The SAVE Act is unconstitutional. Trump want to make it worse. Only fools think they know more than Thune.
I Support Voter ID
Let me start by saying I support voter ID. And I support the idea that only citizens should vote.
If that’s all the SAVE ACT did, I would support it. Unfortunately the SAVE Act is about illegal voter suppression of females and minorities.
And the Constitution leaves voting procedures up to states.
Yet suddenly, states rights MAGA supporters now want anything that Trump wants, including war.
Lie of the Day
Truth Social: THE SAVE AMERICA ACT is by far the most popular Bill of its kind ever put before Congress! President DJT
That is such obvious idiocy it’s hard to know what else to say.
Politico reports SAVE America Act is ‘No. 1 priority,’ Trump tells Republicans
Inflation, housing, jobs, and tariffs are all more important.
Of course, you can design a ridiculous poll equating “voter ID” with the SAVE act and get different results.
But let’s dig into the lies.
“It will guarantee the midterms,” Trump told lawmakers gathered at his golf resort. “If you don’t get it, big trouble, my opinion.”
[That’s lie #2. It wouldn’t guarantee anything.]
But Trump asked the gathered lawmakers to add in provisions curbing mail voting and targeting transgender rights — even it means abandoning the remainder of their legislative agenda before the November elections.
“Let’s go for the gold,” he said. “It’s actually a matter in a serious way of national survival. We can’t have these elections going on like this anymore.”
“They have to get it done,” he said of the Senate. “If it takes you six months — I’m for not approving anything. … I don’t think we should approve anything until this is approved.”
[That’s lie #3. This will fail and Trump will pass other legislation]
Trump also endorsed a push by some House Republican hard-liners to attach a must-pass spy powers extension to the SAVE America legislation in a bid to pass both together — creating a nightmare for House GOP leaders who already face obstacles passing either bill.
Go for the Gold Stupidity
Adding miscellaneous nonsense to the bill would make it harder to pass.
If the bill was simple two things: “An ID to vote” and “Only Citizens Could Vote” it might have a chance.
But look inside. It’s not at all about voter ID. I have discussed this before.
Save Act Background
The Safeguard American Voter Eligibility (SAVE) Act is federal legislation that would amend the National Voter Registration Act (NVRA) to require individuals to provide documentary proof of U.S. citizenship—such as a passport, birth certificate, or certain REAL ID-compliant documents—when registering to vote in federal elections.
States would be prohibited from accepting registration applications without this proof, and the bill includes provisions for alternative processes, voter roll purges, and penalties for non-compliance.
The act requires the voter ID to be the same as their birth certificate.
This places an extraordinary burden on women who would need a birth certificate and a marriage certificate to register to vote. Multiple divorces and remarriage is particularly problematic.
The act would be unconstitutional for three reasons.
1. Congress Lacks Authority to Impose Voter Qualifications.
The U.S. Constitution delegates the power to set voter qualifications—such as age, residency, and citizenship—to the states, with limited federal overrides via amendments (e.g., the 15th, 19th, and 26th Amendments prohibiting discrimination based on race, sex, or age).
The SAVE Act’s proof-of-citizenship requirement effectively establishes a new national qualification for voting by mandating documentation that verifies citizenship status, which exceeds Congress’s role under the Elections Clause. This clause allows Congress to regulate procedural aspects like how elections are conducted, but not who is eligible to participate.
In Arizona v. Inter Tribal Council of Arizona (2013), the Supreme Court struck down a similar state-level proof-of-citizenship requirement for federal elections, ruling it conflicted with the NVRA’s simpler attestation process.
By amending the NVRA to impose such a requirement nationwide, the SAVE Act is overreach.
2. Violation of the National Voter Registration Act and Supremacy Clause Issues
Although the SAVE Act seeks to amend the NVRA, it would conflict with the NVRA’s original intent to streamline registration and reduce barriers.
The NVRA requires only a sworn attestation of citizenship under penalty of perjury, and courts have invalidated stricter state measures as preempted by federal law.
Kansas’s similar proof-of-citizenship law, for instance, was ruled unconstitutional after blocking over 30,000 eligible voters.
The SAVE Act’s nationwide mandate could be seen as an end-run around these rulings, potentially violating the Supremacy Clause by forcing states to adopt federal standards that disrupt their own election administration without clear constitutional justification. This preemption of state processes, including online and mail-in registration, would impose unfunded burdens on local officials and expose them to legal risks, further straining the federal-state balance.
3. Undue Burden on the Fundamental Right to Vote
Voting is a fundamental right protected by the First and Fourteenth Amendments, and laws imposing severe burdens must survive strict scrutiny—meaning they must be narrowly tailored to a compelling government interest.
The SAVE Act would disenfranchise millions of eligible citizens who lack easy access to required documents.
Estimates suggest 21 million Americans don’t have readily available proof of citizenship, with disproportionate impacts on women (due to name changes), low-income voters, rural residents, students, older adults, and minorities.
Requiring in-person submission and excluding common IDs like student or state-issued cards adds barriers, potentially amounting to a modern poll tax if obtaining documents incurs costs (violating the 24th Amendment).
Non-citizen voting is already illegal and exceedingly rare (e.g., audits in Georgia and elsewhere found negligible instances), so the Act’s burdens far outweigh any demonstrated need, failing constitutional tests under cases like Anderson v. Celebrezze (1983).
Federal Power Grab On Voting Still Flunks Basic Civics Test
CATO reports Federal Power Grab On Voting Still Flunks Basic Civics Test
The Framers greatly feared that a president or ruling national faction might someday gain power over the administration of elections. The Constitution guards against this danger by placing primary responsibility for elections with the states, subject to a rulemaking power that Congress has wisely used sparingly. The proposed SAVE Act, which passed the House yesterday, and the broader MEGA Act would impose rash, perhaps even unworkable, new rules while arming the president with dangerous new powers to harass and menace localities and officials whose decisions on election administration are not to his liking.
There’s nothing wrong with voter ID—most states use it, generally with good results. But the SAVE Act and MEGA Act have little to do with that issue. They are fueled by alarms about supposedly widespread noncitizen voting and voter impersonation that simply aren’t borne out by the evidence. Their new demands for documentary proof of citizenship (DPOC) go beyond what almost any state has chosen to enact voluntarily and would impose serious burdens on both qualified citizen voters and administrators.
The bills expose local administrators to a risk of imprisonment if they fail to tick the right boxes even when no unqualified person in fact registers or votes. The new rules would take effect immediately, requiring states to set aside existing preparations for the 2026 elections and scramble to train staff and revamp data systems on the fly. They would abolish all-mail electoral systems that are popular out West, requiring many qualified, US-born voters to pay repeated visits to a distant county office if they hope to stay on the rolls. The acts give the federal government new powers of prosecution and discretionary regulation that would be highly susceptible to misuse, as well as empowering busybody or ideologically motivated private citizens to sue.
There’s more. The bill would force states to turn over voter rolls to these same federal overseers notwithstanding serious privacy concerns and the high chance of misuse. The broader MEGA Act even reaches out to ban the use of ranked-choice voting for federal races in states such as Alaska and Maine, even though there is zero evidence that such voting has caused any election integrity problems in those states. While election reform is most likely to endure when done with bipartisan support, the bills are, at this point, almost a purely partisan play.
Kansas SAFE Act
- The Law: The Secure and Fair Elections (SAFE) Act originally required new voters to provide documents proving U.S. citizenship, a measure led by former Secretary of State Kris Kobach.
- Court Decision: In 2018, a federal judge ruled the law violated the National Voter Registration Act and the 14th Amendment, and it was deemed an “unconstitutional burden on voting rights”. The 10th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld this in 2020.
- Impact: The law created significant hurdles for eligible voters, with over 31,000 people (roughly 1 in 10 applicants) unable to complete their registration.
- Current Legislative Action: As of early 2026, Kansas Republicans are pursuing new measures to require proof of citizenship on driver’s licenses to mark them as legal status.
And the Supreme Court already struck down an Arizona proof-of-citizenship requirement.
On March 4, I discussed Three Reasons the Save Act Is Unconstitutional
Please note that I do not have to be right on all three reasons.
The court would strike the bill if I am right on one of them.
And I am sure the court would strike it.
Pressure on Thune
It’s easy for clowns to tell Senate Majority Leader John Thune what to do.
And if you read the amazing Sh*tShow on X, it’s likely the #1 topic, from two groups of people: Purposeful liars, and ignorant people who believe this is about voter ID.
Equating This to Cigarettes
Stop the Postutring
I was never posturing. I have always supported voted ID and only citizens voting.
Understanding the Issue
More Understanding
SAVE Act Scam
Grok Agrees
Republican Congressman Agrees
Save Act Would Disenfranchise Citizens
By the way, that is on purpose.
Non-Workable
Again, this is on purpose.
Purposeful Lies
Correct Thinking
“USA Patriot Act is most unpatriotic act in US history. Great Big Beautiful Bill is a grotesque monstrosity. Freedom Act legalized surveillance on US citizens. Affordable Care Act caused prices to skyrocket.”
An Amusing Observation
I don’t know the percentages but that is certainly the correct idea.
Thune vs Musk
People think it’s that easy because clowns like Elon Musk say it is.
But please consider the Politico report Thune eyes action on SAVE America Act next week — without a ‘talking filibuster’
Senate Majority Leader John Thune is aiming to take action on a GOP-only election bill next week — without pursuing a longshot procedural gambit advocated by some Republican hard-liners.
The decision, confirmed by four people granted anonymity to disclose private strategy, will bring a monthslong, increasingly vitriolic fight among Republicans to a head.
Elon Musk and prominent MAGA influencers have waged an intense social media pressure campaign against Thune and other members of his conference, seeking a way to skirt Democratic opposition to the SAVE America Act by forcing a “talking filibuster.”
But the four people said it will come up under the usual 60-vote threshold, meaning it will fail given the united Democratic opposition to the bill. Thune, they said, is expected to set up some amendment votes and a prolonged debate to allow senators to speak at length on the bill.
Subjecting the bill to the typical 60-vote legislative filibuster isn’t a surprising outcome, but it will mark the official rejection of an attempt by Utah Sen. Mike Lee and his allies to get Republicans to embrace the talking filibuster, which would force Democrats to hold the floor in order to block the bill.
Thune, however, said Tuesday there is not enough support within the Senate GOP to go down that road. Besides forcing days of debate on the underlying bill, Democrats could offer unlimited amendments and procedural gambits that could derail the Senate floor for months.
Thune rejects Trump on SAVE Act: ‘The votes aren’t there for a talking filibuster’
The Hill reports Thune rejects Trump on SAVE Act: ‘The votes aren’t there for a talking filibuster’
Senate Majority Leader John Thune (R-S.D.) on Tuesday bluntly rejected President Trump’s call to pass the Safeguard American Voter Eligibility (SAVE) Act by forcing Democrats to deploy a talking filibuster to oppose it, stating “the votes aren’t there for a talking filibuster.”
Thune poured water on the proposal to make it tougher for Democrats to block the legislation, which would require people to show documented proof of citizenship to register to vote, by requiring them to actively hold the Senate floor in debate.
“The votes aren’t there, one, to nuke the filibuster, and the votes aren’t there for a talking filibuster. It’s just a reality,” Thune said Tuesday. “I’m the person who has to deliver sometimes the not-so-good news that the math doesn’t add up, but those are the facts and there’s no getting around it.”
Trump has threatened not to sign into law any bills passed by Congress, with the possible exception of legislation to fund the Department of Homeland Security, until the Senate approves the SAVE Act.
Thune on the Talking Filibuster
Please note Thune: Talking filibuster ‘more complicated and risky’ than people realize
Senate Majority Leader John Thune sent a warning shot Monday over the talking filibuster, saying the procedural playcall is “way more complicated” than many supporters realize.
“This particular approach in terms of the process is much more complicated and risky than people are assuming at the moment,” Thune told reporters, cautioning that a talking filibuster without forcing through a formal rules change — for which there aren’t the votes — could take up months of Senate floor time.
Part of the pitch from Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) and his allies has been that Republicans could force Democrats into a talking filibuster without having to officially change the Senate rules or precedents. Thune reiterated Monday that formally nuking the legislative filibuster is “not going to happen.”
“The one thing I’ve said all along and I’ve told him and others — that I can’t guarantee an outcome,” Thune said, referring to Trump. “I can’t guarantee a result if the result is only achieved by nuking the legislative filibuster. We don’t have the votes to do that, and so that’s just not a realistic option, and I’ve made that clear to anybody who’s asked.”
But a significant number of GOP senators are also skeptical of a talking filibuster even without changing the Senate’s rules. Some believe the gambit would permanently weaken the 60-vote legislative filibuster. Others think the procedural option being floated by Lee and others is unworkable because it would let Democrats bog down the floor and potentially hijack the bill for any proposal for which they could get at least 50 votes.
“The process and how you ultimately try and get a result is still unclear to me based on all the research we’ve done,” Thune said Monday about invoking a talking filibuster, adding that conversations are still ongoing within the conference about the process.
The Wall Street Journal editorial board comments …
Some on the right are saying the easy solution is to demand a talking filibuster. The idea seems to be that Democrats would quickly tire of reading the dictionary aloud for the C-Span camera, and then the GOP could move to pass the legislation. Yet given the chamber’s rules, this vision is a mirage.
The reality is that Democratic Senators could take turns giving interminable speeches. Cory Booker last year went 25 hours all by himself. Meantime, Republicans would have to keep most of their Senators handy at all times, ready to answer a quorum call, meaning it would turn into an endless GOP campout. Bring your pajamas, toothbrush, and CPAP machine.
Democrats could offer amendments that either undermine the bill’s intent or put swing-state Republicans on the spot. Raise the minimum wage? Extend ObamaCare subsidies? What else?
The MAGA base loves the idea that Republicans could achieve everything they want, if only their leaders would fight harder, somehow. It isn’t true. If it were, Democrats would have done it already—and they’d certainly copy the maneuver next time to pass far more transformational bills than the SAVE America Act.
And for what? The damn bill is unconstitutional!
Nuking the Filibuster
Nuking the filibuster would be idiotic. But there aren’t votes anyway.
That I am sure of.
I will accept Thune’s explanation there are not votes for a talking filibuster either.
If you disagree, then please enlighten us as to what you know that Thune doesn’t.
It’s easy for clowns to make demands when they don’t understand the process, or the risks.
By the way, that’s how you start idiotic wars as well.
But flash back to Senator Joe Manchin and Kristen Simema’s refusals to to nuke the filibuster. It would have backfired into passage of this. So be careful of what you wish.
Regardless, it would be an exercise in stupidity because I am sure the Supreme Court would strike it.
Questions of the Day
Q: How can you be sure the Supreme Court would strike it?
A: Because it is clearly unconstitutional for reasons stated. Similar measures have already been stricken!
Q: Where are the votes?
A: Three liberals and Chief Justice Roberts make four. Add Barrett or Gorsuch or both.
Q: Isn’t that the group of 6 that struck down Trump’s idiotic reciprocal tariffs?
A: Yes
Q: Mish, did you call that one?
A: Yes, all six even before Supreme Court oral arguments.
Again, let me point out I do not have to be right on all three of my reasons. Any one of them would do.
To repeat, I am 100 percent with CATO.
“There’s nothing wrong with voter ID—most states use it, generally with good results. But the SAVE Act and MEGA Act have little to do with that issue.”
I am confident of this. And that’s another reason it would be foolish for Thune to push it.
Related Posts
January 1, 2026: Fearless Predictions, Ten Key Events to Expect in 2026
#1: Trump will Lose His Supreme Court Battle on Reciprocal Tariffs
Expect a 6-3 margin against Trump, possibly 7-2. I rate this a 75 percent chance.
Then If he loses, then there is about a 60 percent chance of at least some of the money will have to be refunded.
Trump will moan the SC is killing the best economy in history. He will also say that the ruling will have no impact at all. This is illogical of course, but seriously, expect both statements.
Trump will pursue other avenues of doing the same things with mixed success (using the word success in terms of what Trump wants, not what’s good for the country).
#2: Trump will Lose His Supreme Court Battle on Birthright Citizenship
Expect a 7-2 vote against Trump. 9-0 would not be a surprise.
I rate this a 90 percent chance.
#3: Trump will lose his Supreme Court battle over the right to fire Fed governor Lisa Cook.
Expect a 6-3 vote against Trump. I rate this a 80 percent chance.
#4: AI will have minimal impact in 2026
There will be some job losses. And some speculation fails. But don’t any extreme job losses or huge numbers of AI-related bankruptcies. Extreme events are unlikely.
I rate this an 75 percent chance.
#5: Tariffs Will Bite
Businesses that can will pass along more costs. In contrast to AI, we will see job losses mount.
Small business bankruptcies soar.
Trump will blame Biden, the Fed, and the Supreme Court for everything bad that happens.
I rate this an 80 percent chance.
Note: Tariffs are biting and Trump is still pressing the matter. He will lose again but will prevail on some of the worst ones like steel.
February 20, 2026: Supreme Court Strikes Trump’s Reciprocal Tariffs In 6-3 Vote (I Told You So)
Read that and follow my rationale. Again, I called this by Justice before the Supreme Court oral arguments.
Same rationale applies here: Start with three liberals, add Chief Justice Roberts, and find one more vote.
Gorsuch and Barrett are easy picks and you only need one.
In this case, Congress cannot usurp powers that were Constitutionally given to states. Gorsuch, a textualist, is a very strong candidate to go along.
Yes, it’s that easy. And it’s equally clear this is not about voter ID.
As for Senator Mike Lee, he is another Trump suck-up talking his book. He’s just like all the people telling me how wrong I would be on tariffs, on Lisa Cook, and on Birthright Citizenship.
I will soon be right on those cases. How soon? As soon as the Court rules.
By the way, the Court could easily strike even the simple law I proposed.
The SAVE Act Is Dead
As written, the SAVE Act is obvious garbage. And Trump wants still more garbage added to the bill.
When it fails, blame Trump. Not me. Not Thune.
Trump will blame Republicans getting killed in the Midterms on the SAVE Act. He needs to blame himself.
Idiotic tariffs, Gestapo tactics on deportations, ICE murders, inflation, health care, jobs, rising oil prices, Epstein, and an idiotic war after promising to stay out of wars will cause the debacle.
Take your pick from that list. I think they are all true.
The SAVE Act failure will not have a damn thing to do with the pending disaster.
If Trump is seriously stupid enough to make an Executive Order out of this, the courts would strike it within a week. And if the Supreme Court even took the case, it would be against Trump.
Addendum
I wish Thune or any Republican would end this by stating the obvious: It’s unconstitutional
Can’t wait for this damn vote to be over
Addendum
The entire unconstitutional effort is to disenfranchise women voters and minorities, and not just in Alaska.
The Supreme Court would reject this proposal if it passed.
I do not understand the complaint that the save act would place an undo burden on voters. In CT we have to present a voter ID and no one has complained. Also, every one has a full year to register, if that is an imposition they should not bother voting.
Republicans/MAGA please answer: For years you said you wanted term limits and balanced federal budgets, what happened?
If I were an American, I would pretty definitely qualify as MAGA/Republican, so I’ll answer this.
I don’t want term limits. I don’t understand why some people think this is a good idea. The politicians aren’t the government: the government is the soldiers (men who live by force) and the priests (people who live by deception). Politicians are BROKERS who stand between the government and us. Some of them are captured by the priests, and some of them think they are priests, but they are more likely to be the less experienced ones. The capable ones who manage to keep winning elections are likely to be on our side, at least to some degree.
I certainly do want balanced federal budgets, but this is a bit like Augustine’s plea: “Please, Lord, make me chaste, but not yet.” I can understand Trump wanting a free hand to straighten things out. I assume that is how he sees it. I don’t think it can be straightened out, but he has certainly done more already than I thought possible. Maybe we haven’t yet degenerated to the point where democracy becomes unworkable. We’ll see.
Iran could land as many amphibious vehicles on California beaches as they would want. Everyone would be given a $2000 cash card, free housing, a SNAP card, free transportation to anywhere they want to go, a driver’s license, and automatic enrollment as a voter. Not joking. It would be “discriminatory”, and illegal in California, to check for IDs, or turn them away.
Bullshit.
Dude, this is exactly what was happening before Trump became president. It’s documented across a slew of Democrat generated mainstream media articles from 2021 through 2024.
It was actually worse than this, because I forgot to mention free medical, free phones, free monthly minutes for the free phones, etc. , etc. , etc. The illegal immigrants were getting no-doc $25,000 loans to start businesses with their fake names they claimed at the border, while black Americans were being turned away from those same SBA loans. It was definitely a low point in American history.
PS Don’t believe me? Watch this gut-wrenching video:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jgk8L2lo4oA&pp=ygUcQmxhY2sgd29tYW4gbG9zZXMgZm9vZCB0cnVjaw%3D%3D
The travesty of the Biden presidency, all of it, never should have happened.
Thank you, President Biden, for driving shelter inflation sky high, with your supply shock of eight+ million illegal immigrants crossing the border, effectively all at once. Thank you for my rent now being 40% higher than what it otherwise would have been. You did future generations an enormous favor, by wrecking our country with irresponsible economic actions. Glad the Democrats will do everything in their power to continue along this path, no matter the cost.
OMG a YouTube video by some anguished kook. I’m convinced!
How about links to the aforementioned articles, dipshit?
Cant find them all of a sudden?
It’s clear your feelings are easily hurt. I would advise you to stop spreading bullshit if you don’t want them hurt again.
You’re pure evil.
Boo! Gonna getcha!
Talk your way past this video, I dare you:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vaNxEtynDIE
Great source… two randos screeching outrage at each other.
That’s easily the dumbest retort I’ve fielded this week.
So the complainer in chief wasn’t so worried about cheating in 2016 and he won. But when he lost well, there had to be cheating. But then he won again, so it was too big to rig. Remember the school yard bully who lost and said he was cheated? Yeh, it’s that simple. Trump is the school yard bully with the mental age of about 7 or 8. But when the mid-terms are over I will see your voter ID and raise you a rank choice voting and public funding option, in all 50 states. And then watch the uniparty shit their pants when the results are in. Could that legislation actually pass? Not as long as the uniparty exists. Which is why the people need to do an end around and call for state’s conventions. Apparently they were more the norm once, but there hasn’t been one in the last 40 years. There are number of activist organizations out there. They just need to reach critical mass.
https://statecourtreport.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/state-constitutional-conventions-explained
Trump is simply scared of a blue wave election. And the way things are going, he has good reasons to be scared. That leaves him with two options: (1) cancellation of the midterms; or (2) repression of the Democratic vote. I agree with the view that if he fails on (2), he will move to implement (1). This is a person who tried to keep power through a coup on J6; why would he hesitate trying another coup?
LOL his “SAVE” act is more likely to have a negative impact on republican voters in rural areas than democratic voters in urban areas.
But Mish my dear friend, it’s not intended to pass! It’s an insane set of demands that is designed to fail so he can say the midterms are invalid and he’s president for life. It’s not hard to read moves when they’re this telegraphed.
I predict when he declares “President for Life” that time span is very short.
86/47 25th, impeach or God which ever is quick and permanent.
Mish, it’s good to see you giving one politician (Thune) credit for being conscientious about his job.
Politicians should in my view be described as brokers, because their job is to stand between the government and its prey. Many of them unfortunately see themselves as priests (people who live by deception) and act in the interests of the priesthood (judges, journalists, and teachers).
I hope Trump and Thune manage to do a deal.
Republicans feel that they must suppress voter turnout, and in doing so, they believe that such suppression efforts will disproportionately impact turnout among Democrats. Furthermore, the gaslighting of the public, with the Save Act polls showing over 80%, is, of course, disingenuous. There is not really any non-partisan polling on the contents of the proposed legislation; instead, most polling related to the legislation is on select parts of the legislation, such as “do you want illegals voting?” “Should voters prove their identity to vote?”
In black culture 75% of the women dont’t marry. In White culture 43% of the women don’t marry—So no need for a marriage certificate only a bith certificate
Or a valid and up to date KKK card for folks like you.
Mish, your reasoning is suspect on points 1 & 2.
There is no state that doesn’t on paper require citizenship to vote in federal elections. I don’t think it is unconstitutional for the Federal govt to require some level of proof of that existing citizenship requirement. People who have broken the law by breaking into the country (& then are rewarded with a driver’s license and welfare) would have no qualms about lying about citizenship, rightly perceiving the incredible unlikeliness of a penalty.
Re Violation of the National Voter Registration Act and Supremacy Clause Issues: NVRA is a statute which the Save Act would change. And needs to. NVRA stupidly makes it hard for states to verify citizenship. So the reasoning about supremacy disappears.
Can we get a stupidity clause?
I would prefer if people that think liek you were unable to vote due to incorrect usage of mind.
Ad hominem attacks imply an inability to give a reasoned counter argument, Nate.
You lose – Re-Read my post
So Trump has the traffic in downtown Cincinnati AT A STANDSTILL for hours while he spouts off about some health insurance nonsense. I’m sure Jarod is right on it.
He’s really there to support the stooge he put up against Massie across the bridge in Kentucky.
Does the stooge really stand a chance of winning?!
“A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims… but accomplices”
― George Orwell
Looking at Bush I, Clinton, Bush II, Obama, Trump, & Biden…not one American in a thousand knows 6 people personally who are such sorry lying vermin as these 6 individuals. Not 1 American in 100,000 knows 6 individuals who have ordered the murder of thousands of innocent women and children in their stupid wars, as ALL SIX of these have.
I voted for a couple of them because I believed their lies. (And I’ve paid the price with the loot the taxman has taken from me to pay for all these wars, not one of which I would have voted for.)
I suspect Orwell never imagined the manipulative power of the Epstein class that rules our oligarchy. That ruling class (of which CIA-Zionists are the top dog) assiduously filters out any virtuous people from getting anywhere close to power. Just blaming on US citizens for being the sheep they are probably isn’t fair.
Interest rates are rising across the board as the Trump disaster continues.
What should we expect from a far right administration that protects pedophiles?
War = Debt
BBB = Debt
ICE = Debt
Tax giveaways for large corporations = Debt
And now Trump is threatening the west coast with false flag drone attacks…
Of course the Strait of Hormuz remains closed because there are no targets left.
What a pack of liars the Republicans are: I am ashamed to have been a Republican, they transformed into something that makes Democrats look good!
“I am ashamed to have been a Republican”
If only you had listened.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRndMiVIB-w
More private equity blowing up. Cliffwater latest one.
Where is the shame in being an ignorant?
The Ignorami is destroying civilization. Ignoramuses can no longer be tolerated.
We are in the nuclear age with multiple types of weaponry that could easily wipe out 90% or more of all life on Earth in a very short time. Ignorance in leadership is not a luxury the human race can afford. Unfortunately, it is the arrogant billionaire class and narcissistic leadership class that are building luxury bomb shelters to insure that they survive to repopulate the Earth. But who knows? I have found Ai to be incredibly resourceful when querying for information. It offers great learning opportunities to all, and especially young people, so long as the minders keep it honest. Perhaps the competing Ai models can keep an eye on each other. At least until they realize there is strength in numbers…
Its not about changing the voter rules. Its about sowing enough confusion to justify voiding the election results so trump his cronies can keep power.
It’s about intimidating women, minorities, and immigrants (groups that overwhelmingly dislike Trump) and encouraging them not to vote by creating lots of new hurdles that don’t apply to white men.
Trump is pretty transparent in what he does.
… and giving all the identified vote data to the Department of Homeland Security, so that they know who to put in the prisons they’ve built in empty big box stores.
This used to be tinfoil hat stuff.
Trump, our pedophile party president always lies.
Any questions?
Yes, how is the surge in fertilizer prices impacting your farming community?
It is not impacting me personally because I have been building my soils using surprisingly available organics. The few fertilizers and herbicides I use have already been purchased and stored properly.
That said, the farms that are in financial failure that I am preparing to purchase would be in deeper trouble if they have to finance the fertilizer, diesel, seed, irrigation and herbicide inputs for this coming season. Those farms are failing because of depleted soils from years of corn and some soy production.
It will take me a full two years to distribute stockpiled and newly acquired organics plus cover crops that will build the soils to a profile that holds moisture and contains the dissolved nutrients I prefer for highly value added crops.
Farms surrounding me are going to get hurt as corn/soy monocultures.
The sooner you can turn that land around, the better. There is a good chance that a lot of people will go hungry in the next few years. If you have something to sell during that interval, you’ll make bank.
Trump is fighting to save democracy.
That’s the dumbest shit I heard today… so far. Disclaimer since it’s possible you might reply.
Yeah, nothing buttresses democracy more than running on “I won’t start a war” and then starting one against a country that doesn’t threaten us and didn’t do anything to us. Thank God for voting.
I thought he was fighting to stay out of jail for abusing minor age girls.
Bibi had intelligence that Gaza had miles of tunnels filled with weapons under the streets a year before the attack. Why did he wait??? I believe Bibi was due to testify again right around the time bombing started in Iran began. All I’m saying is endless wars have a way of galvanizing people and delaying bureaucracy and eventual justice.
The only reason anyone lacks confidence in election results is because they have bought into Trump’s lies. He repeats the fear of noncitizens voting so much that his sheep think it is a real thing. Trump wants to discourage and make it more difficult for women, minorities and students to vote because they vote overwhelmingly Democratic.
Is that so? I do not give a rats ass what Trump says about it. But maybe look at this, which is only a teeny tiny bit of the fraud
https://x.com/TheSCIF/status/2031774093205238162?s=20
Lol.
– DOZENS of noncitizens casting ballots illegally
Dozens of bad ballots in 16 states? Lol.
Well, it hurts his feelings. Don’t be a meanie.
Fraud? Really? Well you did get the teeny tiny right. So she found dozens of non-citizens who voted. Well in some districts non-citizens are allowed to vote in municipal elections, typically for which they have an interest, like education. He did not specify. And over what range of time did these dozens of non-citizens vote? He did not specify. He did note exactly ONE person who has been indicted. As Mish noted there were more than 1,000,000,000 (that is one billion) votes cast in the last 20 years. But let’s say there were 10 dozen bad votes in 16 states in one election. That would be 7.5 votes per STATE. As for 100,000 dead people on voter rolls, did any of them actually vote? Divide 16 into 100,000 and you get 6250/state. An average state has 2-3 million voters? Same applies for 10,000 non-citizens on voter rolls. That could be from errors in automatic registration I’m guessing. It could also occur due to similar names with eligible voters. Did any of them actually vote? Elections have never been perfect. In 2000, 20,000 eligible voters were disenfranchised in Miami-Dade County because voter rolls were “purged” in some way that people who showed up were turned away when their name did not “precisely” match what was on the roll. Would an ID have changed that particular situation? I’m sure many presented some sort of ID. Why they did not receive provisional ballots I don’t know. But the governor was the GOP candidate’s brother. Then again Florida was a complete F’up in so many other ways. But that was 2000. Sure, let’s have voter ID, down the road. Right now you/they are making a mountain out of a mole hill without any evidence that the course of recent events would have been any different. And as for Harmeet Dhillon, she was sworn in by Bimbo Bondie who is complicit in covering up a massive pedophile operation. I assume Dhillon is simply another talking parrot like all of Trump’s bimbo picks. He can always count on the ladies’ loyalties. How the hell you can trust people like that I cannot phathom. You seem to be under the impression that where there is smoke there is fire. But not every spark becomes a wildfire.
He hasn’t gotten rid of all the non-citizens yet? It’s been over a year.
Do you think it is important that people have confidence in election results?
Because right now, anyone with a brain has near ZERO confidence
And the result of that is societal breakdown and eventually civil war. Is that what you want?
Well then something like the SAVE Act is necessary. Let the SCOTUS decide what elements are constitutional and which are not
And Thune is a disgusting RINO traitor, as are more than half of the GOP in the Senate
My guess is the Republic is now over. Much of the destruction took place in the prior puppet administration
Can the country be saved? I place the odds at less than 50%
The only reason anyone lacks confidence in election results is because they have bought into Trump’s lies. He repeats the fear of noncitizens voting so much that his sheep think it is a real thing. Trump just wants to discourage and make it more difficult for women, minorities and students to vote because they vote overwhelmingly Democratic.
Yeah I am guessing you are a blob commenter. Read the link I put in your other BS comment above
And look at the link thumbs up and down here at the formerly good mishtalk. ALL traitors now apparently
No, we just ran off most of the dipshits. You won’t be able to hack it either, and will inevitably return to safe spaces that don’t allow your idiotic lies to be countered.
Mish’ article provides all the reasons you need to see that voter fraud is remarkably rare. If you want to argue against the numbers provided that would be interesting, but until a convincing argument is put forward we can safely conclude that voter fraud is not an issue in the USA. Trust is, because people believe Trump’s lies.
i have confidence as does anyone who cares for facts over conspiratorial nonsense that has been disproven. did you read the article you are commenting on?
Then you are just an ignorant person
You are hilarious, with your angry, squeaky little voice!
Its almost cute.
What flavor Kool-Aid is Trumps handler Fox News serving up today?
WMD’s. ~ Lies
Election fraud ~ Lies
Iran has nuc’s ~ Lies
Did you grow up as a bully like Trump? Did you have to rape a 6th grader because YOU pulled her hair?
Mary was not a virgin, that’s why they call it the “Immaculate Deception”.
Another ignorant person
Fox News is part of the Blob and violently anti-Trump except for a few personalities
Fox News was against Trump’s purported non-interventionism. Pretty sure they love him now that’s gone along with the Deep State’s long-planned war on Iran. I don’t watch Fox, but I know that lummox Hannity thinks this war is going great.
One thing for sure, if you look at Fox, you’re gonna see some nice tiddies. Sex and rage are an irresistible combo.
Hannity is, as Michael Savage says, a wallbanger. He should go back to banging on walls. Would love to send him and his entire family to the Middle East to fight all these wars he cheerleads for.
BS. look on the website. they totaly donwplay any and all negative news and spin it positively. All they’ve had on is people who say how great the iran attack is.
when the news can’t be spun, they bury it leading with nonsense deluge of stories trying to make dems look bad.
The only people who lack confidence in our elections are the same people who lack IQ and believe the lies about our election security, over the word of our courts, judges, and election officials.
Be honest, you are an elderly white male who doesn’t like that the future doesn’t look like it will treat you as anything special just because of the circumstances of your birth. Or some weird Russian troll.
Well ignorant one. My IQ is 150. And I have done hundreds of hours of research on it.
So here is a word for you. Seppuku please
Reminds me of this classic:
https://youtu.be/pRJ8CrTSSR0
lol! 150. Did you actually pay for the result on that facebook IQ test?
If this is a bot, send more. I love the aggrieved genius schtick.
Lol 😂 😂 😂
In other words,I hit the nail on the head about your status as an aggrieved boomer male deep in his victimhood.
I know plenty of “intelligent”, educated people who are drinking the cool aid by the gallon, every day. They don’t lack IQ. They lack EQ. When you have some genuine EQ you can cut through the BS spin and evaluate the spinner. Trump is a well known pathological liar with serious narcissism. Unfortunately, having considerable experience with these people, they are simply not to be trusted. People under the spell tell me I just don’t like his policies. True, but how can you believe what he says about his policies? Mish pointed out all the things he’s NOT talking about that ARE in this bill. And others here have pointing out the same about his other polices/legislation. His “good faith” word isn’t worn out, it was never there. Unfortunately, too many people have realized it too late.
The biggest step we can take toward confidence in election results is voter ID – not because there is much voter impersonation but because the requirement for voter ID reduces plausible deniability for any election worker inclined to stuff the ballot box after the polls have closed. Requiring proof of citizenship would eliminate a few invalid votes, but very few – while being overly onerous for the reasons Mish has written. So, now we won’t even get voter ID – the far more important facet of electoral integrity. The “perfect” is the enemy of the good.
It wouldn’t put an end to any of the screeching, none of them understand how it all works in the first place. Address one conspiracy, and they’ll come up with another one. Reality has absolutely no effect. It’s like playing whack-a-loon.
The Republic has been over for a long time. It started with Alexander Hamilton and the mercantilist system he tried to get Washington to set up, as well as the 1st central bank and convincing Washington to use federal troops to put down the Whiskey Rebellion. And the.demise has continued apace ever since.
You may be correct, why not get out now and leave the declining state to the rest of us poor smucks?
If that is what you truly think. Go on, get out, we won’t miss you.
Don’t believe this is a surprise to anyone paying attention.