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Many Companies Now Have Mandatory Vaccination Policies: Should This Be Legal?

Rising Vaccination Pressure 

Vaccination pressure is increasing across the board. With the Delta variant rising, Covid-19 Vaccine Mandates Split Corporate America.

“We did not take this decision lightly,” Donnie King, Tyson’s chief executive, wrote in a memo to the company’s roughly 120,000 U.S. employees. “We have spent months encouraging our team members to get vaccinated—today, under half of our team members are.”

Vaccine Mandates

  • Walmart requires vaccines for U.S. corporate staff and regional managers.
  • Some U.S. airlines are requiring vaccines for new hires but not existing staff.
  • Walt Disney Co.  announced last week it will require corporate and non-union hourly employees to be vaccinated. Some unions representing Disney workers said they were largely supportive of the move.
  • Cisco required that the limited number of employees working in its offices in July and August be fully vaccinated, guidance it expects to extend into the fall as offices reopen more broadly.
  • New York City announced Tuesday that people there will need to show proof of vaccination for indoor activities such as dining, gyms and events.

Peer Pressure

  • Steelmaker Cleveland-Cliffs Inc., CEO Lourenco Goncalves started an incentive program at the start of July with the goal of getting at least 75% of the roughly 25,000 employees vaccinated. 
  • Workers will receive $1,500 bonuses if at least 75% of the employees at their work sites receive the vaccine. For sites where at least 85% of coworkers receive the vaccine, the bonus increases to $3,000. The program runs through Aug. 21.

Spotlight Walmart and Disney

Walmart isn’t mandating the shots for store workers. 

Arguably, it makes far more sense to mandate vaccines where thousands of customers are going in and out than in corporate offices where things can more easily be tracked. 

The same applies to Disney and any other companies with corporate office mandates but not mandates in general.

It should be easy to see what’s happening. Once the corporate office is vaccinated, the next mandate will sound like this: We are all vaccinated, now it’s your turn.

Is This Legal? 

In a single word, yes. Note that public schools have long required vaccinations and courts have consistently upheld legality.

In Jacobson v. Massachusetts the Supreme Court ruled:

The liberty secured by the Constitution of the United States does not import an absolute right in each person to be at all times, and in all circumstances, wholly freed from restraint.

An exception is made in favor of “children who present a certificate, signed by a registered physician that they are unfit subjects for vaccination.” 

History of Vaccinations

Jacobson v. Massachusetts was settled in 1905 and has been the law of the land ever since. 

The History of Vaccinations explains the case.

In Jacobson, the state of Massachusetts delegated to local authorities the power to mandate smallpox vaccines. Faced with a smallpox outbreak, the city of Cambridge passed an ordinance requiring all people not vaccinated within a certain time frame to be vaccinated (or re-vaccinated, if they were vaccinated too long ago), with a criminal fine of $5 for refusers. Minister Jacobson refused to vaccinate (apparently because of concerns about the vaccine’s safety), but also did not want to pay the fine. He challenged his conviction all the way to the Supreme Court. The Court upheld his conviction on the grounds that individual rights are not absolute, and states can interfere with rights to protect the public health, as long as it’s reasonable.

School Vaccine Mandates in the Courts

The Jacobson ruling has been tested many times as recently as 2015 as noted by the Penn Journal Constitutional Law.

In June 2015, California’s governor signed into law SB277, which removed the personal belief exemption to school immunization requirements, making medical exemptions the only valid way to send an unvaccinated child in the affected categories to school. Naturally, vaccine-hesitant parents opposed the legislation. After their efforts failed in the legislature, they turned to the courts, raising arguments old and new. To date, opponents have filed five lawsuits against the new California law, all of which have failed. This Article explains why courts in the United States, which have consistently upheld school immunization requirements, are correct to do so. These requirements are supported by strong policy reasons and serve a compelling interest, since they dramatically reduce the risk of outbreaks of potentially deadly diseases. These mandates fit with our basic principles of state police power, reasonable limits on individual rights, and protecting children. They are also supported by over a hundred years of jurisprudence. Using the opponents’ arguments to identify the strongest claims against SB277, the Article explains why those arguments—including claims based in the First Amendment, in parental rights, and in the right to education—cannot stand.  

No Jab, No Job

  • It is constitutionally clear that corporations have the right to set terms of employment as long as the conditions are not discriminatory. 
  • There is nothing discriminatory about requiring every employee to do the same thing with possible exceptions for genuine medical or religious beliefs. 

That’s the legal case and it is a waste of time and money to object.

Legality vs Policy

If one wishes to argue it’s bad corporate policy, that’s another matter. Here’s a snip from the lead article.

Snap-on Inc., a Wisconsin-based high-end tools manufacturer with a largely blue-collar workforce, won’t mandate the vaccine, says Chief Executive Nicholas T. Pinchuk, because he believes such a move would backfire. 

“I don’t think the way to do it is to tell people, somehow because they don’t get the vaccine, they are flawed,” Mr. Pinchuk said. “They don’t respond to that.” 

Regardless, business owners and boards of directors set policies, not you or me. 

And here is the kicker: Pinchuk is encouraging vaccinations and giving employees time off to get them.

Republicans Inspire More to Get Vaccinated

Meanwhile, more republican leaders are on board including Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.

Alabama Governor Kay Ivey said “It’s time to start blaming the unvaccinated folks,” for the recent outbreak. 

For discussion, please see Rising Deaths and Pleas From Republicans Inspire More to Get Vaccinated

Some of my readers are on opposite sides of this debate, but it’s easy to see where things are headed: After a big stall, vaccination rates will head up.

I view that as a good thing. The only realistic debate is about how. Like it or not, the legality issue is totally settled. 

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Webej
Webej
4 years ago
Some of my readers are on opposite sides of this debate … Like it or not, the legality issue is totally settled. 
As long as they accept liability for all adverse reactions associated with their decision to make your decisions, that would be fine.
Perhaps stumbling into liabilities will cure the trend rather quickly.
It’s time to start blaming the unvaccinated folks
It’s actually asymptomatic vaccinated people who are not being tested that is a vector driving infections. (Vaccination does not stop infection/transmission, hence ‘leaky’ vaccines). Since they are asymptomatic, they do not stay at home. A mass vaccination campaign into the maw of an epidemic puts in place ideal evolutionary pressure for selecting vaccine escape mutations.
Scape-goating, as associated with Stalin, the Cultural Revolution, McCarthy, and the holocaust, seems a very dangerous political/social avenue to visit.
Webej
Webej
4 years ago

Some of my readers are on opposite sides of this debate, but it’s easy to see where things are headed … Like it or not, the legality issue is totally settled. 

As long as they accept liability for all adverse reactions associated with their decision to make your decisions, that would be fine.
Perhaps stumbling into liabilities will cure the trend rather quickly.
It’s time to start blaming the unvaccinated folks,
This is the actual point, and the scapegoating has started big time.
We all remember the role scape-goating plays in bad times (Stalin, McCarthy, the Jews).
Scientifically, it is the vaccinated that provide the evolutionary pressure for vaccine escape variants to circulate, and it is the asymptomatic transmission of those ‘vaccinated’ with this leaky vaccine who are not being tested and are driving the next stages of this epidemic. Applying mass vaccinations in the maw of an epidemic with a leaky vaccine creates the perfect evolutionary conditions for such escape, whereas natural immunity is sterilizing and breaks transmission (and provides broader immunity against variants). No matter how much people rail against the unvaccinated, science will eventually come to the opposite conclusion.
Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer
4 years ago

Gotta love the flip side of right to work laws. For those who championed right to work laws that favored employers you cant have it both ways.

Markab
Markab
4 years ago
Mish et al,
While it is very true that Courts have long held the legality of mandatory immunizations for schools, the workplace mandates with THESE vaccines are arguably different. For one, the drugmakers rallied for, and received, what amounts to a blanket legal immunity should complications develop from their drugs; additionally, the required taking of these vaccines, under the so-called “Emergency Use Authorization” of the FDA, amounts to little more than extortion–your choice but you will lose your livelihood if you don’t. No doubt the FDA is under immense political pressure to grant full authorization, which they likely will in months ( a process that normally takes 7-10 years), but forced mandates for an entirely new class of vaccines (mRNA) which has very little study on their potential intermediate or long-term consequences without any viable legal path for recourse should something go horribly wrong “seems” criminal. Of course, by law, you could sue the Health & Human Services Administration which in the past was the target for vaccine-related malpractice and has paid out a few claims over the years. However, these are the same people, through their CDC, that have openly defied the Supreme Court on the legality of the eviction moratoriums. Individual freedoms and right to property are being taken away, and in the case of the latter, even the Trump Administration didn’t blatantly defy the Supreme Court, which the Biden Administration just did. These people aren’t to be trusted.
PostCambrian
PostCambrian
4 years ago
I don’t quite see how a religious belief would exempt anyone (although the current Supreme Court makeup may hold otherwise) from a vaccination requirement. A religious belief is just a strong belief and many (if not most) people have those. From what I can see for most people their strong beliefs usually influence their actions more than their purported religious beliefs. I haven’t heard of many medical reasons why someone couldn’t be vaccinated although I am sure that there probably is at least one.
Bungalow Bill
Bungalow Bill
4 years ago

Rights are surrendered anytime you step foot on someone else’s private property. No body is forcing anyone to work at these places. You are free to leave. Americans seem to love playing victim when they believe a private company has violated their rights when in fact that company is well within its rights, and yet are often too quiet when government puts more restrictions on their rights. Notice how quiet MAGA was when Trump started calling for red flag gun laws, delivered the bump stock ban, signed FIX NICS into law, and allowed his ATF to ban the honey badger. Yet many of them act like snowflakes when a company demonstrates it has actual rights to dictate workplace policy. 

ILHawk
ILHawk
4 years ago
How many of you who are pro covid vaccine are fat?  How many pro covid  vaxers are normal weight?  
How many of you anti covid vaxers are Trumper?  How many anti covid vaxers are not Trumpers?
I’m not pro trump and am a normal.  I’m not overweight.
Damn you fat asses that shut down the economy.  Damn you carb addicts too lazy to eat well and exercise.  Damn you.
thimk
thimk
4 years ago
let’s take a look at the demographics of the vaccinated,  can’t vouch for the data accuracy –  but in summary:  Unvaccinated Adults Are Younger, Less Educated, More Likely To Be Republicans, People Of Color, And Uninsured. 
ssan
ssan
4 years ago
Mish, I enjoy your articles since they are logical and analytical. In this article you seem biased towards “For vaccines”.
I would like you to answer (if you are kind enough) the following questions: (IT will be of use to all your readers) —
0) Was covid and the subsequent strains released from man made labs ? Why no one has been prosecuted yet, if they were released?
1) Why did the big pharma companies rush the “NO LIABILITY” bill through congress,  just before the vaccine rollouts.
2) Is this vaccine a genetic experiment ?
3) is it a vaccine or gene modification therapy ?
4) If vaccine causes lot of breakthrough infections, which seems to be happening,  they why take it ?
5) why is natural immunity to covid aka flu vaccine being downplayed ?
6) When there are so many types of vaccines from so many compnies and so many countries, how to know which is good and which is bad ?
7) how to know if there will be any side effects down the road ? who will pay for it ?
8) How did some company decide on one dose and why some companies have 2 doses ?
9) Why are they requiring about taking booster shots now ?
10) what is the definition of vulnerable people  for booster shots?
11)  Why effects of remedies like invermectin, hydroxycloroquine, zinc and vitamin D is being downplayed by govt, big pharma and media (including blogs like yours) ?
12) will there be a vaccine requirement every year, every 6 months, every 3 months , BTW every day ?
thank you ssan
whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
Reply to  ssan
“… how to know if there will be any side effects down the road ? who will pay for it ?”
Why, the for-profit insurance companies in our wonderful employment-based health insurance system, of course!  They will pay for it.   They may want a profit, but their main concern by far is the health and wellbeing of their members!   

You believe that, don’t you?
That they are here to help anyway they can?    Right?  LOL

Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Wanna see the face of a man who couldn’t make a decent assessment of COVID risk? 
Nothing like sticking to your guns in the face of a challenge from people who want you to wear a mask and get vaccinated, 
I love the smell of napalm in the morning. Smells like victory!
whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Reminded me of the time in my hometown when a group of young guys had a party one late night, and one of the guys got too drunk but still wanted to ride his motorbike back home.   The others told him to take a taxi instead.  He told them, “F you!” and got on to his motorbike.
He got as far as the third lamp post.  
whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
Time to throw back the right-wingers’ talking point back at them.   Don’t agree with a company mandating vaccines and masks?    Go find another job!   

(Never mind that due to the corrupt political system with virtually no campaign finance laws and the near-total non-enforcement of antitrust laws, there are just 2 or 3 major employers in most of the industry sectors).

oee
oee
4 years ago
Don’t infect me bro. This is end result of Thatcherism. As she famously said, “there is no society,” She promoted selfishness.  It is not an accident two of the worst responses to the virus have been Toryland and USA. 
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Since blacks and hispanics are underrepresented in vaccination take-up rates these companies will have mainly white workforces. If the policy goes on a long time then eventually there will be almost no non-whites in the company. The company will now be wide open to legal charges of racial discrimination. Now large companies have legal departments and I am sure they are well aware of the problem from a legal point of view. For the moment they can do it but they will drop it as soon as they can. I give it 6 months and then the requirement will be gone.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
In March 2020 a noted virologist said that in the end everyone is going to get it sooner or later. At the time I though that that statement was a bit farfetched and fatalistic. Now it seems evident. The virus passes easily from one to another even with a mask, now has animal vectors and vaccination doesn’t prevent the shedding of viable virons. Some have natural immunity, some catch it and now have immunity, some got vaccinated and now have immunity. Those who have immunity now constitute over 70% of the US population and probably more so the virus is running out of people to infect and this last up bump will peter out as it touches the remaining ones. Lockdowns and masks do not prevent covid. They just stretch it out allowing the hospitals not to be overwhelmed but these measures had no effect on total cases and deaths. The counties who were able to escape it by isolation like Australia and New Zealand will now have to go through what we just went through. One thing that seems to be downplayed because it is not newsworthy is that civilization even in countries without vaccines did not fall anywhere. That is what I choose to celebrate.
Blurtman
Blurtman
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Immunity through vaccination is synthetic and limited to a defined sequence of a protein. It is factually incorrect to state that the virus is running out of people to infect as recent data illustrates that the vaccinated harbor the virus in quantities equal to the unvaccinated.  It is an unsupported statement to say that masks and lockdowns have an effect on viral transmission.  Much of what you have posted is either false or merely unsupported conjecture.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Blurtman
I should have said that the virus is running out of people that it can make sick. Lockdowns and masks have an effect but do not prevent the spread of covid because eventually the virus gets through. Look at Australia and also China. The covid virus is getting through. If you want we can talk this through point by point. Perhaps you will find weaknesses in my arguments and if so I would like to see them.
Jackula
Jackula
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Yeah I think the virus is gonna be running out of fuel here too. If I back into the number of infected from the deaths using NIH study IFR of .15 % I get somewhere over 100% of the population here has had Covid. I’m shocked that the NIH would quote a study with a questionable IFR and not even do common sense math to see if the number makes sense. My best guess is from primarily UK and Israeli data the IFR is more like .5%.  Doing the same calc as above with 400k excess deaths added and using my IFR of  .5% would equate to 60% of the population having had Covid. Now if the IFR is more like 1% Houston we have a problem. Going with the .5% IFR with Israeli data showing only a 1% re-infection rate with those that had Covid and the vaccination program this should keep any wave going forward from being very bad. The vaccines don’t seem to do much to keep the delta v. from spreading. Having had Covid seems to provide very long term resistance, as in a decade plus if the data from sars covid 1 is analogous. 
Onni4me
Onni4me
4 years ago
So? Everything now is about legalities?
Good to know, let’s not think or question anymore. Just do whatever the government and Big Pharma says. Never mind that if something goes wrong this is experimental “vaccine” and you are not covered. 
Many thanks Mish for once again showing your true colours. Don’t pretend to be for freedom of choice if you are not. 
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
“That’s the legal case and it is a waste of time and money to object.”
——–
Not necessarily.  Here is a post from the blog of Jon Turley (yes, a lawyer form the Trump impeachment process) that raises some issues:
richard carroll says:
July 13, 2021 at 2:25 PM
The 1905 decision was written by Oliver Wendell Holmes. He also wrote a decision that a woman he considered to be an idiot could be sterilized,based upon his 1905 ruling. The Mass. law only required a fine, not a compulsory vaccine.
So, the expansive understanding of a eugenicist’s precedent from over a century ago seems bizarre to me. Also, these are experimental gene therapies, not vaccines as legally defined by law. The FDA specifically refused to do systematic studies following injection, in violation of rational scientific practice. So, there is no rigorous investigation of these injection outcomes, which VAERS reports to be over 9000 deaths and thousands of injuries. Informed consent, as required
by the Nuremberg Code, is thus rendered impossible.
Myself, I would be more than happy to pay the fine.  Can I then get an exemption?
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
“There is nothing discriminatory about requiring every employee to do the same thing with possible exceptions for genuine medical or religious beliefs. “
———–
So the goal is to force everyone to vaccinate to protect the population BUT if you can demonstrate a medical or religious reason not to, then hey, that’s OK also!  Say what?
So how do you get a religious exemption?  What religion do you have to belong to in order to make this work?
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
“Some of my readers are on opposite sides of this debate, but it’s easy to see where things are headed: After a big stall, vaccination rates will head up.”
——
What’s going to heat up are the number of fake vaccine cards.  You can make your own using the hundreds of thousands of images available online or order them from Asia.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
My company is going with a policy of masks in common areas (in your own office you can remove them) if you aren’t vaccinated and no masks if you provide proof of vaccination. I suspect this is going to be the way that most companies are going to end up going just to avoid all kinds of hassles.
I believe it was a huge mistake for the government not to indemnify anyone who gets long term complications from the vaccine. I realize the individual companies providing the vaccine can’t afford it if something happens 5 or 10 years down the line to a large group of people, but the government should have stepped in and said they would cover all medical expenses if that happens. For those in other countries reading this, it’s a big deal here where there is no universal health care and lord forbid, suddenly 5 or 10 years down the line you develop complications from the vaccine because you may not be covered at all from your health insurance, you can’t sue and suddenly you can be looking at thousands or hundreds of thousands in out of pocket medical care. I suspect a large portion of younger (<40) people don’t want the vaccine for that very reason.
Jackula
Jackula
4 years ago
The Covid pandemic has been a shitshow here in the US..between Covid tests that are not very accurate, crappy PPE and the politicization of personal hygeine and the medical response, and Covid vaccines that are quite a bit more deadly with more dangerous side effects than most. It’s unfair to ask the young to potentially sacrifice themselves by taking the vaccine that looks like it might have more risk for their age group than Covid itself.  Not to mention the elephant in the room, the Delta variant being almost just as transmissable among the vaccinated as the not vaccinated already partially escaping the vaccines.. I think this over-reliance on vaccines with project warp speed may come to haunt us by creating a super Covid and its totally off the CDC’s radar. At least the UK health authorities admit the selection pressure of the vaccines on Covid could create a Covid superbug. This is the first time the human race has tried to vaccinate itself out of a worldwide pandemic and having big pharma run the response and big tech control the narrative may turn out to be disasterous. I believe it was foolish of the Trump administration and now the Biden administration to not to direct a big chunk of the Covid spending on researching the efficacy of existing antivirals.
stephejdu
stephejdu
4 years ago
Private Corporations have every right to require vaccinations and require workers to work at a provided Corporate workplace. Citizens have every right to not get a vaccine and work or not work. Trust me, non workers are the future, not Covid.
Bam_Man
Bam_Man
4 years ago
These so-called vaccines are still EXPERIMENTAL, not FDA-approved, and only allowed due to “emergency authorizations” that we now know were granted upon false premises (no other effective treatments available). Mandating them is a violation of the Nuremburg Code (based upon informed CONSENT) and quite likely what will eventually be recognized as a crime against humanity.
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
What is with the desperation to shove these vaccines down everyone’s throats?
In vitro, Ivermectin kills the Covid-19 virus in 24 hours. Why hasn’t there been widespread outpatient use in the U.S., when there are some 60 positive studies/trials demonstrating its anti-viral properties?
Why are the public health agencies and the big pharma companies seemingly joined at the hip? Ten of eleven advisory committee members determined that a new Alzheimer’s drug that would cost $56,000 a year to administer, didn’t work. The FDA approved it anyway. Three of the advisory board members quit in disgust.
Dr. Kory noted that Remdesevir didn’t have one of those gold plated studies, that Ivermectin is criticized for not having, yet it was approved at $3,000 a pop, to treat Covid. Double standard.
The 60 studies/trials demonstrate that a substantial number of the over 600,000 U.S. Covid-19 deaths could have been prevented, had Ivermectin been widely used, once it’s anti-viral properties became known. But let’s blame the unCovaxxed and create a bigotry toward them and discriminate against them. Get out your torches and your pitchforks.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
I asked my primary MD for a script for Ivermectin and Fluvoxamine in case I contacted Covid.  I was told no, as these weren’t approved drugs for Covid.
You can go to a veterinary supply to get ivermectin (horse deworming) but you need a script for Fluvoxamine or have to try to order it from overseas.
How do you find an MD willing to work with you?
Dr. Manhattan23
Dr. Manhattan23
4 years ago
Here is an article from the Jerusalem Post about ivermectin – https://www.jpost.com/health-science/israeli-scientist-says-covid-19-could-be-treated-for-under-1day-675612   If that not enough, here is another site, https://c19ivermectin.com/ ,  that has corrugated all, a ton of, studies on it. Ivermectin has been around and safe. It works better as a profolaxis, read the any of the studies, and works better early on. Unfortunately, no money to be made as its off of patent protection. When Merck, the creator of ivermectin, was asked to do a study on its efficacy, they refused, as they stand to make more money from a vaccine. The studies have been done and a database has been created of all ivermectin COVID-19 studies. 105 studies, 68 peer reviewed, 60 with results comparing treatment and control groups involving over 570 scientists and over 21K subjects for a drug thats been around for 40 years and proven to be safe and effective with little to no side effects. Yet nothing from the media. The science I guess isn’t settled. If this high of a bar is required to prove efficacy, then is this the same bar that the current vaccines had to jump? I think not.
OK. If that doesn’t do it. Here is the Moderna’s SEC filing, 10Q. and without me mincing words, here is their own quote ““Currently, mRNA is considered a gene therapy product by the FDA. Unlike certain gene therapies that irreversibly alter cell DNA and could act as a source of side effects, mRNA-based medicines are designed to not irreversibly change cell DNA; however, side effects observed in gene therapy could negatively impact the perception of mRNA medicines despite the differences in mechanism. In addition, because no product in which mRNA is the primary active ingredient has been approved, the regulatory pathway for approval is uncertain. The number and design of the clinical trials and preclinical studies required for the approval of these types of medicines have not been established, may be different from those required for gene therapy products, or may require safety testing like gene therapy products. Moreover, the length of time necessary to complete clinical trials and to submit an application for marketing approval for a final decision by a regulatory authority varies significantly from one pharmaceutical product to the next, and may be difficult to predict.” This is the companies quarterly SEC filing. This is the firm that gets liability immunity, while the public is being forced to take this “vaccine” is discussed. If you’re wondering, it’s on page 70. The reason why mRNA hasn’t been approved in the past is because it failed during animal testing and the FDA wouldn’t approve them in the past.
I will ask those who are for forcibly pushing this vaccine test on your own people, what is the end game. If the government can forcibly push this, how far would you go to listen to them and are you ok if you dont agree with them in the future? On any subject? What is the red line? What else are you willing to let the government dictate and force you to do in your life? “My body, my choice” doesn’t seem to hold up well right now, but what happens if a different administration pushes a different mandate for some other public health crisis? Would you be willing to get 3 booster shots a year, how about 5, how about 10? Just because you may want this under this circumstance, history shows us that the law of unintended consequences doesn’t rear its ugly head only at the pleasure of the very people who pushed for it under different circumstances. 
Dr. Manhattan23
Dr. Manhattan23
4 years ago
and yes, I have read the 10Q filling and read a handful of the ivermectin studies and reviewed the metadata on all studies thats available
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
August 1, 2021
Pfizer and Moderna raise prices for COVID-19 vaccines in EU- FT
Aug 1 (Reuters) – Pfizer Inc (PFE.N) and Moderna Inc (MRNA.O) have raised the prices of their COVID-19 vaccines in their latest European Union supply contracts, the Financial Times reported on Sunday.
The new price for the Pfizer shot was 19.50 euros ($23.15)against 15.50 euros previously, the newspaper said, citing portions of the contracts seen.
The price of a Moderna vaccine was $25.50 a dose, the contracts show, up from about 19 euros in the first procurement deal but lower than the previously agreed $28.50 because the order had grown, the report said, citing one official close to the matter.
….
amigator
amigator
4 years ago
Should be illegal.  I have had COVID hardly any affects  at all not as bad as some flus I have had. The vaccine will not be life saving for me. Am I vaccinating to save another’s life?  There are many things that I would like others to do that could save my life.
Will be glad to help others in normal ways putting something inside my body that I do not need does not seem reasonable to me. 
Most other “real” countries are recognizing that if you had COVID you are default vaccinated it seems that that science has been lost here in the US in a rush for the Fed’s to get all vaccinated. A bit too political for me.
goldguy
goldguy
4 years ago
Sure, go ahead and jab people who don’t want it, your setting yourself up for lawsuits.  That is if we still have the rule of law in this country which I believe is dead. Just look at what puddinhead did with the free rent scam.
Most vaccines take years of testing to find out if they are safe.  We had the trump boondoggle of Warpspeed.  How Foolish. The fact is, which nobody wants to talk about, is what could happen to an individual years from now? It has happened before with other drugs so don’t say it could not happen here.
Just like everything in America its all about the money, follow the money and you will find the answer. Pfizer had pretty good earnings recently announced. 
T3064wj
T3064wj
4 years ago
It’s simply a violation of human rights to force someone to get jabbed. Not talking about employer mandates. One can choose to lose their employment with said company if they wish. Bottom line, one cannot be legally forced to get vaccinated outside of employment. 
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Every straggler has his or her own excuse. Almost none of them hold water, when viewed objectively. I think that survivors of COVID who can show they have antibodies are the only people who have a leg to stand on, when it comes to any kind of cogent argument against getting the jab, The rest are just repeating the bad information that’s out there, or they’re worried about some possible side-effect that, when viewed in light of the data, is an infinitesimally tiny risk.
For many, it appears to be all all about thumbing ones nose at authority. “ You can’t make me!” I love the people who come in my office and refuse to have their temperature taken. They usually back down when I show them the door, but not always. You can’t fix stupid.
Fine. keep rolling the dice and sooner or later you’ll roll snake-eyes, unless you’re one of the lucky ones.
Yes, vaccinations, like every other medical procedure that exists, have a potential benefit and a potential risk. In this case, the risk is very small and the benefit can be life-saving. And vaccinating everybody works better for all of us than just vaccinating the high-risk people. That seems to be poorly understood.
Yes, they are actually vaccines. Good try on that one, no cigar.
No, “non-sterilizing” does not mean people getting vaccinated are just as likely to to spread COVID as the non-vaccinated. Nobody knows that yet. There is no data on that. The only thing known is that vaccinated people can harbor high viral loads in their noses…at least some people can.
There are a lot of manipulative influencers  out there, all of whom have some axe to grind, trying to make all kinds of extrapolations from new stories…..without a shred of evidence.
Here’s the important thing. If you are vaccinated and you get COVID, your chances of having serious, life-threatening disease is cut to near zero. 
I did not force my employees to get vaccinated. I did persuade, cajole, appeal, and facilitate. The less educated people were the hardest to sell on it.  Now it should be easier. Delta changes the risk/benefit equation and makes it even more obvious that getting vaccinated is the right thing to do.
I had to test an employee this week and fortunately they tested negative. But they have a cold, and until they get over it, they’re going to say home. No more coming to work sick. Test results are coming back much faster now.
Delta will not be the last variant we have to deal with. But the vaccine does work on it, pretty well. Thank God.
Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Recent studies have shown that the immunity from prior covid is roughly equivalent to the immunity from vaccination. The rate of breakthrough infection is about the same, as well. If someone has had covid, it’s about the same as vaccination, but what remains to be seen is this: With SARS, those people who recovered continued to have immunity for a long time, but they also had a higher than normal death rate for at least 15 years after exposure. With the same be true of SARS-COV2?
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
Provide links to your recent studies.  Here’s  a couple of mine:
January 26, 2021
Lasting immunity found after recovery from COVID-19
At a Glance
– The immune systems of more than 95% of people who recovered from COVID-19 had durable memories of the virus up to eight months after infection.
– The results provide hope that people receiving SARS-CoV-2 vaccines will develop similar lasting immune memories after vaccination.
….
Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection?
Nearly 40% of new COVID patients were vaccinated – compared to just 1% who had been infected previously.
David Rosenberg , Jul 13, 2021 9:24 AM
Coronavirus patients who recovered from the virus were far less likely to become infected during the latest wave of the pandemic than people who were vaccinated against COVID, according to numbers presented to the Israeli Health Ministry.
Health Ministry data on the wave of COVID outbreaks which began this May show that Israelis with immunity from natural infection were far less likely to become infected again in comparison to Israelis who only had immunity via vaccination.
….
Meanwhile, there are many reports circulating that protection from the mRNA vaccines is petering out by the 6th month, which is why the drug companies are pushing for regular booster shots.   Such shots might increase Covid protections (for another 6 months?) but they definitely increase pharma company profits.
And don’t forget the PTown, MA study recently from the CDC where previously vaccinated people were pushing out as much virus as the non-vaccinated.
goldguy
goldguy
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
The definition of a vaccine is one that will prevent infection, the current ones are non sterilizing and DO NOT prevent infection. So, no, its not a vaccine in the true definition.
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
“Yes, vaccinations, like every other medical procedure that exists, have a potential benefit and a potential risk.”
Thus, it should be up to the individual to make the choice of whether to take the vaccine or not.
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
4 years ago
This time is different. The government has taken my/everyone’s right away to sue the pharma company in the event of a disabling or hospitalizing reaction to the vaccine. Until my right to sue for damages is reinstated I definitely have the right to refuse the vaccine.
And as usual, the opinions written by the judges contain subjective language. COVID-19 is orders of magnitude less deadly than small-pox and yellow fever in terms of death.
curtmilr
curtmilr
4 years ago
Absolutely NOT, because, regardless what they are called, they are NOT actual vaccines! The scientific community has NEVER presented a definition of Covid-219, or any of the variants, only a murky soup of symptoms that they purport to have been caused by it/them!
This is a science experiment being conducted on duped, but therefore willing, subjects. That tactic was criminal! BTW, buying into the scamdemic was Trump’s greatest failure!
I’m a “Covid 19” survivor. I lost a friend to it, it was no picnic,  but bronchial infections never are! But I now have the antibodies to whatever it is, which is far superior to any so-called vaccine! BTW, I don’t take Flu Shots either! And I don’t ever get the Flu!
yooj
yooj
4 years ago
Reply to  curtmilr
Antibodies, the hard way, great. 
By the way, how do you know that there are such things as antibodies? Why are they not so-called antibodies? 
 
dtj
dtj
4 years ago
I haven’t gotten the vaccine mainly because I don’t trust it. Just a gut instinct. Personally I find it amazing that millions are lining up for the vaccine without question or pushback.
I work for an employer who is not going to require it (yet) but starting in September will require regular testing and masking at all times. For those not affected by mandates/requirements yet, they are coming.
What I find very disturbing is that naturally acquired immunity will not exempt people from vaccine mandates.
The bombshell we learned just this week is that the vaccine is not sterilizing. What’s the point of mandates if it is not going to reduce the spread?

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