Trump wants a reprieve from migrant raids for farmers, hotels and some others.
Will It Stick This Time?
The Wall Street Journal reports Trump Floats a Mass Deportation ‘Temporary Pass’
If you’re confused about the Trump Administration’s mass deportation policy, join the club. First it was the full Stephen Miller, deporting every illegal in the land. Then there was going to be a reprieve for the agriculture and hospitality industries, then it was back to the full Miller. On Sunday the President said he now wants a “temporary pass” for some businesses.
“I don’t back away,” Mr. Trump said on Fox News Sunday Morning Futures. “What I do have, I cherish our farmers. And when we go into a farm and we take away people that have been working there for 15 and 20 years, who were good, who possibly came in incorrectly. And what we’re going to do is we’re going to do something for farmers where we can let the farmer sort of be in charge. The farmer knows he’s not going to hire a murderer.”
He’s right about that. Employers need good workers, and it’s crazy policy for the U.S. government to raid businesses in order to drag away someone who arrived here illegally but has been a reliable employee for years.
Mr. Trump says the White House is working on “some kind of a temporary pass, where people pay taxes, where the farmer can have a little control as opposed to you walk in and take everybody away.”
Glad to hear it, though we’d add that these employers and workers already pay Social Security and other taxes.
Mr. Miller’s mass deportation is building resentment as the raids proliferate. They will hurt small businesses already struggling to find workers. Focus on the criminals, and leave everyone else alone to provide for their families.
We’ve Been Here Before
On June 11, the New York Times posted Under Pressure From the White House, ICE Seeks New Ways to Ramp Up Arrests
Immigration and Customs Enforcement is carrying out workplace raids across the country like the one in the garment district of Los Angeles last week that kicked off protests and a vast federal response. The agency is staggering shifts so agents are available seven days a week to try to meet arrest goals and asking criminal investigators who usually focus on issues like human trafficking to help identify targets. It is also asking the public to call in tips to report illegal immigration.
ICE’s work is being aided by a new mapping app that locates people with deportation orders who can be swiftly expelled, drawn from data housed in agencies across the government, according to documents obtained by The New York Times.
I believe I was among the first to report a shift in my June 13 post TACO Trump Backs Down on Farm and Hotel Worker Deportations
Trump is suddenly worried about “impossible to replace hotel workers”.
On June 14, I noted Trump Suddenly Pauses Deportation Raids on Farms, Hotels, and Restaurants
It’s official, and I am very pleased by this abrupt shift to sanity.
The guidance was sent on Thursday in an email by a senior ICE official, Tatum King, to regional leaders of the ICE department that generally carries out criminal investigations, including work site operations, known as Homeland Security Investigations.
“Effective today, please hold on all work site enforcement investigations/operations on agriculture (including aquaculture and meat packing plants), restaurants and operating hotels,” he wrote in the message.
TACO Trump Backs Down on Farm and Hotel Worker Deportations
The abrupt shift to sanity lasted precisely one day.
On June 15, Miller had ICE deporting everyone again. I considered writing a post wondering whether Miller or Trump was running the country.
It appears Trump has gotten flack from Republican governors and farmers in all states once again.
What are the Economic Costs and Benefits of “Deport All Illegals”?
On June 15, I asked What are the Economic Costs and Benefits of “Deport All Illegals”?
Trump is already backing down from “deport them all” madness, but let’s discuss the question anyway.
The last time I asked that question we had a flip flop one day later.
Dear president Trump, please fire Stephen Miller. These flip-flops with Miller hijacking your policy make you look ridiculous.
Go after the criminals and let the workers be.
If Trump is interested in arresting criminals, he would arrest himself!
The CHEETO~BANDITO!
What a waffling buffoon!
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Firing Stephen Miller is the best idea I’ve heard this week.
Locking up Miller in an iron box buried thirty feet underground for the remainder of his natural life would be a better idea.
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Hmm, it would seem that a comprehensive immigration legislation might be a good idea. One that formalized a guest worker program, where business that needed people to do this kind of work, and workers who wanted it were matched up in an orderly, legal way that worked for both parties.
And, maybe, at times when unemployment was high and citizens would want those jobs, we could send those guest workers who were not citizens back home since we needed those jobs open for our citizens temporarily.
And, then, maybe, while those people were here, working legally under this newly created system, they could apply for a path to citizenship, and work their way towards become full legal citizens during their time here doing those “guest worker” jobs?
Who could actually think of such an idea?
A better question is who vetoed that idea?
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Every administration and congress for the last 50 years. The Pols prefer this method of “off the books” labor. Good for the donors and good to get people riled up when necessary.
TACO capitulates once again as it was impacting his personal businesses.
Is it illegal to hire an illegal? YES!!! Put the person who knowingly hired an illegal in the slammer. This BS would end in a week.
Haha. It’s only the dirty illegal who needs to be punished, not the clean ‘Murican who is just looking for some cheap labor.
Many farmers have already done the financials and are destroying crops, knowing that there is no cheap labour to bring in the crops. This is happening all over America, causing food prices to double.
“causing food prices to double”?
Hyperbole much? LOL
Double? We are not seeing it.
“Go after the criminals and let the workers be.” Sounds good. Many people would still be squealing about that. They fought tooth and nail in CA to prevent the deportation of illegal alien gang members.
They still are. How do you think we got here?
During the 1980s in So CA, immigration raids were common and employers had to be careful not to be caught hiring illegals, even though MANY companies accepted that risk. Back then many people entered the US and were given an orientation on how to screw the system for benefits and carefully navigate employment. It was so common that most people knew about it. I knew several people that came in that way. It was part of they paid for upon illegal entry.
Today, the government openly provides free social benefits which often outweigh those for citizens.
My opinion is that the laws in place should be enforced. If people don’t agree with the law then work toward changing the law.
So, you must think that all these small business owners who hire these illegals need to be sent to jail then. Hiring them is illegal. But, it doesn’t happen.
I expect any business owner to follow the law. The law should not be optional. The penalty is defined by law.
Please enumerate the benefit programs that are available to non-citizens but not available to citizens.
Crickets!
There are MANY. Do a search and it won’t take you long. Here is the Cash Assistance Program for Immigrants. Spend a little time and you’ll find tons of programs in CA:
https://www.cdss.ca.gov/inforesources/cash-assistance-for-immigrants
BTW, one of the requirements for this program and receive money is to be a non-citizen.
The National Socialist wing of the Republican party won’t be happy about this.
Trump 2.0 was their big chance for racial purification.
You’re hoping they reanimate Biden into a sentient being with thoughts and speech capabilities, aren’t you?
– “I don’t back away,” Mr. Trump said. > Well You Just Did!! >> I am getting tired of the antics, just saying…
– And when we go into a farm and we take away people that have been working there for 15 and 20 years. > Whose fault is that? Our Government In Charge (President) I would say, and You Mr. Trump were part of that mix!! You didn’t Try to fix it when you had a chance last time, and now you’re doing so again. This doesn’t fix the problem.
Trump then says: – “who possibly came in incorrectly” Then we send them back. You made the rules…
– And what we’re going to do is we’re going to do something for farmers where we can let the farmer sort of be in charge. The farmer knows he’s not going to hire a murderer.” > Just a few questions for you Trump…
1. So Farmers will forever be good and totally aware? No Problem Right Trump.
2. How about when the Farmer is a Radical of some sort, but clean, and could be good.
3. He wouldn’t hire Radical Extremist Right?
4. The Farmer KNOWS HE wouldn’t hire a murderer, or would he, if by that small chance, he is not a good farmer.
5. Say he knows he is hiring a murderer, Then What?
>> Do You get Charged Trump, as it was Your Call, and Your Decision Making, and don’t go blaming it on the Farmer NOW!!
This is idiotic on its face! Why have any rules, as everyone wouldn’t do X, Y OR even Z RIGHT??? Just because things are not going the way you had planned and hoped that they would?
>>> I thought You were better than this! Stop the BS and Straighten this crap out the right way, and stop making excuses…
If you flip flop enough times no one knows what is policy & what isn’t, perfect for a dictator. In the confusion who can even begin to fight back. This flip flopping is deliberate to keep the state of chaos & confusion in place, that way The Grifter in Chief can lie & lie without the exhausted masses knowing what’s what.
We can’t call Trump a Dictator, because He can’t be by definition (Keyword is “Absolute”), in our System of Governance.
He does flip flop if you will, but often He uses it as a strategy of confusion. He doesn’t need to “Lie” because he has chaos and confusion. With those 2 alone, he has the MSM, News Outlets, and the Democrat Party.
They together spread more than enough lies, and then afterwards comes His Chaos. He is a Master at this overall type of negotiating.
The Only one that knows what’s going on, at times, is Him.
Not inviting it, but anyone notice that Trump is not sending ICE to nursing homes even though many of their workers are not documented? He is selectively choosing the industries to attack and raids on nursing homes would piss off his donors. Also, notice no run on Russian undocumented immigrants. The corruption could not run any deeper.
Trump is exactly whom our forefathers were worried about.
That’s cuz Americans refuse to wipe their dying parents backside cuz the parents left them nothing but a failing economy, massive un-payable debts, crappy education, crappy healthcare, no ability to marry, have children & create their own family. The moral contract of leaving ya children a better life than you has been broken by Boomers. Now the Boomers need immigrants to do what their children would have done had they not destroyed their future & happiness.
In the old days you died young after a lifetime of physical labor so there was no need to wipe dying people’s backsides for a decade or more. Also when times were tough, Grandpa would go out hunting in the woods which was a tacit admission he wasn’t coming home in order to reduce the mouths to feed etc.
“In the old days”, what the hell has this got to do with my factual comment about the greed & selfishness of baby boomers? What ya talking about has nothing to do with my comment & even then was a tiny fraction of what was going on. You miss the point, living longer isn’t the culprit here, dismantling all that is good in a society for more wealth is the problem.
“what the hell has this got to do with my factual comment about the greed & selfishness of baby boomers”?
A boatload, because it’s an ignorant comment to make. I know wealthy, middle class, lower class, and poor Boomers. I am one myself. I know hundreds of others as well. And none of them or myself fit that bill.
That doesn’t say some don’t because by averages I am certain, but not even remotely close to all of them. That’s a fact!
With all of the Climate Change an ice flow send-off is out of the question.
Futurist Faith Popcorn predicted this back in 1991. Did you buy her book?
Be honest. You’d be furious if Trump did this.
This is the problem. The selectively outraged would be furious no matter what he does.
Just admit it.
Russian undocumented immigrants should be immediately administered an IQ test.
His Administration is not supposed to be attacking anyone. They are supposed to be arresting those breaking our Country’s Immigration Laws. They have outwardly said that they were going after the worst, but if they ran into some others by chance, as a result of that, then they would also be taken into custody, obviously.
Nursing homes are pretty safe as a non-target, I would venture to guess, but have a few incidents pop up, and they will be looked at as well, I would imagine,
So while the mighty US is focused on immigration, equality and DEI, China continues to focus on the future and how to get there before the US. And the winner is????
China already won. Now what? Any good stock market tips?
The country with safe, clean streets where the population can focus on education and improvements.
Temporary pass? Why not just freaking pass immigration reform? Oh wait, that would mean these immigrant-wage-slaves would actually be paid legal wages, have to pay FICA and other taxes and that would cost business too much so we just continue on with this circus.
A circus for the rabid MAGA bigots that shows Trump is doing something
A circus for the farmers, hotels, and other industries that says he’ll back off
A circus of the legislature that doesn’t do anything for the American people
Tough “macho TACO” sound bites, news clips, alligator cages make the circus entertainment thrilling for the haters. Too bad this circus has cost $8 billion and not really achieved anything but the waste will go on and in 5 years, they’ll be begging for immigrants.
Go ahead and let the crops rot, I’ve got an exit strategy to the land of plenty 😉
https://www.newsweek.com/ice-immigration-raids-farms-crops-rotting-2092749
Why yes. They love the cheap labor because it increases their margins. You haven’t left yet?
I wish Doug78. I know you left for greener socialist pastures to France, I’m leaving to greener capitalist pastures in Asia. Ironic how the former communist countries are now better capitalists than America.
Just a few more months…..I’ll be sure to post when it happens. I hop on my ship tomorrow for the summer.
Enjoy your summer vacation and stay safe.
Why did you get downvoted for this “Stay safe” comment? lol, some proper nasty idiotic sheeple on this comment section lol
Then leave and stop keep talking about leaving.
Good Luck, I hope you both find peace and prosperity.
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The reason for the temporary pass is that Trump loves things that he can do on his own without any legislation or approval. Just like his threat today to investigate Musk. He wants to have leverage and the ability to wield threats. I think that in the long term it is going to be the erosion of the rule of law into the rule of whim that will hurt the United States more than the current inept economic policies.
“Temporary pass? Why not just freaking pass immigration reform?”
WHY? Because there’s a huge divide between the REAL conservatives & everyone else.
REAL IMMIGRATION REFORM from a conservative standpoint does these things and I’m probably missing a few:
Would not give amnesty to anyone.
Would require everyone to come out of shadows & register with the potential for being deported with a reasonable timeframe for returning legally.
Would require illegals to pay a fine.
Would bar anyone who doesn’t register & is deported from being able to return to the US
Would make asylum claims extremely difficult as it should be.
Would require illegals receiving government assistance to self-deport.
Would require all companies to use e-Verify and be subject to real damages for not following the law.
Even backing off on some of that has no chance of passing the Senate filibuster.
And most importantly, neither party has a real plan that could be passed. Immigration is one of the hot button issues than define what the UniParty is all about.
That’s why!
That would require the deadbeats you voted for in congress to do their job. That’s not going to happen.
The US have always been reliant on slave labor. It’s a feature.
“Men at Work”
“I Come From The Land Down Under”
1982?
Another piece of the puzzle, from AI.
Central American Countries’ Reliance:
In summary: Remittances sent by US immigrants, including a considerable portion from those who are undocumented, are vital for both Mexico and several Central American nations. This money supports households, stimulates economies, and acts as a crucial safety net for vulnerable populations
Significant Source of Income: Remittances make up about 4.5% of Mexico’s GDP and are the largest single source of foreign income.
Household Support: Remittances provide crucial support for Mexico’s poorest households, covering basic needs like food, clothing, and healthcare.
Informal Labor Sector: This income is particularly important for the roughly 60% of Mexicans working in the informal labor sector, who often lack stable employment.
Economic Stability: Remittances have played a role in buffering against economic downturns and are considered a pillar of the Mexican economy, particularly for vulnerable populations.
Growth in Remittances: Remittances to Mexico from the US have increased significantly over the past decade.
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How to hire an illegal: The illegal forms an LLC and obtains a tax I’d #. This can even be done from outside the US on line. The employer’s company writes the payment for services check to the illegal’s LLC. There is no withholding for SS, Medicare or income tax. The illegal can file a LLC tax return and deduct all his “business expenses” such as transportation, meals, clothing, etc. Everyone knows how to play this game.
You forgot to add creating a South Dakota trust so the govs can’t touch your money and your family doesn’t know where it is too.
Have you set up your S. Dakota residency yet, LOL
You could hire a legal worker that way also. There is no requirement to be an illegal to request an LLC. Fortunately that doesn’t really work. I had a single member LLC (which is a pass through entity) as an engineer contracted to Chevron and the state shut that down since they wanted their cut off taxes for unemployment insurance, state disability insurance, and the like. So I had to change my LLC to a corporation and hire myself as an employee which made me withhold all of these taxes. In addition, when you try to get a bank account for your LLC, the KYC (Know Your Customer) laws will require IDs and taxpayer IDs for all of the officers. And I was legal.
What you are describing does not hold for any significant number of workers.
Yes, you are correct.
But that does not compute for those like Irondoor that are 100% confident everyone but him is scamming the system.
Kind of like how so many MAGA are now quiet about Musk NOT finding $2T in fraud and abuse as soon as he and Trump had access to the US’ computer files.
Create more and more uncertainty among the illegals, then they will read the writing and deport themselves. Of course, those who believe in unlimited illegal migration into the US will be very unhappy. Supply and demand. If you have less supply of cheap labor, wages will rise. It’s good for those who are paid wages but bad for those who pay the wages. I understand why people would like cheap prices because you see those prices right away where the benefits of higher wages you need more time to see and appreciate. Nevertheless I prefer to have a healthy wage-earning population to cheap prices. Call it a quirk if you will.
The JOLTS report just came out. 7.77m job openings over estimated 7.3m.
Wonder where that 400k gap came from? Boomers retiring and maybe the ICE round ups.
https://www.bls.gov/jlt/
Boomers “dying suddenly”, hopes it makes your day!
I agree. We’re heading into a very important transition for our country / economy. There are lots of college age students who need their employment expectations reset. As I’ve been saying for many years now, the main area that needs to be targeted are semi to skilled residential construction & services jobs. Almost everything that goes into residential construction & home repairs needs to be reset over a reasonable period of time.
Legal immigrants can keep picking fruit (for now until robotics kick in, clean hotel rooms, pack meat & do all the landscaping they want.
There should not be a single illegal or legal doing things like framing houses, working on electrical & plumbing crews, installing & servicing HVAC systems.
Builders are sitting on FAT margins that can pay higher wages.
Again, how we get there is the correct policies, regulations, enforcement, messaging, & reset of expectations.
<< Nevertheless I prefer to have a healthy wage-earning population to cheap prices.>>
The liberals have been advocating for this philosophy for decades, citing Sweden, Germany, Norway, Denmark, and all other lily-white North European countries.
For Norway they say “yeah, the sandwich is $40 but the worker is paid well“.
But God forbid that thing ever happens to the USA… they’ll be screaming “the cost is high because we don’t have cheap labor anymore“. And at the same time, they double the minimum wage in California and New York!
This is not about policy. This is about miserably complaining 24/7.
Trump is not perfect, but at least he’s not trying to undo the country itself by opening the borders wide open.
Spot on. When we import the poorest of the poor, wages go down for the poor and working poor already here. The open border whores don’t like it when the truth is uttered, but that’s what it is.
It’s worth pointing out that he campaigned on a pledge to get rid of all immigrants. On that issue he’s supported by his loathsome base. Now that the dime has dropped and people are catching on that this is an act of economic self sabotage he wants to back peddle, but only for red states I imagine. We still have the Stasi, I mean ICE, on the streets of LA in addition to the marines.
Ironically, dumb farmers were true Trump supporters so they are merely reaping what they have sown. Let them go bankrupt or do the work all themselves with those magical robots.
Farmer Cargill, Farmer ADM, Farmer Tyson …
TDS gummies available at your nearest dispensary.
This shows that Trump does NOT have a comprehensive plan that encourages businesses & workers to move SOME jobs away from illegals. In addition, he doesn’t have a plan to pass comprehensive immigration reform that’s tilted towards ending the asylum gravy train & getting most illegals out of shadows through a legal registration process that’s subject to deportation.
He doesn’t have a plan to force businesses to eventually use e-Verify backed up by real enforcement. There’s no national plan that puts it all together into a comprehensive roadmap. The same thing can be said about solving the budget deficit & certainly his tariff policies.
All he’s got, which I’m very happy about, is deportations, and I’m glad to see workplace enforcements are ramping up.
From a policy standpoint though I’m about 80% in the TACO Trump camp.
BUT we’re WAY better off not having a Dem controlled government. The reality is that NOBODY’s got a real plan.
Up here in Canada I know people with farms that hire hundreds of Mexican workers every year. Many of them have been coming back every season for over 20 years. They pay taxes and send the money to family back home. Government subsidy programs have been used to pay higher wages to Canadian workers to take over but they never work. Locals find the work too hard. They come for one day and then never return. Understand that the Mexicans are doing jobs most Amercans will never want. They would rather live in a box in an alley than work that hard while the Mexicans are happy to do it – for less. Not allowing them in will just kill farms. And it is the same for many hospitality workers like the ones cleaning rooms in Trump’s hotels and on his construction projects that he is known to often not even pay at times. No surprise he wants a pause on deporting them. Trump cares about Trump.
Those same programs exist in the US too. They’ve been around forever.
I’m not aware of government subsidies to the construction industry, outside the DoT. Residential construction is the area with the most upside. I’m not wanting farm workers replaced. Automation is going to take care of them a lot sooner than most think. I’m not concerned about landscapers, meat packers & hotel maids.
BUT WHAT MATTERS IN THESE INDUSTRIES IS THAT THEY’RE FILLED WITH LEGAL IMMIGRANTS WHO PAY TAXES TO THE FED & STATE GOVERNMENTS.
It’s a FACT that big builders are still sitting on 35% gross margin.
It’s a FACT that there are millions of college students that need a reset of their employment expectations.
Again, it’s about policies, messaging & changing national will.
Nobody says it’s going to be easy, but doing the same path nowadays is downright F’ING CRAZY.
We are on the verge of a massive shift in employment expectations as AI & robotics scale up. When we hit AGI, that’s when everyone had better start paying attention. According to this tracker, AGI arrives by 2028.
The AGI Clock – When Will Artificial General Intelligence Arrive?
“I’m not aware of government subsidies to the construction industry, outside the DoT.”
Officially none. Unofficially, the prevailing wage requirement is in effect a subsidy since it forces union wages to be paid rather than going with cost based bidding.
Oh, it’s “unofficial” now. Got it.
The prevailing wage in construction even for illegals is a lot higher than you might think.
If we slowly start getting rid of these illegals and replacing them with Americans, then wages will rise.
It’s that simple. Again, everything else is primarily policies, regulations & messaging.
But without a cohesive plan, it’s not going to happen which is probably what Trump & the UniParty want.
Sure, Rob. NOBODY in CA wants to work hard. Got it.
Irrespective of Trump’s hot-then-cold behavior, I think the message is getting out south of the border that more illegal immigrants are not welcome. So there’s that.
What difference do you think that makes? As soon as a dem is president again, the floodgates will open and the new POTUS will have all new powers granted to him/her by SCOTUS to do as they please.
How about an executive order that instantly grants ALL immigrants citizenship and automatic membership in the democratic party?
Why stop there, why not have an executive order that makes every immigrant auto-vote for a democrat representative.
An executive order that all universities have to teach woke-trans-dei enablement.
The possibilities are endless and all brought to you by a rogue Trump and dumb SCOTUS.
You reap what you sow. It’ll be fun watching!
And then the democrats will send the drag queens to kindergarten to trans the immigrants’ kids and they’ll vote republican.
Yeah, what difference does it make if illegal immigrants think they can’t stay and it might not be worth the risk of going? Wow, you’re not much of a thinker.
Corporate America First!
No C-suiters up for felony charges per 1955 laws. Bimbo Blondie is too busy criminalizing free speech.