Trump is suddenly worried about “impossible to replace hotel workers”.
Trump on Truth Social
Truth Social: Our great Farmers and people in the Hotel and Leisure business have been stating that our very aggressive policy on immigration is taking very good, long time workers away from them, with those jobs being almost impossible to replace. In many cases the Criminals allowed into our Country by the VERY Stupid Biden Open Borders Policy are applying for those jobs. This is not good. We must protect our Farmers, but get the CRIMINALS OUT OF THE USA. Changes are coming!
I Told You So
I wonder what the suck-ups, deport them all economic clowns, and bigots will have to say about this I told you so.
Well strike that. I know what the bigots will say and that is still deport them all. Bigots are what they are.
The Trump Is never wrong suck-ups will seemingly have a more difficult time, but I know how that goes: He was right then and right now and there never was an issue because this was a somehow a brilliant 5D move.
Some suck-ups will deal with the issue by pretending it never happened. From them, expect silence. Even if they think Trump is wrong they will never say so.
The vocal economic Trumpian clowns will have the toughest time.
The Softer Side of Trump
On November, 11. 2014, the Wall Street Journal discussed Trump’s Mass Deportation Promise
Speaking Monday on Fox News, Mr. Homan said the priority will be “public-safety threats and national-security threats,” as well as migrants who “had due process” and “their federal judge said ‘you must go home,’ and they didn’t.”
Good to hear, and add what Mr. Homan told “60 Minutes” last month. “It’s not going to be a mass sweep of neighborhoods,” he said.
Instead he said Mr. Trump’s plan would involve “targeted arrests,” and eventually “worksite enforcement operations.” If officers making an arrest also find an undocumented grandma in the house, will they detain her? “It depends,” Mr. Homan said. “Let the judge decide.”
Some of Mr. Trump’s advisers, including Mr. Miller, have talked about mass deportation in sweeping terms. But enforcement priorities are up to the President, and Mr. Trump has suggested he isn’t interested in illegal grandmothers.
“We have a lot of good people in this country, and we have to do something about it,” Mr. Trump said. “This has been going on for a long time. It’s a complicated subject.” He declined to specify whom he’d deport: “I don’t want to go too much into clarification, because the nicer I become, the more people that come over illegally.” Yet after stringent talk about deterrence, he ended with nuance: “There are some human questions that get in the way of being perfect, and we have to have the heart, too.”
And in December …
Trump said in a recent interview with NBC, that he wanted to work with Democrats to come up with legislation to protect Dreamers, immigrants in the U.S. illegally who were brought as children, from deportation.
Key Trump and Homan Statements
- Homan: Mr. Trump’s plan would involve “targeted arrests.”
- Trump: “We have a lot of good people in this country, and we have to do something about it.”
- Trump: “This has been going on for a long time. It’s a complicated subject.”
- Trump said he wanted to work with Democrats to come up with legislation to protect Dreamers, immigrants in the U.S. illegally who were brought as children, from deportation.
However, backers of hardline immigration policies view an exemption for Dreamers, who often have bipartisan support, as a slippery slope.
Miller won out with deport them all stupidity, until yesterday.
In my post Trump’s Inconsistent Positions on Deport them All, What Should He Do? I commented …
A sensible plan is to deport the criminals, shut the border, improve the legal process, give priority to parents and spouses of US citizens, give priority to those here the longest, and give priority to those working.
My Often Stated Position
“It is economically stupid and morally unjust to not work out a deal.”
Hmm fancy that. Trump now sees a need to protect farm and hotel workers. What a an amazing hoot.
What Happened?
For starters, Trump is returning to some of the sanity he expressed previously.
But why?
I expect Republican governors and Senators in farm states read Trump the riot act. But was this even about farmers?
Quite possibly it was this. June 10 (Reuters) – An immigration raid on Tuesday at a meat production plant in Omaha, Nebraska was the “largest worksite enforcement operation” in the state during the Trump presidency, the Homeland Security Department said. U.S. Congressman Don Bacon told local media 75-80 people were detained.
Now where the hell are you going to get 75 skilled meat packers? But we can’t ask that can we? Better label them “farmers”.
With Trump, it’s anyone’s guess as to how long sanity lasts, but his closing sentences may be a good omen: “We must protect our Farmers, but get the CRIMINALS OUT OF THE USA. Changes are coming!”
Reader Comment
A reader friend of mine says “I could not disagree with Mish more about illegal immigration. It’s one of the few issues that Trump has broad popular support.”
I asked: what question showed broad popular support? Support for what?
- Illegals are stealing our jobs and costing us money. Should we deport them all?
- We will have massive inflation and job shortages if we deport them all. Should we do it?
It’s easy to get the answer you want by phrasing the question the way you want to get the answer you want.
Pathetic. Once you tell people the costs, answers change.
There is no broad support to deport them all and it is economically idiotic to even try. Gratefully, even Trump is coming to that conclusion. But there is broad support to deport criminals.
Related Posts
On December 9, 2024, I noted On Meet the Press, Trump Said He “Wants the Illegal Dreamers to Stay”
Trump’s interview on Meet the Press sounds exactly like the deportation strategy I proposed.
Partial Interview Transcript (Emphasis Mine)
Kristen Welker:
What about dreamers, sir? Dreamers, who were brought to this country illegally as children. You said once back in 2017 they, quote, “Shouldn’t be very worried about being deported.” Should they be worried now?President-Elect Trump:
The dreamers are going to come later, and we have to do something about the dreamers because these are people that have been brought here at a very young age. And many of these are middle-aged people now. They don’t even speak the language of their country. And yes, we’re going to do something about the dreamers. And —Kristen Welker:
What does that mean? What are you going to do?President-Elect Trump:
I will work with the Democrats on a plan. And if we can come up with a plan, but the Democrats have made it very, very difficult to do anything. Republicans are very open to the dreamers. The dreamers, we’re talking many years ago they were brought into this country. Many years ago. Some of them are no longer young people. And in many cases, they’ve become successful. They have great jobs. In some cases they have small businesses. Some cases they might have large businesses. And we’re going to have to do something with them.Kristen Welker:
You want them to be able to stay, that’s what you’re saying?President-Elect Trump:
I do. I want to be able to work something out, and it should’ve been able to be worked out over the last three or four years and it never got worked out. You know, Biden could’ve done it because he controlled, you know, Congress to a certain extent, right? He could’ve done something, but they didn’t do it. I never understood why because they always seemed to want to do it, but then when it comes down to it, they don’t. I think we can work with the Democrats and work something out.
In my post May 17, post Trump’s Inconsistent Positions on Deport them All, What Should He Do? I commented …
A sensible plan is to deport the criminals, shut the border, improve the legal process, give priority to parents and spouses of US citizens, give priority to those here the longest, and give priority to those working.
On June 10, I commented MAGA Cheers the Gestapo Tactics that Sparked the LA Riots
I do not use the word Gestapo lightly. Let’s discuss the charge.
…
I stand by my economic comments. A reader wants proof, while offering no proof of his own.
My position is logical. His isn’t. We have 7 million unemployed. There are 31.6 million foreign born employees. Some of them are legal, and some of them now citizens. Unfortunately there is no breakdown by legality.
Assume all but 7 million of the 31.6 million are legal. We still have an enormous skilled labor shortage don’t we? Most of the unemployed have no skills in construction and they won’t pick crops.
These economic comments do not even dive into the morality issue of breaking up families, deporting those who were legal under Biden but aren’t now because of executive orders.
June 11, 2025: Who Waved Mexican Flags at the LA Immigration Protests?
The answer is US Citizens. I have names.
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A Deal for Dreamers
We need a Congressional deal that guarantees the rights of dreamers who have been in the US for a long time and are productive members of the US.
It is economically stupid and morally unjust to not work out such a deal. And on three occasions, Trump made supportive statements.
OK Have At It!
OK tell me you were wrong or Trump is now. Have at it. Blast away at Trump. Break the silence.
Tell us what a fool Trump was in that Meet the Press interview and why he is a fool now.
Will you still stand with Trump? Will I get dumbfounded silence? Will the bigots come out en masse? Will the economic illiterates remain that way now that TACO Trump chickened out on deport them all (gratefully).
Hopefully, this is a start of something sane. Meanwhile, I am pleased to report that Trump is suddenly worried about “impossible to replace hotel workers“.
By the way, skilled construction and trade workers are a much bigger issue than skilled hotel workers.
So carry this thought process through to the logical conclusion which is “Mercy! We suddenly need a deal for dreamers and focus on deporting criminals.“
As Trump is very fond of saying, “Thank you for your attention to this matter.”
Addendum
A reader actually commented “Don’t know what you are talking about Mish, Trump hasn’t changed his mind or backed down on anything.“
What an amazing hoot and called in advance in this post: “The Trump Is never wrong suck-ups will seemingly have a more difficult time, but I know how that goes: He was right then and right now and there never was an issue because this was a somehow a brilliant 5D move.”
Mindless rant of the day “Trump hasn’t changed his mind or backed down on anything”
What an amazing hoot, called in advance.
“The Trump Is never wrong suck-ups will seemingly have a more difficult time, but I know how that goes: He was right then and right now and there never was an issue because this was a somehow a brilliant 5D move.”
Trump’s mental illness has spread to his cult.
Self-reinforcing feedback loop.
A perfect circle of stupid.
maybe you’re quoting someone else who said the same thing, but if it’s from my comment I’d have thought the second half of that sentence, a quote from George Orwells novel 1984, left zero chance that anyone would miss that it was sarcastic. in full:
“Don’t know what you are talking about Mish, Trump hasn’t changed his mind or backed down on anything, we have always been at war with Eastasia.”
Thanks.
After I read that closer I realized what it was.
Yet it is exactly how some feel.
Trump Is Making Life Worse for Seniors
https://archive.is/cs7V6
More liberal Atlantic FUD. Trump is not going to “cut” SS benefits. What is going to happen is that the age to collect is going to increase, perhaps to 70 AND the earliest age to collect might be raised from 62 to 66.
“Our great farmers… our great this and that… our great traffic jam assholes,,,” whatever.
He’s aiming at the AI engines, which are trained by repetitions. Fifty years from now you’ll google his name and it’ll come up with “Trump the great”.
He’s being first page every day on the New York Times for 10 years and running.
Add Mcdonalds to the list. We have one here where most of them barely speak english, their speed is way above avg and the quality/freshness is better than any i’ve been to. They work.
“Pathetic. Once you tell people the costs, answers change.” Do we know the costs, costs we provide in supporting illegals vrs their contribution? This is an honest question?
From Congressional testimony:
“This chaos is also imposing record costs on Americans. Last year, FAIR published a report entitled the Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers. The study strives to illustrate the myriad of ways Americans pay for illegal immigration. Our estimate, which is a conservative one, is that Americans now pay $150.7 billion dollars annually due to illegal immigration. This figure represents a net cost. In terms of gross expenditures due to illegal immigration, we estimate that Americans pay $182 billion. Approximately $31 billion is received from illegal aliens in taxes, only 17 percent of the costs they create.”
HHRG-118-BU00-Wstate-KirchnerJ-20240508.pdf
Schiff analysis:
Trump’s Immigration Long Game
If the above $150.7 billion is true, then potentially one way to look at the issue is taxpayers are subsidizing by that amount low end labor for the businesses that that employ them. I am unable to find the actual estimated cost if illegal migrants were all deported, but it is not a small sum and may be more than $150.7 billion. We once had a system of migrant workers doing seasonal work coming to the US for that seasonal need. For construction and many service jobs such as lodging industry needs that would not be a solution.
There are some interesting deportation numbers by presidential in the link below:
https://infographicsite.com/infographic/deportations-under-us-presidents-statistics/
During Clinton’s two terms more that 12 million were deported, a number that would be in the same order of magnitude of what the current deport them all situation, would be. There were some influencing factors then such as work requirements for welfare and demographics of baby boomers retiring, but I do not remember any headlines about deportations causing serious labor distortions. Could it be we are experiencing the squeaky getting all the attention wrt labor shortages and do we really want to be supporting illegal residents with funds from our strained social safety net when we have serious federal deficits on the order of two trillion per year?
I would really like to see more factual data on the actual illegal labor contribution as to date I’ve really only seen assertions of problems when we have a historical example under President Clinton where that apparently was not the case.
These right-wing analysis are exaggerated and ignore hidden costs of higher inflation and costs on US businesses.
Many of the alleged costs are in places like California.
If immigration was a major issue in and of itself, why aren’t Texas and Florida economically troubled?
Illegal immigration is ~2 million in CA, ~1.7 million in Texas, and ~900K in Florida, the top three states by far.
Is the problem illegal immigration or absurd benefits in blue states?
But what do we do about it? The cost to deport them all is massive and would ripple through the economy.
I will do a post on this but here is the bottom line: Deporting 11 million people is logistically infeasible.
GDP Reduction: Deporting 8.3 million undocumented workers (5% of the U.S. workforce) could reduce GDP by 7.4% by 2028, according to the Peterson Institute for International Economics, equating to $1.6–$1.7 trillion in losses over a decade. Even deporting 1.3 million would lower GDP by 1.2% ($300 billion).
One needs to look at the seen and unseen and deal with the situation as it is now, and that includes the morality and legality of it all as even Trump admits.
Thanks for the reply, I look forward to your additional post. I am not really in favor of using changes in GDP estimates as measures for this issue as I see the contribution of the construction worker of hotel employee as a first order contribution to our economy, but for the folks who come here for the free ride, their safety net payments contribute to GDP but not to our economy, at least not until they spend it which is a potential productive GDP contribution if not sent back their home country as an example.
I 100% agree that the situation is what it is and the reality needs resolution. Deporting all is not a solution; we need to target those who are a risk to our safety and here only to poach from social services. Another issue I see needing attention is allegiance to our country. My four grandparents immigrated here and went through rigorous vetting processes which determined their medical fitness, knowledge of our civics and met many other criteria. They were good US citizens
It seems deportation does not work and has not worked. Or the problem would be solved. Maybe ice should focus on employment. Have a hefty fine for business hiring illegals. Set up a system so businesses can legally hire foreign nationals.
I’m waiting for Trump to try to solve the Mexican illegal problem by offering it to become the 51st state, since Canada is not interested. Once Mexico is taken care of, it would be easier to control the remainder of illegals entering the USA.
Mexico doesnt need or want any offers to become a US state. Like Greenland, they are far better off managing themselves. Agreeing to be a US state would be instantly saddling their population with the massive US debt. Even though Mexicos added population would decrease the debt per citizen by 30%, theyre still smart enough to know it’s a bad deal. And then theres our country’s stupid penchant to get into unnecessary disasterous wars. All those things are why other countries are smart enough to say, no thanks.
Um, but Mexicans aren’t real Americans like the Canadians.
Targeting the makers instead of the takers would work, but is a LIBERAL solution. Better to keep the problem around for generations and spend 10s of billions of taxpayer dollars than to ever accept a radical leftist liberal solution, even if it would work!
Just do as Trump does…
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacheverson/2025/06/12/trump-organization-foreign-workers-visa-hiring-mar-a-lago-golf-clubs-winery/
In a Truth Social post Thursday, Trump said his “very aggressive policy on immigration” is driving away long-time workers, citing complaints from the agricultural and hospitality industries—jobs those businesses are struggling to fill.
At the same time, the Trump Organization has consistently made use of temporary visa programs to hire foreign workers for Mar-a-Lago, four golf clubs and his Virginia winery—filing to bring in at least 1,880 seasonal workers since 2008, including 382 during Trump’s first term, according to Department of Labor data.
One issue with the farmers is lack of flexibility to move to another state. Moving to another state could be considered moving problems but, alternatively, spreading-out might help with employment.
The illegal immigrant problem increases when the percent living within an area becomes too high.
I think the dreamers idea is supposed to hang on the fact that they were not in control of their being brought to this country illegally. The rest is arbitrary, too assuming of record existence and accuracy, and too assuming of competent handling by the government.
To the extent that fearful people aren’t easy to deal with, one positive about giving citizenship to illegals would be better cooperation with crime reporting. But, there would still be hurdles with the locals having to handle the higher volume throughout the criminal justice system.
The economy seemed fine in 2019 and all the vegetables were being picked. Now with an additional 12 million low skilled low education Newcomers how can it be things crash if they leave? Thank you for again mentioning the incompatibility of Open Borders and the Welfare State. If one legalizes the low skill Illegal Aliens who pays for decades of their upkeep after they age out of low skill manual labor jobs in their 50’s?
This chart has the answer.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CIVPART/
Farm labor constitutes 14.9 percent of retail food costs. If wages were doubled to attract US citizens for labor, a 99 cent bag of carrots would cost $1.14
Construction costs are higher at 30-40% for labor, but as a part of total of overall project costs such as land development, planning, engineering, real estate commission, building permits, sheriff fees, school fees, football stadium fees etc, labor is probably nearly the same as food at 15-20%. To pay US citizen construction workers enough to afford to survive at a construction job would have similar metrics as vegetables: likely a 14% cost increase in purchase price. Whittle away at some of the other pigs at the trough and it would be much less.
As I have said in the past, all of our problems could be solved if the minimum wage was increased to $100/hr. [lol]
That is ridiculous. Maybe $60 an hour for illegals so they don’t compete with US workers.
Pick your poison, allowing millions to flood over the boarder and actively fly them in or deport a fraction of those here that didn’t follow the legal process. All I would like to see is the laws enforced and if people don’t agree with the law then work to change the law. BTW, my wife is Mexican and from Mexico but came here as a naturalized US citizen as a youth. She has a similar perspective. I grew up and live in So. CA and illegal immigration has always been a hot topic. So many millions have illegally entered from Mexico over the last 60 years while each party talked about stopping it but neither party worked at stopping it. The US economy became dependent on low wage workers from Mexico decades ago. Politicians know there is a correlation to prices. Look at how Biden attacked inflation, he opened the border and flew immigrants in by the thousands. The Obama admin openly stated that immigrants were needed to keep prices under control.
Ah yes the false choice, either millions flooding in or deportations.
If seems to me that Trump stopped millions coming in. So what do we do about who is here?
Cannot we have a well thought out discussion?
The criminal element gets charged, gets there day in court, if convicted gets sent back to where ever the country they just left……….Your here to work and send your kids to school, you get a work visa…..You are smarter than me, but then there has to be some progression to green card or citizenship.Maybe some kind of tax credit for employers to sponsor these workers?
One problem is they cant afford to make themselves legal.
You will also run into many that want to work underground and not pay taxes, thats a tougher one to solve.
Hi Mish, thanks for responding. Been reading your blog for almost 20yrs. I didn’t mean to present 2 options but rather tried to convey that those seem to be all that is discussed. My point was to simply follow and enforce the laws in place. I don’t condone Trump or any other politician’s standpoint. Both parties are at fault. Both helped to create the problem and need to find a legal way of dealing with the results. It has been ignored far too long when it comes to providing a solution rather than just talking about it.
One last point, back in the 80s, immigration raids were rather common. There were also networks of services that brought people into So. CA illegally and provided an orientation when they arrived. Part of this service was to provide false IDs and SSNs. I’m sure the networks are much more sophisticated today. It was so common that most that lived in inner cities knew it existed and knew how to get false docs for this or any other purpose.
According to Google’s numbers, the delta between what illegal immigrants pay in taxes and what it costs CA to provide services to illegal immigrants is an annual cost of $22.5 billion. What is your proposal to pay for this? Who pays?
Who is responsible for California’s liberal payouts?
Do Texas and Florida have the same problem?
As I have said repeatedly, open borders and free government services are incompatible.
But Trump shut the border. So what do we do about other issues.
I will have a specific proposal when it comes to taxes. It’s in my head, not on paper but soon will be on paper.
Denmark has realized this in time. Unlike Sweden it clamped down on illegal immigration and has reduced the number of refugees it will allow. For this reason the right has not made headway there, and the government is run by left of center but level-headed professionals.
you cannot have basically open borders and a generous social safety net. obviously the new entrants will be poorer, and generally will have more kids and will be drawing out of the system from day 1, and this is not only mathematically unworkable but creates understandable resentment among the existing citizenry which will boil over into the sort of cruelty we now see
I was surprised to recently learn that 30+% of California population is of Hispanic descent!
Yes, depending on the area Hispanics are the majority, not minority. As a teen I worked in a city that was around 85% Hispanic. Most of the surrounding cities consisted of similar demographics. I love the culture and people but don’t agree with illegal entry. I don’t blame the people at all, I blame our politicians for creating this situation. People will talk about solutions but a solution will never occur.
As I have said before and above, the not distant future when AI/robots do most to all of the work is that an AI will be Overlord of the world. As such, there will be no need for constructs such as nation borders or states.
Most people cannot conceptualize this in the near future. They are going to be surprised.
I live in a Hispanic majority city in the Pacific Northwest. This won’t be a popular thing to say but I really like Hispanics, at least the ones around here. They truly are hard workers and they are nice, pleasant people. They often have nice families. They remind me of the way American culture used to be when I was growing up 50+ years ago. My city also had a large drug addict and/or homeless population and they are almost all white. So I feel my area is so much better with its large, vibrant Hispanic community. That being said I am all for deporting the criminals.
There are some very beautiful Latinas!
That being said, where there are poor hispanics, there are gangs and drugs, same with any ethnic population and that includes white people. I doubt your area is any different. You just don’t see what you don’t want to see.
https://x.com/RepThomasMassie/status/1933279993762631846
Got to love Thomas Massie.
https://x.com/RepThomasMassie/status/1933278171496865844
I just got a notice one of my posts was flagged as spam and is awaiting moderation. I think the data I provide was correct and there is a possibility Mish is afraid to respond.
That happened to me yesterday and it turned out it was a problem with the automated spam filter and Mike corrected it later.
Yes. It would be a first that my post was not allowed through, so I was very surprised. I’ve always respected that Mish supports free discussion, and he essentially never moderates out content.
I moderate few things but I can be provoked over the edge.
One person called me an A-Hole today. Well, that will do it.
I blocked two others today. Another person said I always side with libtards. I don’t have time to rspond to such idiocy.
I admire that you allow content that is in stark disagreement, as long as what’s said furthers the exchange of ideas. That’s noble, and why many people like me are interested in what you have to share. Many of your posts and economic analysis are insighful, exposing relevant data pertaining to areas where MSM will not tread.
As I mentioned in a previous comment, with AI and robotics set to dramatically change the workforce in the next several years, there will not be enough work for the millions of illegal immigrants, and it will be difficult to provide work for legal citizens as well. Will probably have to have some type of UBI (Universal Basic Income) to compensate for the technological changes. That’s probably one of the main reasons that the government is finally serious about solving the decades-long problem. UBI will not be available for non-citizens.
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https://www.reuters.com/world/us/no-immigration-changes-under-way-farm-hospitality-workers-washington-post-2025-06-13/
No immigration changes under way for farm, hospitality workers, Washington Post reports
WASHINGTON, June 13 (Reuters) – There are no policy changes under way to exempt farm, hotel and other leisure workers from Donald Trump’s immigration crackdown, the Washington Post reported on Friday, a day after the U.S. president vowed to issue an order for such workers.
Trump’s comments on Thursday were aimed at soothing industry leaders, but there will be no changes to current deportations, according to the report, which cited three people with knowledge of the administration’s immigration policies.
Trump’s border czar Tom Homan told the Washington Post that he had not discussed any changes for such workers with Trump and has not been involved in any policy plans to address them.
You’re dreaming if you think anyone will pay you to stay at home looking at ****.
Once human workers are replaced by automation and run by an AI, everything humans need will be free. UBI will only be a temporary stopgap during the transition to this eventuality.
Once this transition completes, the question is ‘do the machines really need 8-10 billion humans hanging out, getting drunk/wasted and watching sports all day?’
There’s definitely two ways this could go. One is millions of people freed from work that they hate and only do out of necessity, and they will then be able to pursue projects that are meaningful to them and philanthropic in nature. Or the other path is that there will be millions of people milling around with nothing to do and wasting away their lives. We’ll find out how the majority of people decide to live in this new world of automation and hopefully the AI won’t have the power to eliminate all of us if they decide we’re too useless to keep around.
UBI – show me where that has worked.
My understanding was that it was planned for the future due to the displacement of workers because of AI and robotics. But I wasn’t sure so I asked ChatGPT about it to answer your question, it wrote a long answer that I won’t post here, but this was the summary:
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Summary
1. Full national UBI at sufficient levels? — Not yet.
2. Partial or smaller-scale implementations? — Yes, many (Iran, Alaska, Kenya, Finland, local U.S./European pilots).
3. Results so far?
o No major negative employment trends.
o Improvements in mental health, debt levels, and financial stability.
o Show promise for reducing stress and poverty.
________________________________________
What’s Next?
• Most pilots are still ongoing, with governments evaluating long-term feasibility.
• Supporters argue UBI is increasingly relevant amid automation and AI-driven labor changes.
• Significant political, budgetary, and societal obstacles remain before any full national UBI is implemented.
We will have massive inflation and job shortages if we deport them all. Should we do it?Not necessarily. Immigrants are consumers, not just workers. They drive a lot of consumption of both goods and services, likely more than they have an effect on suppressing wages In combined aggregate dollar terms. Frankly Mish, you have a blindspot on this point, with your equation being immigrants = jobs = lower wages = less inflation. Well, illegal immigrants only occupy low wage jobs, and possibly filling about 10 million of them. So if 10 million jobs pay $2/hr more because there are no immigrants, that amounts to $40 bilion/yr impact. Meanwhile, if 10 million immigrants stop buying homes, paying rent, buying cars, using Medicaid, using SNAP, using services, etc. that is closer to $100+ billion/yr drain on economic activity. On net, mass deportations would result in net disinflation. Take your blinders off for once and for all, and do the math in net dollar terms. More than anything else, illegal immigrants are pushing up prices and inflation.
I do not know why this was marked as spam.
I suspect it is one big long paragraph.
There are no labor shortages, just mispriced wages and other economic distortions. There are over 100 million people of working age in this country who are not working. At least 10 million of those are able bodied, and could/would take a job if the price was right, and there were no subsidies allowing them to live without work.
Dear Jeff, what is the cost of paying everyone a higher wage.
Higher inflation – for sure.
Anything else?
Hint: what happens to US exports when the US becomes the highest cost producer of nearly everything in the world?
And what happens to GDP as a result of the question I just asked?
You have shown no propensity to think anything through to the logical end.
Answer: Better use of robotics and AI, and much less regulation. I have a vague memory of reading an article recently where government regulations were penalizing farmers who had autonomous machines tending their fields, effectively causing farmers to cut back on the practice.
Also, I adressed the wage issue indirectly in my first post above. I acknowledge there would be an overall upward shift in wages, but it would be primarily near the very lowest wage brackets and wouldn’t percolate very far up the wage chain. I beleve the increases would be modest in the grand scheme of things. When people who used to be paid $8/hr get $12/hr, then the people who make $20/hr might get bumped up $1/hr, and the people making $30/hr and above would likely see no change (all numbers inflation adjusted). The very large percentage increases would only apply to 10% or less of all workers at literally the very lowest end of the wage distribution. In nominal terms, that would end up being chump change in relation to the size of overall GDP.
As our population ages, more jobs will open up to care for people, which is labor intensive, so there still will be plenty of jobs for everyone, despite automation. There will be a massive transfer of wealth from Boomer+ generations to younger generations over the next 20 to 30 years. 30 years out, I can’t predict the interplay between all the factors, but then again, neither can anyone else. That transfer of wealth should prop up the house of cards for up to 20 more years though, giving a runway for further job creation and innovation via the free markets, assuming the goverment ever reallows a free market again. We certainly don’t have a free market now.
Final point — I believe that about two million of the illegal immigrants (~10%) should not be here, period. I bet that legal immigrants, naturalized citizens, and Dreamers agree on that point.
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Is Mish part Russian?
Despair is the primary product and export of Russia.
Their motto is: “We made our life suck, and we’re gonna make yours suck too”
what do you know about Russia? mo11ron
do you speak Russian lang ?
did you live in Russia or USSR?
have you ever read single book by russian author?
do you know anything about Russia history?
let;s test your knowledge from top of my head
what happened in Russia in 1812, 1380 or 1480?
there was a famous castle-fort built by greeks for Khazars ! it was built in 9th century!!
what is name of ? what is the region in Russia.?
cant wait for you answer mo11ron!
alx
I don’t know much about Russia, but I do think this is one of the best quotes of all time:
“To destroy a people, you must first sever their roots.”
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
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He also wrote this:
“You must understand, the leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. It cannot be overstated. Bolshevism committed the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant and uncaring about this enormous crime is proof that the global media is in the hands of the perpetrators.”
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Ah, here’s one now, spewing hate and misery.
I think ordinary Russian people are great folks, I’ve watched some of their youtube videos but their heads of govt not so much it seems. Why can’t the president stand for a free and fair election, and why do they kill people who criticize their faults, and why does the Russian govt devalue their ruble currency more than the US does?
“To live is to suffer, to survive is to find some meaning in the suffering.”
— Friedrich Nietzsche
The future will change all of these discussions. AI just told me that between now and the next five years or so farm workers will not be needed as much. They, like everyone else, will be replaced by automation.
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When Will Most Human Farm Labor Be Replaced?
Plowing, planting, harvesting (grains)—————————————-2025–2030
Fruit & vegetable picking——————————————————–2030–2035 (slower due to complexity)
Crop monitoring & scouting—————————————————-2024–2026
Weeding & pesticide application———————————————-2025–2028
Greenhouse growing————————————————————-2025–2028 (mostly automated)
Livestock management———————————————————–2025–2027 (monitoring only)
Packing & sorting——————————————————————2025–2029
https://insights.globalspec.com/article/12186/robotics-company-creates-strawberry-picking-robot-to-assist-with-worldwide-farm-worker-shortages
https://rv-times.com/2024/01/02/developing-a-sense-of-touch-robotic-hand-field-tested-for-apple-harvest-2/
What is the reason to wait until 2030?
You’re right, why wait for 2030. I had asked ChatGPT that question and posted its answer. But your articles show that it will be much sooner. As I wrote in a subsequent comment, I think that’s one of the main reasons that the government will continue with mass deportations, there will not be work available for the millions of illegal immigrants over the next several years.
This following is from the article that Nate posted. Amazing technology. I read somewhere that we are the last generation on Earth to know what life is like without AI.
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The strawberry-picking robot called Rubion, developed by robotics company Octinion, is capable of picking almost 795 lb worth of strawberries each day versus the roughly 110 lb of strawberries that human pickers generally pick in the same time frame, according to Octinion. This is accomplished through photonic sensors that detect light wavelengths, or “signatures” that emanate from the ripe red berries, as determined by a pre-programmed dataset of characteristics built into the robot’s internal RGB camera. Once the ripeness of the berry is determined, the soft grippers delicately grasp the strawberry, placing it into a bin where it is sorted by size and weight. This all occurs during what Rubion’s makers call a five-second picking cycle.
Yes and if you want to go deeper into the subject of farming, the future is farming inside of tall buildings with controlled environments. This is referred to as ‘vertical farming’.
Vertical farming is more environmentally sound, as a contained environment has less exposure to various pests. It can grow crops year round, in any kind of weather. There has been particular success with strawberries.
VF also frees up huge amounts of land that can be returned to Nature for animal grazing or can have homes and towns built on.
Mish, my wife and I go to Portugal every other winter for six months. To get in: BORDER CONTROL, and our Passports are entered into their digital system. We have limit of 90 days with a normal “Schengen TOURIST Visa.” TO stay for our normal Six months, I have to show them (exhaustive list): 1) Our “Permanent Address” which I prove by showing a 3/6 Payments for our Apartment and address. 2) Means of “Subsistence” (Income). 3) Return Ticket Copies. 4) Nature of Visit (Tourists). 5) ON AND ON and about the last 5 days of our first 90 days, they SLIP US IN and I always get approved because I have my shit together.
CONDITIONS:
OH, BUT NOOOOOO, PORTUGAL WANTS A CUT.
…all of the above in order to remain LEGALLY in Portugal on our approved and stamped “EXTENDED VISA.” They KEEP all of my paperwork in some file that I am not sure it kept confidential. THAT has concerned us.
It is a royal pain in the Arse.
HERE? Compare this to open Borders, Portugal seems like a GETAPO.
America is WIDE THE FFUCK OPEN!
And you left out how you got to Portugal. You can just as easily get off a boat or cross by land from Spain and not encounter a single border patrol agent and hang out in Portugal for as long as you’re not caught.
Your comparison is absurd because you’re following the law while others are not.
You really have no idea. The US is 100times worse more difficult to enter. They take their cut too if you want a longer visitor VISA but again it is harder to get.
Travelling between OECD countries is pretty damn easy. The US is the exception. Of course you wouldn’t know because you are a citizen of the difficult county.
There have been countless stories of legitimate tourists detained recently under the stronger Trump ICE.
Thank you for reporting on this. I am told it is the same in the E.U. I know its the same in Mexico. If 1 of our white or black asses tried to stay illegally in Mexico, Let me know how that works out. How about China?
An the answer to this is well know one else wants these jobs, well that is true. But maybe we can change that with the younger generations coming up.
I grew up poor, and the family was on food stamps for maybe 8 years. I had jobs cleaning toilets, pools, golf shoes, you even shined the golfers shoes when they were out golfing(Sleepy Hollow Country Club)
And can we at least eject the illegals committing actual crimes? Is that too much to ask????
This is really key. “no state-sponsored invasion” is BS!!!
Mexico facilitated and encouraged this massive immigration – so long as these migrants don’t stay in Mexico, right?
Sounds like state-sponsored to me…
The US facilitated the immigration a lot more than Mexico. Most of them are hired by companies here.
So what?
So you want the EU or Portugal to create policy for us?
And Did Trump closer the border or is “America is WIDE THE FFUCK OPEN!”
Assuming Trump did shut the border, how about an honest discussion of what we should do?
Instead we have Gestapo tactics amid deport them all insanity interspersed with whataboutism like yours.
I read that Omaha Meat Packing plant story.
The plant uses E-Verify, the federal database used to check the immigration status of employees. When he said as much to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers who carried out the raid, they told him the E-Verify system “is broken.”
By Tuesday afternoon, Bacon had issued a statement saying the ICE raid sought to investigate stolen identities and that “ICE verified that Glen Valley Foods complied with E-Verify 100% and is a victim in this as well.”
“I mean, what am I supposed to do with that?” Chad Hartmann, president of the food packaging company said. “This is your system, run by the government. And you’re raiding me because your system is broken?”
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Hartmann was told that most of the arrested used identity theft to get employment. Good riddance to these illegals who used identity theft. I have had family members who have had their identity stolen by illegals over the past 10 to 12 years. Not only do they use someone else’s identity for employment but they used the SSN for credit cards, loans, etc. It is not funny when you go into a Verizon store to sign up for service and the say you cannot sign up for a new account because someone else has an account with your SSN.
It looks like the system needs to improve.
When a meat packer has a worker who can only speak Spanish but whose ID says his name is John Malinksi born in Oshkosh, Wisconsin, the employer knows what’s going on, but since e-verify said they were legal, they can claim no responsibility.
I like your empathy, but I think you read too much into Trump’s statements to the press. He’s always repeating what the last person who talked to him said. When he next talks to Stephen Miller, he’ll be happy to deport everyone again.
It’s taken 2000 marines and who knows how many ice agents to deport a few dozen people? maybe a hundred? The LA marines cost $137 million for the circus show.
Do the math and figure out how many marines and what it will cost for 20 million if you can.
And with millions of boomers retiring each year, the doors will be wide open for all of them to come back and work in a few years anyway. It’s all a colossal waste of money but then again, that’s why America is broke, lots of stupid politicians.
Got exit strategy?
Your points are well-taken! We have a bad Habit of borrowing to pay all of this – – PONZI STYLE!
TACO Trump at work lol
Yes, but he cannot take back that “Truth”
It is there, firm, and undeniable.
The press should hammer him on this.
My guess. He will honor what he just said and most of the idiotic raids will stop.
However, to appease the rabid hyenas, Trump will send in the Gestapo to do some superficial raids.
But Miller will pressure, until; Trump breaks something, and perhaps it’s already broken.
Our great Farmers and people in the Hotel and Leisure business have been stating that our very aggressive policy on immigration is taking very good, long time workers away from them, with those jobs being almost impossible to replace
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jesus!!!!
this goes straight from USSR times.
only in USSR there /LETTERS FROM simple folks on factories /,
then letters went straight into Politburo ( highest level of communist party),
then printed in major newspapers, and then some decisions were taken!!
you know= FOR PEOPLE, by power of people==
funny!!!!!
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USA more and more looks like old USSR.
even in modern Russia there is no such things!
basically bureaucrats do anything they want, and as long as Putin is not pissed off, everything is allowed!!!
there is no diff branches of governing in Russia,it is same apparatus of thieves, and courts and Duma are jokes!!
alx
ps
i am Russian, living in Russia, so no bias!
America is heading to the OLD RUSSIAN style. It is so clear. Thanks for your comments.
A country has tax payers and tax spenders the government uses taxpayers money to destroy taxpayers what a deal.
I hope to vote for Trump again in 2028
Your vote will be thrown in the sewer were it will belong.
My vote remains in the sewer of my pea Brain, because I DO NOT VOTE.
Many of my friends and family members look at me as if I am two-headed. “HOW DARE YOU CALL YOURSELF AMERICAN” is what my youngest cousin, every 55 years of Her, when I proclaimed that I cannot vote between a piece of dung and a piece of dog shit.
OOOOH, that went over at a Dinner party well in Portugal.
That was two erections ago (OOPS, ELECTIONS) and one couple, Brits, never spoke to me again.
I WAS SUPPOSED TO SAY “THE DEMOCRAT.”
If you want to protest, write in cartoon characters, at least. Don’t be lazy.
The whole server into a sewer?
Trump plans equal North Korea plans and executioners palanter Peter thiel will help destroy the good USA.
“I hope to vote for Trump again in 2028”
in other words, you don’t believe in the Constitution. Thanks for letting us all know.
He is entitled to vote for who he wants. He just said how he would vote.
It is unclear if he actually believes Trump is entitled to win.
If so, I agree he has brain rot.
You can write in his name and your vote will be useless.
And yet, I’ll say it again, nobody seemed to have a problem when Hillary was calling for deportations and Obama deported 3 million illegals. Even Biden deported people on a faster pace than Trump and crickets.
How is it relevant what Hillary said or did?
And Biden deported faster because of floodgate math.
Biden opened the flood gate. Democrats claimed they couldn’t shut the flood gate without new legislation. Trump proved them wrong.
The “11,000,000 votes” that Biden got in 2020 but Kamala did not in 2024 had nothing to do with illegals.
Correct!
“Trump proved them wrong.”
Correct! and arguably well done, too.
Yet, commenters are posting false choices as if the flood gates are still open.
Hillary Derangement Syndrome has been with us for nearly a decade now. She’s the first thing in their head when they wake up, and the last when they go to sleep, wearing a different schoolmarmish pantsuit evert day.
It’s a living hell.
Just because it worked then does not make it the right strategy for now. Job openings and finding their replacements is an issue today that was not the same issue then. Times change.
Yes, two different strategies in a nuanced fashion. ALL of this is BS in the end.
=Even Biden deported people on a faster pace than Trump and crickets.
were you 10 years old during biden/obama//clinton?
what stopped YOU TO MAKE WEBSITE AND PRINTS INFO about ?
or you always wait for someone else?
Respectfully,
Its apples and oranges. During previous administrations turn aways at the border where considered deported. This go around the border was rightly closed, and so deportations are higher as turn aways are not being counted. This also gives the appearance of fewer deportations this go around.
If only Madonna had made more personal visits to tree stands in Wisconsin and Michigan in fall 2016 we wouldn’t be in this predicament. .
Donald Trump has taken on the most difficult job in the world while under 24/7 scrutiny and relentless criticism and hatred.
He inherited boatloads of problems from his subversive predecessors.
It’s so easy to sit in judgement.
You sound like one of those domestic abuse victims trying to justify the actions of the spouse.
HUH?
Trump deserves most of the criticism he got. Period.
And when he deserved praise I gave it.
His unconstitutional actions, big bragging mouth, narcissism, and absurd executive orders are his #1 problems.
Again…
It’s easy to be comfortably seated at the computer, typing away with relentless criticism.
Standing publicly, resolutely, and visibly, attempting to reverse decades of deliberate establishment sabotage, is something that not one of us can even imagine.
IF there were ONE thing that is consistent: BOTH D’s and R’s are on THE TAKE!
Yes, he does. His circle (TEAM) are not that bright OR he is a despot. Maybe a mixture of insane appointees and The Naked King. I dunno. I was reluctant to use “KING” but he is the top o’ the heap in the Admin (the Leader). I do not envy the Job of Presidents.
You can do ALL wrong or NO wrong. Never a mixture of truths from BOTH SIDES.
This is what keeps me from VOTING.
His mental illness is his number one problem. At this point in time expecting anything from Trump that makes sense to a normal person is impossible.
Don’t forget he cheats at golf. Everyone on the east coast tells me so.
Oh poor Donald Trump, can we all agree he is the real victim in all of this? That’s what he’s been saying ever since he was a baby. Well, he’s still a baby, emotionally.
Well, I read somewhere that Daddy Seeded his first ventures. My dad was an HVAC Tech. NOT A DIME of support.
Even: NOT A DIME towards my College Degrees. I had to work my way through college!
of problems from his subversive predecessors.
It’s so easy to sit in judgement.
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you can always say PERSON POSTING THIS is not American
buddy. there is diff branches of government in USA!!
Courts, Congress, mass media etc
nobody stopped repubs in congress voting for biden budget!!
they did!!
All of the presidents who signed off on, not vetoed, the legislative destruction of the United States, are to be held responsible.
Not long ago, America was an economic powerhouse. It was rapidly subverted and reduced to a Federal Reserve gambling casino, given enough rope to hang itself with debt.
This didn’t happen by accident, but there’s to be no accountability?
You were down-voted for a sensible comment. There must be some true nutcases here.
TDS
ICE is executing search warrants signed off by a judge- which means they have sucfficient evidence- as part of a broader investigation into front companies owned by Mexican and Columbian cartels. These companies are suspected of engaging in money laundering, human trafficking, forced labor and customs fraud. While ICE executes the warrants these front companies alert their cartel owners- which also own NGO’s- use social; media to alert their networks of what is going on and mobilize unwitting mobs to show up and threaten ICE agents and essentially wage war against the ICE agents. Democrats use these examples to wage political war against Trump because, of course, orange man bad. Then we have the press who operates on the same principle-orange man bad- who refuse to actually do any investigation of what’s really going on because then the thread of the story would unravel and they can’t have the truth come out.
You, Mish, are falling for the same line.
You are part of the the propaganda army which has been formed and shaped by foreign cartels which endanger American lives.
Time to to some real homework instead of just mindlessly producing false content.
How about covering the lives lost due to sanctuary cities and states refusing to cooperate with ICE. How about covering the 100,000’s of children brought over the border by cartels and lost track of by the Biden administration. How about covering the fentanyl trafficking by the cartels.
Our nation is being subverted with the aid of a willing press and politicians.
That’s rich, your claim that Mish is part of the propaganda army.
What conspiratorial BS websites have tortured your twisted mind?
Look there are a lot of criminals and I want to deport them. Instead, the madman in the WH started targeting legitimate businesses.
How about you writing a blog and expressing your views. For now stick to the subject. Fentanyl has nothing to do with this. Nothing, Nor do your absurd whataboutisms.
Nor does Biden actually, other than an admission he created a mess.
The only legitimate question is how do we fix the mess we are in. Instead you have nothing to offer but whataboutisms.
Now go back to your tortured websites feeding your mind.
By the way please tell us how stupid Trump now is (or isn’t) instead of your tortured and twisted logic.
That you characterize my response as nothing but whataboutisms exposes you for what you are, anti Trump, disagree even when he’s right. Fentanyl is just one part of this. Luckily the amount of fentanyl entering the country since Trump took office has dropped just as dramatically as the number of illegals crossing the border. Nothing conspiratorial here, just Tom Homan’s own words which no one in the media bothers to report. This isn’t TACO, this is Trump responding to compalints of legitimate businesses but holding the line on getting the illegals out of this country. Even mayor Karen Bass has admitted to the coordinated effort of NGO’s responding to ICE raids. She’s talking about the domestic NGO’s but its just as easy for the Cartels to set up their own NGO’s. Are you saying that couldn’t be done? When flatbed trucks with loudspeakers blaring instructions to the captured illegals show up at ICE raids(as Tom Homan has stated), you can’t tell me this is not a coordinated counter response. The speed this can be done in areas that had no activity in the past only indicates an inside operation which can include legitimate NGO’s unwitingly recruited. You do zero investigative work and very little legitimate reporting so I’ll laugh at your characterization of having a mind tortured by conspiratorial websites when my opinion is based on listening to unfiltered congressional hearings and statements of the people in charge. Rather than what the mainstream media filters down to feed the masses to provoke the anti Trump response they desire.
If it was TACO, Trump would end the raids, he hasn’t.
If it was TACO, Trump would have stopped deploying the national guard and marines, he hasn’t.
This here is some fine, weapons grade crazy… like from the covid times. I thought all you folks had finally burned yourselves out.
Shine on, you crazy diamond!
Obama deported 3+ million illegals. The vast majority were not “criminals” by the definition being applied to Trump. Additionally, most did not get any so-called “due process” in immigration or any other court. Sorry to have to introduce facts into the discussion.
Clearly we need Obama back as president. He deported more people, did it without gestapo or marines and everyone was happier.
Sorry, Steve, but that’s not the case largely. They SHOULD have a warrant (even a lowly admin warrant), but in far too many cases, they do not.
It’s a matter of HOW they do the deportations, not that it doesn’t need to happen, and yes, we need to go after companies who illegally employ illegals.
Well this Trump supporter is having regrets. One third of his labor force was hauled away and they were here legally.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-voter-gets-choked-up-after-ice-detains-a-third-of-his-staff/
The sentence in bold I think is why Trump TACO’d. The gestapo is simply rounding up anyone with brown skin and deporting them without any due process. That may work great for bigot MAGA but it doesn’t work well for the economy, inflation, and society at large.
500,000 working refugees recently had their status revoked, that’s another loss of 500k workers that won’t be easy to replace.
With oil now surging with the middle east war, massive inflation spike sometime later this year isn’t out of the question. Fed can’t lower rates now except perhaps a token quarter point given the circumstances.
Great time to be holding puts on SPY and have an exit strategy.
I tried explaining to these type of people who Stephen Miller was and what he would do once Trump got into office. That it was not really about legal vs illegal immigration, but it was really about skin color.
They would not listen.
Now they know….
Democrats make everything as being about skin color. Thus racist DEI and CRT programs.
BS both parties do it’s just to keep the working class divided so we never notice how the rich are stealing everything we produce for them. The real hidden divide is between the rich and the working class, as long as they keep us hating one another we never notice the are the true enemy. I guarantee if you are working class you have more in common with any working class person of a different color than you do with any CEO in America.
also if he’s revoking the refugee status of 500,000 people he’s just amgically created 500,000 illegal aliens. stable genius.
We had our roof replaced last year. Owner of company who gave quotes and presented the contract was a white guy. Crew showed up on designated start day, of the five members of his crew only one spoke some English. But they did a great job in the summer sun. I found the company because they did the house across the street just a couple of weeks before mine.
Any major house repairs need to be done now, even with inflated prices because by 2030 I expect it to be 3x to 10x the cost of what things are now.
I’ve posted plenty of links here on how the median age for plumbers, electricians, aviation mechanics, pilots, nurses, whatever is about 54 or higher and most will retire over the next 5 to 7 years.
People have no idea what is coming.
Trump will lock Stephen Miller in the basement for a while, like he did with Peter Navarro.
He will let them out when he is bored or when he thinks the media is not giving his government enough attention.
Quinnipiac latest poll shows a marked decline in Trump’s numbers on everything, including immigration. He’s at 38% overall approval rating. And his approval on immigration and deportation policies has fallen to the low 40’s, with strong majorities disapproving. The honeymoon is over and he’s in for a rough ride now. The mood of America has shifted and Trump will not benefit.
If the worry was “taking jobs”, the first target should have been employers with fines and jail time–it would have been in a justice department focused on the most culpable
the “criminals” theme is shot to hell with the random children targeting, and the taking of people at legal immigrant hearings
If the Trump admin deported 1000 illegal aliens per day, or 365,000 per year, using an estimate that the Biden admin allowed 10MM illegal aliens into the country during his term, it would take 27 years to deport. Double deportations, 13.5 years. Etc. So from a practical perspective, yeah never going to happen. Now, criminal illegals, renormalizing immigration entry to comply law, and the all important birth right issue, all need to be worked through. Hopefully by Congress (guffaw). 10 million illegals at a 50/50 male to female ratio will produce another 10MM children in 10 years using rule of 7. You already have 25% of children in the country Latino. Burr wanted to be King of Mexico. Jefferson wanted Mexico. Demographics, destiny, hmmm.
“it would take 27 years to deport. Double deportations, 13.5 years. Etc. So from a practical perspective, yeah never going to happen.”
And suddenly the brain begins to function. Congrats Patrick.
Rules for leftist radicals. Flood the system to overwhelm it. A functioning brain understands that is the way radical leftists work to overthrow the system. From a practical perspective, leftist radicals automatically win, by the system surrendering to a so-called practical perspective.
You can blame whomever you want but the immigration “issue” has existed for the last 500 years. No Congress over the last 100 years, neither republican or democrat has tried to fix anything so things will just keep going the way they are for now.
Trump’s activities are nothing but a circus show for your entertainment so I hope you’re enjoying it. Will last another 1317 days then we’re back to the usual status quo.
Don’t know what you are talking about Mish, Trump hasn’t changed his mind or backed down on anything, we have always been at war with Eastasia. He’s always touted the good that comes from hard working law abiding immigrants and so what if they are missing a few documents? Backbone of the economy he’s always said.
So ridiculous he is on board with anti-urban raids but not farms. He’s openly discriminating against American cities. Guess what, restaurants, construction, car washes etc… depend equally on the same kind of workers that have been there for years. and talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face…. how is it smart to try and cripple the biggest economic engines of the country? if the California economy suffer, if the NYC economy suffers the US economy will suffer.
And I am sure the fact that he owns many hospitality businesses has nothing to do with this, right MAGA? he would never let his own financial interest drive his decisions for the country, if something makes sense for the average American he would not hesitate twice about impoverishing himself given hi long history of friendship with farmers, factor workers, blue collar guys –these are the people he actually spends his time with and feels home among.
You really have self-deluded beyond 99% of MAGAs: “Trump hasn’t changed his mind or backed down on anything”
“ if something makes sense for the average American he would not hesitate twice about impoverishing himself given hi long history of friendship with farmers, factor workers, blue collar guys –these are the people he actually spends his time with and feels home among.”
Ha! You really are deluded.
When does he spend his time with all the people mentioned beyond campaign rallies and other political activities.
He feels at home when he is being waited on left right and centre but those people “he feels that are beneath him”. (Which is most people really.)
are you a bot? because that comment is so obviouly sarcastic i can’t imagine any human missing it.
Obviously Trump doesn’t hang out with farmers and factory workers, he’s a NYC billionaire who literally lives in a gold penthouse on 5th avenue and in a mansion in Florida and now, unfortunately, a big white house in Washington DC. He has only ever had an interest in associating himself with the rich and famous.
as for sacrificing his interest for the good of Americans, his history is the exact opposite of that, he’s currently opening billion dollar projects in countries that are negotiating with his admnistration on tariffs (Vietnam), and he is also financially tied to countries whose interests aren’t always aligned (Saudi Arabia, for one), and he is also making billions in crypto while his administration is writing regulations about crypto.
Sarcasm, I hope.
yes, though it seems to have been lost on many readers.
it’s hard to convey in writing to strangers, but i don’t think i was subtle about it and the quote from 1984 should not have left that in doubt.
i also didnt’ think the rest of the comment was anything but obviusly mocking of Trump.
Somehow – Anthony – reading again. I may have missed sarcasm.
However, it is precisely how many feel.
If MAGA wants to find out how a massive and perfect staglationary shock works, go ahead and deport all undocumented agricultural, hospitality, and construction workers. Alternatively, just take a gun and shoot yourself in the foot. The effect is pretty much the same.
Shooting your self in the foot would probably heal in a couple of months. It will take years (if ever) for our economy to recover from Trump if he lasts his whole four years.
Why did you misquote Trump? There is a difference between nearly impossible and impossible.
Plus Trump is wrong. It isn’t hard to replace most hotel workers and most farmhands. They are not skilled positions, any army recruit can make a bed and get his barracks squared away and my father picked countless bushels of peaches in the Great Depression.
At my Australian home they get thousands of seasonal workers from Fiji, Tonga, Samoa etc plus thousands of backpackers from Europe and other countries picking fruit. If young yanks can pick mangoes and other fruits as they backpack around Australia then why can’t other yanks pick fruit back in the US? (hint, picking fruit pays better in Australia as we don’t rely on illegals).
As for meat workers, it’s mostly a production line where each worker does only a very specific part of the breaking down of a carcase. Only actual butchers are skilled.
OK It’s “Nearly Impossible” to replace hotel workers.
Wait a second, since you are such a stickler it’s “almost impossible” to replace hotel workers.
LOL
Sheeesh
I stand humbly corrected. Mea Culpa (but the gist remains)
As long as everyone works for cheap and everything is cheap to buy, then life is just a bowl of cherries.
They could always eat cake?
Tortillas.
Don’t forget the ICE Cream
Trump has been doing a lot of down-backing lately.
A lot.
Watch for more in the near and far future as reality sets in.
PS: I was/am not a Biden/Harris supporter at any time.
Yes, and it’s barely six months in.
Whatever, name calling, very professional
Bigots are what they are, the Cult is what it is, and the economic illiterates are what they are.
My name calling is at least accurate.
Trump’s bigoted name calling and slurs are another matter.
OK … Whatever.
Yeah Mish, name calling can be both fun and effective, but accurate, yeah not really.
Name calling is name calling. Isn’t that what bully’s do.
I disagree about name calling…
The moniker I assigned remains quite accurate:
King Chaos The Shit Talker
And I do not say it in jest, it is fair warning…
But admittedly, no match for the effective MAGA propaganda machine.
Why does Trump do this???? Who is employed in these hotels??? Americans or illegals???
Why?
An unexpected dose of common sense in a very uncommon place.
Don’t underestimate his tacos. If he expedites the naturalization of those workers, he’ll have their votes for decades.
Don’t forget the democrats started from K-K-K and eventually they got the black vote.
You never know.
“the democrats started from K-K-K and eventually they got the black vote” Why is it that no one ever seems to find it ironic that Southern whites mostly support the Republican party (the party of Lincoln and the Union Army) even though it was the party that slaughtered them and thoroughly humiliated them.