs vs. Black Rock: the slaughter… of us the people.

most of you voted for the uniparty all your lives
most of you voted for the uniparty all your lives
18 days ago

I hope to return here in a few hours and read a comment section full of schadenfreude. Don’t disappoint me, people!

most of you voted for the uniparty all your lives
most of you voted for the uniparty all your lives
18 days ago

Ça va chier !

I hope Brigitte says that as she gives Emmanuel another black eye! /s

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Jon
Jon
18 days ago

The US should be so lucky as to have France’s fiscal problems. At least their politicians are willing to discuss solutions to the debt crisis. The US is a failed state.

You name it
You name it
17 days ago
Reply to  Jon

Make that USIS. Same thing.

Six000MileYear
Six000MileYear
18 days ago

Javier Milei is willing to give advice.

Sentient
Sentient
18 days ago
Reply to  Six000MileYear

His advice would be to sell a portion of France to Israelis.

peelo
peelo
18 days ago
Reply to  Sentient

US Treasury bailed him out. Is that part of the circle jerk?

Last edited 18 days ago by peelo
Feral Finster
Feral Finster
18 days ago
Reply to  Sentient

Sell?!?

More like, “give”, as in “i give ass, Master!”

si vis pacem, para bellum
si vis pacem, para bellum
18 days ago
Reply to  Feral Finster

Well Macron actually does.

Jon L
Jon L
18 days ago

Mish, I think you’re overstating the link between the debt crisis and these protests: France has a recurring “rentrée” protest season every September/October, and the current school protests began over age old complaints such as teacher shortages, not a sudden austerity shock.

France spends more on public education than the OECD average — about 4.6% of GDP versus 4.2% — and there hasn’t been some abrupt collapse in education spending that would explain this unrest.

The debt problem is real and may make these grievances harder to resolve, but that is very different from saying the debt crisis caused the riots. Where there is a link is that Melanchon has fanned the flames significantly – further evidence that he is totally unfit to govern.

Frosty
Frosty
18 days ago
Reply to  Jon L

French protests are more like parties than serious protests from what I have seen in person. The news picks up on some rather small, almost staged events like the controlled burning of a few tires while a parade of protesters/strikers follow a route behind flatbeds with music and coolers of wine and food. When they get there there are bands and the atmosphere is quite chill.

Of course I was in Marseilles which is a tourist area and I possibly only saw the “Tourist Version” of the unrest???

Regarding the school protests where adolescent kids are involved? That can get out of hand anywhere on earth!

Jon L
Jon L
18 days ago
Reply to  Frosty

We’ve been living in France for almost 25 years and something like this happens reliably every year. People go on holiday, come back to work and then find an excuse to stop working again.

Usually nobody know what the protest is about but vigorously defends the action. It gets really tedious. That is why it is tempting but not correct to tie this to the deficit (which is a real huge issue!).

Having said that next October could really kick off as France gets its first extreme government in 100 years.

Sentient
Sentient
18 days ago
Reply to  Jon L

“extreme” lol

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
18 days ago
Reply to  Jon L

The French have perfected the art of slacking.

peelo
peelo
18 days ago
Reply to  Frosty

Maybe only those imported servants outside the welfare state might be modernly inclined to resurrect the venerable French practice of street beheadings?

Rogerroger
Rogerroger
18 days ago
Reply to  Frosty

Young males without jobs leads to bad things.

Shelmas
Shelmas
18 days ago
Reply to  Jon L

I agree. I recall the Gilets Jaunes protests in the Fall of 2018 and all the headlines on that. This is more of France being “France”, the riots aren’t about the debt.

On the list of seven prime ministers, I would agree that all basically “imploded” except for Edouard Philippe. I think he did a reasonable job of being prime minister during a difficult time that included the COVID pandemic. Rather than “imploding”, it seemed to me more of a case of Macron wanting him to be gone (someone had to be blamed for the June 2020 election results, and Philippe had higher approval ratings than Macron, and those baby blue eyes just couldn’t tolerate that!). Of the three listed candidates, he seems like the one who would have the most hope of achieving something.

Jon L
Jon L
17 days ago
Reply to  Shelmas

Yep, here’s hoping, but not looking good now.

rjd1955
rjd1955
18 days ago
Reply to  Jon L

The GDP percentages may be true, but is it possible that the influx of young immigrants may have overwhelmed the school system? Spending per student down? I don’t know….just tossing it out there.

Jon L
Jon L
17 days ago
Reply to  rjd1955

I looked into this. 15% of schoolchildren had an immigrant background in 2012 compared to 16% today. That 2012 figure included my British kids. Spending per student has actually risen. However, one of the complaints is distribution of spending which has not been towards poorer immigrants. So there is no real evidence that immigration has caused this. It is just the French being French.

Webej
Webej
17 days ago
Reply to  Jon L

Can’t be true. Traditional French tribes will become a minority in their own country by 2050, according to demographers.

Statistics like these often include only people (or their parents) who are not citizens. Statistics on ethnic background are often forbidden.

Jon L
Jon L
17 days ago
Reply to  Webej

Sounds like racist nonsense to me. Source?

Webej
Webej
16 days ago
Reply to  Jon L

Heard it on the radio just yesterday

Webej
Webej
17 days ago
Reply to  Jon L

Yes, the relationship between money & social unrest, poverty & criminal predisposition, suicide & poverty, family formation & house prices are easily exaggerated and conclusions rely on intuitive factors or correlated trends. Many such dyads are paradoxically related (the opposite of what Joe’s intuition is telling him), and without empirical evidence and multi-variate regression analysis they are prime candidates for political scoring points.

Here is a young French lady (Thaïs d’Escufon) who thinks the riots have nothing to do with money or educational budgets (France spends better than OECD average proportions) underscored by some visceral evidence.

https://x.com/ThaisEscufon/status/2106448197011083591

3’50” Clip

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
18 days ago

So in America we have a failed right wing government and the “solution” people are hoping for next election is democratic socialism.

In France there is a failed democratic socialism state and the people want to give right wing morons a chance to do what Trump has done and failed.

See the pattern yet? Best thing to do is visit America and France as tourists and live somewhere else, let the suckers and losers deal with the problem.

Got exit strategy?🍿

peelo
peelo
18 days ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Competitive over-borrowing is everywhere in the developed world, under all banners. Free stuff is cool!

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
18 days ago
Reply to  peelo

… and in the undeveloped world, the white savior might find himself in a stew pot if things get bad.

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