New York State is Losing Jobs to Florida and Texas at an Astonishing Clip

February 4, 2023

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*Job change data from the BLS, top 10 states by population, chart by Mish*

Since the pre-Covid pandemic New York State has lost 267,000 jobs. Illinois, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Ohio are also job losers.

Big gainers, in order, include Texas, Florida, North Carolina, and Georgia.

Job Trends Since 1990

*Job data by state from the BLS, top eight states by population, chart by Mish*

Job Trends Since Pre-Pandemic

*Job data by state from the BLS, select states, chart by Mish*

Job Trends

In general, jobs are shifting from blue states to red states.
In general. jobs are shifting from the rust belts to the South.
Ohio is the only Red state losing jobs.
Illegal immigration is the only reason California has gained jobs (and not that many relative to its size).
Note that Florida has passed New York in jobs (9,579,000 to 9,576,000)

Right-to-Work States

Chart courtesy of the Right to Work Organization, chart by Mish.

Chart from the National Right to Work Foundation.

Ohio was the only Red state in the top ten to lose jobs. In addition to being a rust state victim, Ohio is also a right-to-work state along with California, Illinois, New York, and Pennsylvania.

Unions add expenses to businesses and taxpayers. With added expenses, taxes go up.

The states with the highest income tax rates are California (13.3%), Hawaii (11.0%), New York (10.9%), and New Jersey (10.75%).

New Jersey (2.49%) followed by Illinois (2.27%) have the highest property tax rates in the US.

The state exodus data is self-explanatory for many reasons.

Goodbye Illinois

Escape Illinois: Get The Hell Out Now, We Are

On October 5, 2019 I wrote Escape Illinois: Get The Hell Out Now, We Are

We will have been in Utah for 3 years this July. Glad to be out.

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nic9075

2 years ago

Do you mean NY State or the New York city Metropolitan area. The economy in the NYC area is booming. People are moving to the area in droves. Last census count put NYC at 8.8 million people.

It may be different in NY state which is the area north of Putnam County but really this is nonsense because the jobs being added in the NYC metro area are high paying six figure salary white collar jobs

reiner

2 years ago

Reply to nic9075

The last census was over two years ago, homes.

JackWebb

2 years ago

Reply to nic9075

It ought to be quite obvious that it’s a state-level number.

Tex

2 years ago

Read the Fate of Empires (1976, Sir John Glubb), online PDF. It’s but 24 (26 total) easy read pages. Read the Summary on page 24 to cut to the quick. America’s End is upon her. I have it being Ugly. 🔦

mcgoverntm

2 years ago

BIG MISTAKE! You wrote

“Ohio is also a right-to-work state along with California, Illinois, New York, and Pennsylvania,” which contradicts the chart.

Agave

2 years ago

Yeah, but then they have to live in Texas with its proto-fascist government and brutal climate.

My sympathies!

reiner

2 years ago

Reply to Agave

Actually sounds like new yawk.

Doug78

2 years ago

I would love to shoot down a Chinese balloon. it looks cool.

hhabana

2 years ago

I moved out of Illinois back in mid 1990’s to Seattle with the ex. Lived there for 6 years before we had moved to California. I’ve travelled all over the world and can name several places I’d want to live outside the USA so this USA special stuff is garbage. Unfortunately, many of those places have allowed uncontrolled illegal immigration and people that don’t want to assimilate unlike my parents when they came here from Eastern Europe.

Back to Illinois. Have a relative that has a couple of condo’s by Lake Michigan. Beautiful area. Problem is crime is rampant and she says car jackings and muggings are common. There is no feeling of safety especially for a woman. California has gone downhill as well. When I came here early 2000’s there were not the homeless like now. I’ve been to India and Nepal. We’re creating our shanty towns too. Maybe like Jamaica. Anyway, the liberals have been in control forever so how can they not create low income shed communities for the homeless to live in and be monitored and treated. Also, lock those that are mentally ill permanently until they show improvement and have a way to work outside. Nobody cares whether liberal or conservative, Democrat or Republican.

Right now, I’m watching the “reparations” drama and what this committee will present middle of the year to the California government. I believe it’s like $250,000 per black person. I’ve read they’re trying to push this much higher. San Francisco is proposing $500,000 per black person. If, and big if, this actually passes the legislature and they start passing this money out then I will move. I’ve been looking for a year and half, but those areas that I desire have gone up. I do agree the California liberal jerks destroy areas they transplant to. I had neighbor from New Jersey when I lived in Seattle. He lived in Cali for a couple of years. He said there are a bunch of arrogant jerks who know everything. From the way they run this state, I agree.

Cocoa

2 years ago

The problem with California and znY emigration is that they move out of their self-inflicted problem areas and go to another place with the same liberal baggage that ruined the blue states in the first place. They “infect” the red state like a cancer with high prices, woke politics, bad civilities and so on

PapaDave

2 years ago

The US is still one of the best places to live in the world. And I don’t care much about trying to compare the relatively minor differences between individual states.

Unlike so many people in so many countries who endure a daily struggle to find food, water, shelter and safety, we live in the lap of luxury, unseen by the masses in any prior time period. We are blessed with a high standard of living and an incredible amount of “free time”.

What we do with that “free time” is rather telling.

Do we use it for positive things, that can improve our lives and the lives of others? Or do we use it for negative things, that drag us down into a cesspool of envy, jealousy, and bitterness.

Personally I choose to use my substantial amount of free time to improve my life. Heading out for my daily 5k run now.

Maybe I will have more free time later to check back in here. Go USA!

nic9075

2 years ago

Reply to PapaDave

Then how come most of the immigration (legal and illegal) is from central and South America and South Asia places likeTibet and Nepal I don’t see people from Canada,western Europe, Australia or NZ flocking to the USA like all these Migrants in NYC who are allegedly asylum seekers

Lisa_Hooker

2 years ago

Reply to PapaDave

You missed a big third alternative. Not negative, but tuned out folks on video games, soap operas, TVs disadvantaged minority sob stories, etc., etc.

Six000mileyear

2 years ago

Dictator Hochul wants to force affordable housing requirements on local municipalities. With 267K leaving NY every year there will be more than enough vacant units by the time the first ground-breaking ceremony takes place.

vanderlyn

2 years ago

Reply to Six000mileyear

the dicatator, ha ah ah. words have no meaning anymore. i hope you are correct. i’ve sold all my properties and have piles and piles of benjamins, and hoping to buy the empire state building and turn it into my single family residence. just came back to the “EMPIRE STATE, PROPERLY CALLED BY GEORGE WASHINGTON”, after being all over the place for 30 years. i’d love to buy a few brownstones for pennies on the peso. from your mouth to the roman god jupiter’s blessings, i hope you are correct. in the mean time i will walk a few miles in brooklyn and enjoy the sights. and if i get a chance i will mug an old lady, like the old times as i did in my youth. it’s easy money.

nic9075

2 years ago

Reply to Six000mileyear

How many of the homeless will be eligible for one of these apartments. Even if by chance they meet the income requirements they will be disqualified because of bad credit and eviction on record. Most of these affordable housing ‘ become just soulless yuppie enclaves like the seaport district of South Boston and much of Brooklyn now

Matt3

2 years ago

All of the posters that see problems only need to examine their lives. Life is really good. You might have to search for to see the beauty but it’s all around you.

I lived in Illinois. Taxes stink but I still visit and have family there. It still has a lot to enjoy and appreciate. I’m now in north GA. The area is changing but things always change. Change isn’t always bad. It is less segregated than Illinois and the people are happier. Recreation is plentiful. Mountains nearby with hiking and biking. Lots of waterfalls. Lakes are all around and a 5 hour drive to the ocean.

We all make our own happiness. If you can’t see the wonder of nature, that’s your fault.

vanderlyn

2 years ago

Reply to Matt3

100%. i’ve lived all over this continent. one makes her own contentment. as a point, i never once moved due to taxes. i figured out decades ago, income taxes are for the little people. read the instructions to the game of life. IRS code is chock full of free handouts. no great numbers of humans move over taxes. lifestyle, loved ones and fleeing war zones and of course jobs jobs jobs. this whole argument is basically rubbish for the middlebrows. like bones tossed to dogs.

Lisa_Hooker

2 years ago

Reply to Matt3

I love the Appalachians, but they don’t have mountains. They have some very, very high hills north of Georgia. Beautiful country. But not mountains. Mountains do not have any trees at the top. Only snow and ice and rocks. At this rate next thing you know they’ll have mountains in Iowa.

vanderlyn

2 years ago

NEWS FLASH. MEN MOVING FROM NORTHEAST TOWARDS WEST AND SOUTH. ONLY SINCE THE ERIE CANAL FINISHED.

Lisa_Hooker

2 years ago

Reply to vanderlyn

Westward movement cause verified as escape from obnoxious Governments.

Doug78

2 years ago

With the preponderance of population, industry and military installations, if the Civil War were to happen today the South would win hands down.

Zardoz

2 years ago

Reply to Doug78

They wouldn’t have to fight… the other states would be glad to see them go.

Doug78

2 years ago

Reply to Zardoz

It was meant to say how much the South has developed vis a vis the rest of the country in population, industry and economic power and not to promote secession. Most of the immigration into the South are people fleeing the Midwest winters and the rustbelt so the the South has a good dose of Midwestern common sense instead of the acquiring some of the dumbass stupid ideologies you find prevalent in West Coast and the North East.

What I am worried about are the Canadians who come down for the winter with their way of mispronouncing “about”. Some don’t even speak English but a mutilated bastard form of something that sometimes resembles French and sometimes not.

Jack

2 years ago

Reply to Doug78

Tbh, the mutilated french you refer can be considered a more pure, older french than what is currently used in France.

Canadian French was historically regarded as exceptionally “pure” Francien by metropolitan Paris commentators in the 18th century.

This was when Francien was starting to be influenced by the various regional languages within France’s borders due to internal immigration: the langue d’oïl (they used the word oïl for “yes”) and langue d’oc (from Provençal oc for “yes”) are only spoken by a small number of elderly people today.

Doug78

2 years ago

Reply to Jack

I was joking. I live in France and speak French. I have also been to Quebec many times for work and pleasure. I took the “a mutilated bastard form of something that sometimes resembles French and sometimes not” from a Quebec comedy where a cop from Quebec tracks a criminal to backwoods Virginia and he is arrested by the local cops. The deputy describes him as some “furiner” speaking like that. I was wondering if someone would bite at my parody and I am glad that you responded.

I love the Quebecois accent and as a Quebecois once told me “nos ancêtres ont pris
la même chemin” since our ancestors came at the same time. Unfortunately in France and especially in Paris that accent is down upon. It’s their loss.

Lisa_Hooker

2 years ago

Reply to Doug78

Canadians just don’t have enough Arabic influence in their language.

Unlike the Parisians.

KidHorn

2 years ago

Reply to Doug78

It wouldn’t be a war between north and south. It would be an urban vs rural war. Rural would easily win since they can starve the big cities into submission.

Doug78

2 years ago

Reply to KidHorn

Yes. Headquarters in the cities, production in the countryside.

rktbrkr

2 years ago

Whenever Florida or TX flip from red to blue a Republican president will be an impossibility, at least an elected republican president. The pattern of migration makes it likely. VA is no longer red and Georgia and NC are following. These sea changes happen. The solid south used to be . democrat but now it’s solid GOP but tipping back to blue with all the new in-migrants. The dixiecrats found a new home in the GOP to express their racial and religious beliefs.

Employers love low wage, non union locations and southern states offer them in spades. Automakers have been closing plants in the northeast & midwest and moving them to lower wage locs in China, Mexico and southeast.

MarkraD

2 years ago

Reply to rktbrkr

In business, I frequently pass lowballers knowing my competition takes them, as a result my time is more valuable, I make more money.

I’m more than certain it works the same on the macro.

Esclaro

2 years ago

Reply to rktbrkr

Dream on. Texas and Florida are both getting steadily more MAGA. Anyone with any sanity is leaving these $hit holes.

vanderlyn

2 years ago

Reply to Esclaro

most of amerika is a wasteland of “civilization”. maga and inner cities.

Matt3

2 years ago

Reply to vanderlyn

Most of America is Beautiful!!. Get out into nature. Take a hike in the mountains – Appalachian or Rockies. Get out to a lake. stroll along the ocean. Maybe you’re just spending your time in the wrong places.

Doug78

2 years ago

Reply to rktbrkr

As we have seen Democrat policies create new Republicans in quantity who then move to Red states. It is also not unheard of that a previously Democrat state turns Republican if of course the elections are fair.

Doug78

2 years ago

Reply to rktbrkr

Census figures show that Northern blacks are moving back to the South. California has also lost a lot of its black population. Apparently they find more opportunity and a better lifestyle there. The stereotypes Northern and Westerners have about the South is often very far from the mark but it comforts them to feel superior.

Zardoz

2 years ago

Reply to Doug78

Inferiority complex?

Doug78

2 years ago

Reply to Zardoz

No, Oedipus Complex. Everyone on the coasts want to sleep with their mothers.

KidHorn

2 years ago

Reply to rktbrkr

I think the democrats plan to flood the country with migrants who will vote democratic has a good chance of backfiring on them. Not all Hispanics and blacks are the same. Migrants often have a different view than people who grew up here.

MarkraD

2 years ago

What about comparative wage growth?

Remembering Rick Perry’s “Texas miracle”, where TX boasted of it’s massive job growth after ’08 and it turned out they were all min wage jobs.

Dr Funkenstein

2 years ago

Reply to MarkraD

Remember when people were raving about Andrew Cuomo and he turned out to be a sexual predator who didn’t follow his own rules about Covid, killed 15,000 old people in nursing homes and has exploding crime rates?

MarkraD

2 years ago

Reply to Dr Funkenstein

Was there any wage growth?

vanderlyn

2 years ago

Reply to MarkraD

yup. it’s a land of BS artists. it’s amerika. i repeat.

Jojo

2 years ago

Sure but in 30 years FL will be mostly underwater and TX will be a desert.

Matt3

2 years ago

Reply to Jojo

Yep. That’s why FL ocean front property is now so cheap!

KidHorn

2 years ago

Reply to Jojo

Pretty sure Al Gore said the same thing 20 years ago.

TheCaptain

2 years ago

In any Ponzi there are some winners but mostly losers. The Global Debt Ponzi (GDP) that the US has been running is on its last legs. Keeping the GDP running was why DARPA covid was deployed. They needed political cover to print up 5-7 trillion new fakebux. AS SOON (I mean the very week) that Russia invaded Ukraine, the attention turned to that event because it was easier to use as a constant justification of new cash spend. A Ponzi of any kind constantly needs new funds to come in at the bottom of the pyramid in order to support all the many existing layers above it. At that very second where insufficient new money can be acquired, the Ponzi will collapse and very quickly, just like the Madoff Ponzi, just like all Ponzis in history. And a steady stream of cash will not do it. The spend has to accelerate at an exponential rate or the Global Debt Ponzi will go bust. When you hear about dems saying this or that will kill “democracy” that is code for “the Global Debt Ponzi”. All you have to do is look not at the absolute value of the US national debt but more importantly the exponential shape of the curve to know that it is destined to explode, and sooner than most people think is possible.

Zardoz

2 years ago

Reply to TheCaptain

Toot toot! Kook alert!

hhabana

2 years ago

Reply to TheCaptain

You are absolutely right. They spend on Ukraine and God knows all the other garbage, but they don’t pay for medications that are costly for their citizens. This is just one example of the corruption of the American system. I work in medical field for over 30 years and it’s pathetic what the medical/insurance system has become. Just a mafia to extract money. Then, you got morons here that believe that an illegal alien deserves free care over a citizen that is born here or legal immigrant. This moron would rather see you sell your house, car and anything of value before you get free care. Try paying for caregiving years on end. I got personal experience with that. You will sell everything to pay for someone to take care of you. The American government has subsidized their Empire building for decades and the end is coming. This pushing NATO on Russia’s borders is going to open up new stores of value. Never underestimate the creativity of human beings or the intellectual laziness of those who cannot consider other alternatives of value.

Lisa_Hooker

2 years ago

Reply to TheCaptain

Capt’n, you may be confusing a Ponzi scheme with the American Dream Multilevel Marketing scheme. That’s where you take cash from your friends and neighbors using some product gimmick to turn them into your downline, and try to convince them to do the same to their friends and neighbors. Kind of like getting elected to Public Office without the gimmick product.

Avery

2 years ago

https://brilliantmaps.com/2016-county-election-map/

Avery

2 years ago

Hi Mish. This country has been in a death spiral since before you left Danville.

Esclaro

2 years ago

When I moved to Texas in 1991 it was a wonderful place with a high quality of life. You never saw a homeless person because rents and real estate were so cheap. I bought a house in 1994 for $30k and people in California refused to believe that this was possible.

In the years since then, the state has gone completely downhill. Property taxes and insurance have skyrocketed. Violent crime is a constant problem even in good neighborhoods. There are homeless people everywhere. The utility grid is dysfunctional and unreliable. Public education at all levels is among the worst in the country. Traffic is in a constant state of gridlock because the infrastructure has not kept up with population growth.

Texas has become a dystopian nightmare – a collapsed state with a population seething with religious, racial and ethnic hatreds. You better pack a piece because everyone is carrying and they are ready to use it at the slightest provocation. Whenever I go out I am locked and loaded.

Captain Ahab

2 years ago

Reply to Esclaro

This is what happens when ‘woke’ takes over.

Zardoz

2 years ago

Reply to Captain Ahab

You don’t even know what woke means. You’re just parroting tucker to make yourself feel special.

Doug78

2 years ago

Reply to Zardoz

Tucker has got the astonishment and shock facial expression down pat. No matter who he is talking to he has that look on his face as if he is discovering it for the first time even though beforehand the taking points have already been decided upon. All media personalities have to be actors but I am really tired of his acting. He is an actor that can play only one role and plays it to death.

HippyDippy

2 years ago

Reply to Esclaro

I left Dallas in 2005, and you could see it coming even back then. The apartment complex I lived in was by springway (I think) and the tollway. Good location, and less than a mile from work. Started the run-up to the housing bubble in the early 2000s. Swapped my complex a dozen times in 2 years. Just flipping it. Went from a good blue collar neighborhood to drivebys in no time. In North Florida now. It has its own problems, but I’m done with cities. Too much government for me.

HippyDippy

2 years ago

Reply to HippyDippy

That was Spring Valley, not Springway. Been a while.

vanderlyn

2 years ago

Reply to HippyDippy

so you help ruin a nice place? newbie.

Casual_Observer2020

2 years ago

Reply to Esclaro

I grew up in Texas and left in 2001. Everytime I go back it’s like going to Los Angeles but worse. As my dad use to tell me you don’t want all the customers all the time. My parents still live there but they are getting long in the tooth.

vanderlyn

2 years ago

Reply to Casual_Observer2020

TX is a real dump. but i’d still be content there. life is good in rich world amerika for the past 80 years.

shamrock

2 years ago

I wonder if that will reverse now with the job winning states of the last few years moving on from economics to culture wars.

New York State is Losing Jobs to Florida and Texas at an Astonishing Clip

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