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The US and G-7 Allies Are Torn Over Dependence on China

Reducing Dependence on China

The Wall Street Journal reports U.S., Allies Weigh How to Reduce Economic Ties With China

The Group of Seven advanced democracies are growing concerned that China, a dominant supplier of many goods and materials, could similarly cut off key exports in the event of a conflict or another pandemic, according to top Western economic officials. They also worry that Western investment and expertise, if left unrestricted, could help develop Beijing’s military.

But G-7 officials say they are also trying to avoid beggar-thy-neighbor steps that undermine global economic growth as they try to unify behind specific policy measures that reduce dependence on China. The G-7 comprises the U.S., Canada, France, Germany, Italy, the U.K. and Japan.

“The big strategic choice that we have is whether in seeking to strengthen our supply chain resilience…we do so in a way that tumbles the world back into protectionism,” Jeremy Hunt, the U.K.’s chancellor of the exchequer, said in an interview last week in Washington. He said Western allies should “work together as fellow democracies to improve that resilience.”

“The question is, can we be more determined to enhance security of supplies, but not push the world that far that we are into a second Cold War?” IMF Managing Director Kristalina Georgieva, of Bulgaria, said at a press conference last week. “I am among those who know what are the consequences of a Cold War. It is a loss of talent and contribution to the world. I don’t want to see that repeated.”

German Coalition Torn Over China

Eurointelligence reports the EU and Germany is Torn over China

The other coalition crisis that is currently playing out in Germany is between the SPD and the Greens. It is about China. Normally, this is a fight the SPD would be expected to win: SPD+industry+media vs. the Greens. But it is more complicated than this. This time it is the Greens+Biden+Von der Leyen. Olaf Scholz is torn. He needs to keep both his coalition and the transatlantic alliance together.

[Mish Notes: Olaf Scholz is the German Chancellor. SPD plus the Greens and FDP are in a 3-way fragile German coalition led by Scholz. Ursula von der Leyen is President of the European Commission.]

The conservative wing of the SPD is criticizing the Greens over what it called an anti-China policy, and warns about disastrous economic consequences for Germany in particular. China is Germany’s largest trading partner. The Greens retorted that the SPD has learned nothing from its catastrophic Russia policies. It is always doing business with autocratic regimes. This is not a lower level brawl. This is one of the fundamental ideological conflicts playing out in German and European politics right now.

Scholz is not inclined to show leadership in Europe, neither alone nor together with Emmanuel Macron. He has instead re-enforced the transatlantic partnership, a policy we think will last for as long as Joe Biden is in office. The pressure on Scholz to toughen policy on China is more likely to come from the US than from the Greens. But the Greens hold two critical ministries – foreign and economics – which collude on forging a new China strategy. Robert Habeck has been blocking a number of planned Chinese acquisitions and investments. The European Commission is also in the process of revising its China strategy. Ursula von der Leyen’s recent speech is very close to the Green’s own position. Both seek a greater representation of geopolitical and security issues in the EU’s China policy.

Three Conflicting Goals

  1. Reduce dependence on China
  2. Avoid protectionism
  3. Appease the Greens

Impossible Requirements 

1 + 2 is difficult if not impossible. 2 + 3 is difficult if not impossible. 1 + 3 is difficult is not impossible.

1 + 2 + 3 is 100% guaranteed impossible.

As an added bonus, please factor in Taiwan.

Then factor in China’s control of rare earth elements and permanent magnets. The permanent magnets and other rare earth elements are used in cell phones, missiles, wind turbines, and electric vehicles.

China May Ban Rare Earth Tech Exports on Security Concerns

Asia Financial reports China Contemplating Export Ban on Rare-Earth Magnets.

Bloomberg reports China Contemplating Export Ban on Rare-Earth Magnets.

China is considering imposing an export ban on “certain rare-earth magnet technology” in retaliation for the US restricting exports of advanced computer chips.

There has long been speculation of such a move, given China’s dominant role in the production of rare earth elements, as more than two thirds of the global supply of rare earths is processed on the mainland.

Concern that Beijing would do this again has prompted the United States and allies such as Canada, Australia and Japan to spend many millions of dollars creating their own supply chains of ‘critical minerals’.

One of the main reasons that has not happened already is the fact that processing rare earth is a toxic process that creates wastewater and tailing ponds that leak acids, heavy metals and substances such as cadmium, lead and thorium, a low-level radioactive element, most of which are harmful to human health.

China’s dominance of the rare earths processing stems from its lax environmental standards, which allowed it to produce rare earths at a far cheaper price than any international rivals.

Bloomberg notes that China has sanctions on Lockheed Martin which violated China’s core interest over arms sale to Taiwan.

The US gets 80 percent of its rare earth elements from China. The EU is even more dependent.

Twelve Rare Earth Elements You Need to Know

Politico has a report on The Critical Raw Materials You Need to Know

Rare earth elements are crucial for the production of many high-tech products. They are key, for example, for producing permanent magnets — an essential component of smartphones, TVs, computers, as well as car and wind turbine engines.

The EU is increasingly concerned about the availability of these minerals and metals — in particular, it wants to shore up its supply of the so-called critical raw materials that are key to hitting its green and digital ambitions.

For now, the bloc is heavily reliant on autocratic regimes, particularly China, to supply these materials — a form of dependency that risks leaving it highly politically vulnerable.

The EU is fully dependent on imports to satisfy its demand for rare earths. China currently provides nearly 99 percent of the EU’s supply of these minerals, as well as about 98 percent of its rare earth permanent magnets.

Spectacular Failure Underway

The US and EU need rare earths to meet environmental goals and they get rare earths from China.

It takes about 12 years to get a rare earth mine into production under normal circumstances and these circumstances are not normal.

The US and EU greens will fight every step of the way in permitting a new mine on a NIMBY and environmental basis.

Any attempt to eliminate fossil fuels by 2035, as Biden nationally, and the state of California are independently trying, will massively increase costs then fail spectacularly.

Damn the Inflation, Full Speed Ahead

Biden’s and California’s energy policy can easily be summed up in meme phrases.

  • Damn the Inflation, Full Speed Ahead
  • What, Me Worry?
  • The world will end in 12 years if we don’t address climate change.

On March 22, 2022, I commented Biden Doing Everything Possible to Drive Up the Price of Oil, Some of It’s Illegal

On November 30, 2022, I commented The EU is Very Worried About Biden’s Inflation Reduction Act (IRA)

On December 3, 2022, I commented Damn That Wind, It’s Not Listening to Biden or AOC

On February 7, 2023, I commented Biden Gives a Well-Delivered SOTU Speech Begging for More Inflation and Tax Hikes

On January 16, 2023, I commented “America First”, Biden and Trump Both Guilty of Sponsoring Inflation

Biden’s Energy Policy Mandates Cause Severe Shortage of Electrical Steel and Transformers

In case you missed it, please see Biden’s Energy Policy Mandates Cause Severe Shortage of Electrical Steel and Transformers

California Utilities Seek to Charge People Based On Income, Not Energy Usage

Finally, please consider California Utilities Seek to Charge People Based On Income, Not Energy Usage

PG&E knows it will have to raise prices significantly. Under guise of fairness, the proposal is a blatant Marxist ploy to mask the cost of inane carbon policies.

It won’t stop with energy. Look for “affordable housing” rent surtaxes based on income as the next logical target.

Then look for the state to attempt to tax those fleeing from these Marxist ideas.

Meanwhile, someone please tell me how we are going to reduce dependence on China, avoid protectionism, and appease the Greens with their preposterous demands to eliminate gasoline-powered vehicles by 2035.

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astroboy
astroboy
3 years ago
1+2 = necessary, unless you want America to be China’s poorest, but largest, province in 50 years. As far as 3 goes, hey, look at all that crystal clear air in Beijing! The Greens would love China to run the planet. Seriously, America put a man on the moon, won WWII, invented the internet, lightbulb, telephone, airplane, etc etc, I’m pretty sure the US is up to inventing clean energy at a reasonable price.
Economics are one thing. A strategic threat is another, and that’s a whole lot more important than if the cost of stuff goes up a bit. America is in the same position as Japan on December 8, 1941. Undefeatable at the moment, but with no industrial base they couldn’t replace the ships and planes that were inevitably lost, whereas America could do that without breaking a sweat. Once those nice supercarriers take a hit, there’s no way to replace them. If America went to war with China we’d have to buy our bullets from them.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Please note – it takes about 2-3 years to get a rare earth mine into production.
But first it takes about 10 years of Government applications and reviews and lawsuits and re-reviews, etc..
After which you might lose and it’s all for naught.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
It is difficult to have your cake and eat it too if you have already eaten 3/4 of the cake.
alexwest
alexwest
3 years ago
#mish forgot one thing for analysis. it is called price of labor
in china people , hard working people, work for 20 $ per day. in USA you won’t find person who is willng to work for 20$ per hour
only altenative would be India. problem is China is generations ahead of India in term of social/ indistrial infractructure.
————
from geo. standpoint India is closer to middle east (oil ,gas) and europe, but further from Asia ( china s.korea , japan, usa)
India and China dont have much energy, relative to population (about 1.5 bln), but China is closer to North Russia,and Canada and USA
thus summing up: industtries won’t return to europe/USA EVER.!!!!
alx
ps
and don’t get me started about social tensions in USA. and ligitation.
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
3 years ago
There is no way out of this situation without feeling pain. So the real question people should ask is, “How can we avoid the most amount of pain?” For starters, the amount of consumerism will have to be reduced. Kids used to make it through high school without a cell phone. People used to play musical instruments or sports for entertainment. Before designer coffee shops, people bought plain coffee or made their own. People also made their own meals. America will need to close its borders to immigrants who can’t pay a huge entrance fee. The push for EV’s will need to be delayed several more DECADES. SUV’s will have to be phased out and replaced by high efficiency compact cars. Nuclear energy will have to be expanded to provide lower energy costs that will offset higher manufacturing costs for domestically made semiconductors. Minimum wage will have to come down to encourage investing in new domestic factories. High schools and colleges will have to cut back heavily on liberal arts / XXX studies, and instead ramp up trades and STEM programs.
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
“The Group of Seven advanced democracies” had autocratic Covid policies. Klaus Schwab intends for all to own nothing and be happy doing so. Global top down command and control.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
You will own nothing and be schizophrenic.
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Ideology against Reality
Benevolent dictator von der Lugen vs authoritarian dictator XI.
Who will win? In the end, reality, but perhaps after the ship of state sinks.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
Reply to  Webej
Von der Lugen and conquistadoras Borell all lining up for audience with Xi. Did they get a red carpet or had to wait on the mat?
Please president Xi talk sense to Putin until we finalize our 5-year plan for Asian-NATO. How is that for a deal, huh?
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Look at it from the ethical point of view.
MPO45v2
MPO45v2
3 years ago
Meanwhile, someone please tell me how we are going to reduce dependence on China, avoid protectionism, and appease the Greens with their preposterous demands to eliminate electric vehicles by 2035.
How was it done before China came into the picture?
I can name several ways though:
1. Become like the Amish – no dependence on electricity or rare earth minerals or much of anything else.
2. Become poor – similar to #1, the poor get by with very little, these are people known as the “meek” and they shall inherit the earth.
3. Reduce lifestyle – no more gas guzzling SUVs with GPS guidance and SiriusXM and forget EVs too; no more 4000 sq ft mcmansions.
Of course the list will be laughable to many in the west because even the smallest of discomfort is not to be tolerated by the entitled class of westerners.
The things I listed above are an inevitability, too many people aging too fast and not enough educated young people to take over much less enough resources for everyone to live the current american lifestyle. Forget the promise of AI, robots, or magic wand Jesus to fix any of these problems.
Everything that is considered normal today (travel, cars, excessive/cheap food, etc) will all be luxuries by 2050. For those that will be alive to see it, you have my sympathies and apologies.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45v2
The same BS was said in the 1970s. We all should have died from starvation and pollution decades ago.
MPO45v2
MPO45v2
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Millions around the world have died of pollution and starvation since the 70s what is different this time is that it’ll come to you this time around.
alexwest
alexwest
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Malthus was first . centuries ago.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45v2
You mean that before China came into the picture we were all poor and that it was China that uplifted our existence? Or do you mean that without China we would all be poor? Or do you mean that it doesn’t matter if there is China or not because we will all be poor in the future anyway? It’s hard to get your drift.
MPO45v2
MPO45v2
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Well the only thing China brought to the table after it was admitted into the WTO was cheap/slave labor and it seems that’s really what the question is, “where is our cheap slave labor going to come from to maintain my lifestyle” is a better formed question. Unfortunately, China has an aging demographic problem so no more low cost slaves. The last two places to get lots of low wage slaves are India or parts of Africa. I guess that’s why Apple is pushing hard to get India up and running. Unfortunately, neither place has the necessary infrastructure to make it an easy and quick transition so it will be painful unless you cut back. And yes, we’ll all be poorer by 2035 no matter what…
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45v2
If it is only for assembly the cheap labor will probably come from robots that will be much for sophisticated, tireless and not unionized. The humanoid ones look especially promising since they have the same body plan as us and could therefore replace us for most mundane physical tasks. They could work 24/7 without breaks. Hard to beat that even with quasi-slave labor. In 2035 we will be richer because we will be able to keep all the additional productivity and give the highly intelligent yet subservient robots almost nothing.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
I have noticed that when automation is worked 24×7 it breaks down more frequently.
And at inconvenient times.
And with needed spare parts not immediately available.
alexwest
alexwest
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
=to the picture we were all poor
usa become rich after ww2 cause most of modern world was destroyed. and later USSR took over half
of 3rd world.
do you remember thing called great depression? if ww2 did not happen who knows what would have happened in usa?
alexwest
alexwest
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45v2
good ones. like amish point!
aint gonna happen!
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
The CPI for fun : L1 is a downtrend from 1920 to 1947 highs. L2 is a parallel line from 1990 to 2008 highs. The CPI landed on L2.
How about a zigzag to 9%/11%.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Rare earths are not much of a worry. Everyone has big stockpiles now, have built up processing capacity and are finding alternatives. MP Materials built a large processing facility in two years time. It now processes rare earths from its mine in California. Rare earths are not rare and the processing is 1920’s technology. Building the facilities is easy. Getting permits is not in normal times but easy in emergencies. Germany built three LNG terminals in less than a year last year. Normally it would have taken several years mainly because of the studies, permits and bureaucracy. This time Germany need the terminals and when some groups tried to delay them legally as they always do the German government just steamrolled over them this time and gave the necessary permits. The US and other Western governments would so the same if China decides to cut off the rare earths. China tries that with Japan a few years back. Didn’t work at all.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
“Meanwhile, someone please tell me how we are going to reduce dependence on China, avoid protectionism, and appease the Greens with their preposterous demands to eliminate electric vehicles by 2035.”
Building more factories in-country or in allied ones would reduce dependence on China. Drop the fantasy of free trade, recognize that some industries are necessary to protect the economy from disruptions. Russian oil and gas is a great example of what happens when your principle source of a needed input is subject to blackmail. Last of all even Greens can be lucid sometimes as the German ones were when Russia invade Ukraine. Those in the government greenlighted at lot of measures that go against their nature because they saw an existential menace so it is possible although rare. There are a lot of Greens in Europe and few of them took the pacifist line. In the US the Greens can still afford to wildly unreasonable because they are not under the same civilizational risks as the European ones are. Last of all 2035 is far away and a lot can happen in the meantime. Ten years ago we had ideas on what 2023 would be like but frankly hindsight tells us that we were pretty bad at predicting.
Avery
Avery
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Agreed.
Where are the chips coming from for the electric stoves? Let me front-run that trade like I’m in Congress or something!
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Avery
Monitor their trades closely.
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Russian oil and gas is a great example of what happens when your principle source of a needed input is subject to blackmail.
What blackmail? What was the ask? When was the threat issued? Please be specific. Did anything go wrong with supply?
All I know about is the US blew up the NordStream pipeline in an international act of war and terrorism.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Webej
Russia in mid 2022 cut gas deliveries because of “maintenance” when there was no need. Don’t take the Europeans for fools. The message from Russia was quite clear. Cut support for Ukraine or you will have a cold winter. Russia expected Europe and especially Germany to comply but they didn’t. Don’t try to play the wronged party. The time for that is way passed.
alexwest
alexwest
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
=s deliveries because of “maintenance”
YOU DO REMEMBER WHAT USA/EU did to russian money in europe ? 100% against law!
after EU proposed to freeze russian oil.gas money in banks in europe?
mo$ron, stay away from things you have no idea!
jsut shut up!
xbizo
xbizo
3 years ago
Reply to  alexwest
Laws are meant to be broken when existential conditions arise.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  xbizo
Precisely.
“Rule of Law” is for stupid suckers as everyone with an education knows.
It is a matter of convenience and appearances.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  alexwest
When Japan destroyed Nanking the US froze their assets in the US but we were not yet at war with them. When Hitler invaded France we froze their assets in the US also but we were not at war with them. Freezing assets of belligerents is done to show disapproval and to crimp their war-making abilities. Why are you complaining Alexest. You must have known it would happen.
alexwest
alexwest
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
=cut gas deliveries because of “maintenance” w
mo$ron. russia still delivers gas over ‘uki’ territory! even in 2023
after getting paid!
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  alexwest
Yes Russia delivers some gas to Hungry and Serbia via Ukraine. How long do you think that will last?
alexwest
alexwest
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
=Building more factories in-country
sure. where ? Chicago, SF or baltimore?
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  alexwest
Texas, the Midwest and just about anywhere else. Have you looked at a map?
Avery
Avery
3 years ago
Will the U.S. still have China at Most Favored Nation trade status after the nukes are launched?
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
Trump is a joke, Biden is a caricature figurine and Shi is a barbie doll
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  8dots
So Putin is Pinocchio? Or the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man?
Eighthman
Eighthman
3 years ago
It’s amazing how forbearent and patient the Chinese are. I haven’t seen even a hint of reaction to the building wave of restrictions on what they are allowed to buy in the West. Various authorities keep restricting land, factories, businesses. I doubt they will agree to keep on buying up US IOU’s, so something has to give. Maybe they don’t want to demand yuan for rare earths and other products because it would make their currency too strong.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Eighthman
I think the Chinese stopped buying USD debt a few years ago. They may be doing it via a proxy, but officially their USD holdings have been slowly going down. I think they’re buying gold, oil, and investing in their belt and road initiative instead.
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
China does not buy dollars, they receive them in payment for trade.
Did they stop the export trade so they would get dollars?
What did they do with the dollars they received in payment for trade?
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Webej
They buy USD debt. Not USD. Their US treasury holdings have been steadily going down for years.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
They are reinvesting the trade surplus in infrastructure projects in Asia, and infrastructure for minerals in Africa. They do run into problems in Africa which is basket case. They need to send whole crews to support the projects, the talent is thin on the ground.
But better lose some than support the US MIC.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
Something have happened during the G-7. Iran and NK are Shi most important proxies. Nasrallah and the Palestinians don’t want to die for Iran. Special forces raided Nablus Highlanders and Jenin. The Gurkhas in Gaza are relatively quiet. More people died in Alabama than during the Ramadan. If Biden gives hell to Bibi the Highlanders and the Gurkhas might be his best fighters, more effective than the privileged high tech ladies and Israel best of the best to attack, the Israeli fighter pilots ==> if their diktats dominate. Things can change, first slowly before faster.
Bibi is more afraid of Biden than Nasrallah and Gaza Gurkhas.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Let’s see; China bad. We must not need them. We won’t do anything to make that happen. China still the problem. Did I miss anything? Klown world is so boringly predictable.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
What’s not mentioned is how the Chinese are way ahead of us in battery technology, solar panel production and EV cars. Maybe the most important technologies for the next few decades. Outside of Tesla, the US, European, and Japanese auto manufacturers are heavily in debt and can’t compete on EV car production with China.
Also, the Russians and the Chinese are way ahead of us in hypersonic missile technology. The Russians have demonstrated they can hit a target accurately at 7000 mph. If they launch one at an aircraft carrier and hit, the aircraft carrier will split in half. Even if our close in defense system hits it. Which is very unlikely. The kinetic energy alone is enough. It’s like being hit with an asteroid carrying a payload. By far the best non nuclear weapon.
I see the issue with Europe is, behind the scenes, they can see the writing on the wall and want to ally with Russia and China. Problem is they don’t know how the US will react. We’re very unstable right now and are led by complete morons.
Naphtali
Naphtali
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Europe should act now, while morons are still in charge.
xbizo
xbizo
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
You actually think the EU would chase technology over western values for long term alliances? While economic dominance could shift to Asia in say 50 years, doesn’t that also enable political, military and cultural dominance? Yuck. The EU should get off the U.S. dole, build their own military and find partners in Africa to build out their supply chains.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  xbizo
Precisely.
You spend a lot of money eating Chinese and an hour or two later you are hungry again.

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