Trump Demands “Unconditional Surrender” by Iran, Threatens to Enter the War

Trump also threatens to kill Ayatollah Khamenei.

We Know Where Khamenei Is

The Wall Street Journal reports Trump Considering Options Including Possible U.S. Strike Against Iran

President Trump is considering a range of options, including a potential U.S. strike against Iran, and met with top advisers in the Situation Room at the White House on Tuesday, administration officials said. Trump earlier said on social media that the U.S. knew the location of the country’s leader but was choosing not to take any action, and then said, “UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER!”

President Trump’s Situation Room meeting on Iran has concluded, the White House said. It ran about 1 hour and 20 minutes. The White House didn’t immediately provide details on the meeting.

More than 100,000 Israelis scrambling to find a way back home as their loved ones are under regular bombardment from Iranian ballistic missiles. It is the first time in Israel’s 76-year history that its main international airport has been closed without any timeline for reopening

Massie Says No

Do you agree with Massie that it’s not our war?

Close to a Nuclear weapon or not?

Lindsey Graham

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Scooot
Scooot
9 months ago

He wants to fire the winning missile.

Jojo
Jojo
9 months ago
Reply to  Scooot

I hope Trump signs those bunker buster bombs.

RonJ
RonJ
9 months ago

Lindsey Graham: “Taking the Ayatollah’s regime down is a good thing, not a bad thing. And I’m willing to risk what happens next.”

Fauci said that Gain of Function was worth the risk of a pandemic. We now know how bad the outcome was.

Jojo
Jojo
9 months ago
Reply to  RonJ

BS! Covid wasn’t something to get all worked up about. So it killed a few million worldwide. That’s a rounding error on a population of 8 BILLION! The vast majority who died were old, suffering multiple diseases and didn’t need to be saved.

Sentient
Sentient
9 months ago

To their credit, Democrats are far less supportive of Israel and more supportive of the Palestinians, but they are quiet about Trump’s support for Israel’s attack on Iran because they see that it’s an obvious “own goal”. Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake. The coming US v Iran war will bloom into disaster just in time for he midterms and will doom GOP presidential chances in 2028. JD Vance has been trying to play both sides here rather than counseling Trump against deeper involvement and refusing to publicly support US action against Iran. That chickenshit approach will make him unviable – tarred with neocon failure.

techolver14159
techolver14159
9 months ago
Reply to  Sentient

Vance has zero influence on Trump.

IRISH
IRISH
9 months ago

Trump again proves to be a moron.who surrenders in self defense actions?

LM2020
LM2020
9 months ago

I hope TACO Trump chickens out. This is madness.

Last edited 9 months ago by LM2020
Arthur Fully
Arthur Fully
9 months ago
  1. How can he ask for “Unconditional Surrender” from a country against which Congress has not declared war?
  2. The nonproliferation treaty to which both the USA and Iran (but not Israel) are signatories guarantees the right of every non-nuclear signatory to enrich uranium but prohibits it from advancing toward development of a nuclear weapon. The US intelligence community has assessed that Iran is not developing a nuclear weapon. How can Israel (a nuclear outlaw like Pakistan and India) demand that Iran not do something allowed by treaty? How can the US attack Iran’s enrichment facilities without violating the Treaty? These are valid questions even if the craven Congress allows the US to be Netanyahu’s sock puppet.
randocalrissian
randocalrissian
9 months ago
Reply to  Arthur Fully

Nobody in the GOP has the morals to explore these issues, because it means questioning Dear Leader. Everyone who reads these words knows this is fact.

MI6
MI6
9 months ago
Reply to  Arthur Fully

Glad to find someone who knows what the intelligence community is doing. You must have a TOP TOPTOP DOUBLE TOP SECRET CLEARANCE.

It’s a very very small step to go from 60% enriched uranium, for which there is no purpose for anything but a weapon, to an actual weapon. For anyone that knows anything about nuclear physics this is a RED FLAG. I’m not a big fan of Netenayu but he’s correct in that we’re at the point where the West is OK with Iran having nukes, or not. For Israel this is an existential threat. I don’t see how they had any choice.

I think it’s idiotic for the US and Iran not to be friends but the current theocracy in Iran prevents that.

Jojo
Jojo
9 months ago
Reply to  MI6

And one fine day, Iran will put out a press release stating that they now have 10 nuke armed missiles. Surprise!

SUCKERS.

threeblindmice
threeblindmice
9 months ago
Reply to  Jojo

Nuclear outlaw Israel pushes Trump to abandon the deal Iran was complying with so that it can attempt to overthrow the Iranian regime. When was Israel appointed ruler of the world? Will Israel give up its own nukes to come into compliance with its demands for Iran? Why is Israel allowed to violate laws for decades while Iran is attacked for even thinking about violating them? Why did the US squander its credibility in order to deceive Iran that the subsequent negotiation was in good faith? Will other countries ever trust the US again or will we simply count on our military to bend the world to our will? Why do Americans support a nation that obtained its nuclear weapons by spying on us and stealing nuclear materials from us?

Jojo
Jojo
9 months ago
Reply to  Arthur Fully

The US Intel agencies don’t exactly have a good record for correct intelligence!.

The IAEA said that Iran not being honest and was blocking them from seeing certain rooms and locations.

Are you familiar with the PT Barnum saying that “There is a sucker born every minute”?

Woodsie Guy
Woodsie Guy
9 months ago

This is the same Trump that tore up the Iran nuclear deal that was working just fine. This is also the same Trump that ordered the assassination of Iranian General Qasem Soleimani while he was on Iraqi soil. It seems to me that Trump is just finishing what he started in his 1st term. Anyone that said or thought that Trump isn’t a war mongering lunatic needs their head examined.

New boss….same as the old boss….

Vote harder next time chumps….

Frosty
Frosty
9 months ago
Reply to  Woodsie Guy

Remember the band DEVO?

They did observe that our society was Devolving.

We now have a president that could never have risen in the world without his fathers riches and being a lying bully. In the process of devolution Americans have become fans of “suspended reality”. Suspended reality is what you have to do when you watch World Wrestling Federation shows. You know it is fake but you still take a side (if your are a fan).

With all the mudslinging in politics and false or hysterical reporting, by news networks that are selling advertising based on polarizing voters we have an electoral crisis.

How anyone voted for trump after his mishandling of building the wall or covid is beyond me.

Yet ~ here we are with the worst president ever living in the White House and calling the shots.

.

randocalrissian
randocalrissian
9 months ago
Reply to  Frosty

How anyone voted for trump after his mishandling of building the wall or covid is beyond me.”

Clearly Trump succeeded by winning the war of insulting presidents, enough people believed Biden was the worst thing ever and now we have the worst thing ever

Woodsie Guy
Woodsie Guy
9 months ago

“…Clearly Trump succeeded by winning the war of insulting presidents, enough people believed Biden was the worst thing ever and now we have the worst thing ever…”

With Trump every accusation is a confession.

Kevin
Kevin
9 months ago

I voted Green only for their foreign policy. They even wanted independence for Puerto Rico! Where are ya gonna get a better deal than that?

Kevin
Kevin
9 months ago

It IS TACO Tuesday after all!

bmcc
bmcc
9 months ago

WHAT better headlines for TACO Bell than to be commander in chief of a big beautiful land war against persian empire, plus a US civil war. there will be Trump statues and schools and boulevards and image on currency for next 200 years. the GOAT of POTUS

Tony Frank
Tony Frank
9 months ago

Is Taco simply trying to be the bully that he is as well as attempt to raise his negative ratings?

J K
J K
9 months ago

Trump has lost his mind. I did not vote for this. He’s out of his mind. Controlled by Zionists. Can we impeach him? I’m concerned he’s going to start a regional or world war like that moron Biden.

America is leaderless. My poor country.

realityczech
realityczech
9 months ago
Reply to  J K

It’s ok. Tucker will have another show for you soon. His soothing words will put your mind at ease.

Pokercat
Pokercat
9 months ago
Reply to  J K

If you voted for trump you voted for this…wake up.

Trump voters you cannot hide, you did this, time to self deport or at least never vote again.

RonJ
RonJ
9 months ago
Reply to  Pokercat

Kamala was such a poor choice. I’ll choose Trump over her, any day.

Pokercat
Pokercat
9 months ago
Reply to  RonJ

That’s just plain stupid.

randocalrissian
randocalrissian
9 months ago
Reply to  J K

In order to impeach him, GOP congresspeople will need to develop the morals they killed off when they swore loyalty to Dear Leader Trump

Tulip Hoard
Tulip Hoard
9 months ago

Train is off the tracks now, my portfolio up 15% in the last few weeks not so bad🎉

randocalrissian
randocalrissian
9 months ago
Reply to  Tulip Hoard

Exactly, I would be a lot more upset if my port wasn’t up 45% since April 9. I can play along so long as my balance is pointing hard up

Pokercat
Pokercat
9 months ago

Reply to DJT. Do you understand that Iran has small drones that can carry explosives for a couple of miles?
I would not be anywhere close to DJT outdoors, indoors who could stand the stink.

realityczech
realityczech
9 months ago
Reply to  Pokercat

DJT back rent is sitting at what? 40k? How long has he been living in your head?

randocalrissian
randocalrissian
9 months ago
Reply to  realityczech

When is the last time you had an actual intellectual idea? TDS, rent free, blah blah, please get some kleenex and diddle yourself in private

Patrick
Patrick
9 months ago

Ayatollah go boom.

randocalrissian
randocalrissian
9 months ago
Reply to  Patrick

Another inteflexual

Maximus Minimus
Maximus Minimus
9 months ago

They say, emperors are lonely, but loosing the support of Tucker Carlson, and Elon Musk in a month, and you only have Netanyahu left to talk to.

realityczech
realityczech
9 months ago

Tucker’s gone!?! Oh no. Anyway…..

Frosty
Frosty
9 months ago

Trump only needs to negotiate with himself. He even makes deals and breaks them with himself. All dependent on if he pees in his pants.

cambeiu
cambeiu
9 months ago

So, what is the US exit strategy if Iran refuses to “unconditionally surrender”? Do we invade and occupy Iran? Do we nuke Iran?

Because when the “art of the deal” orange man demands “unconditional surrender”, that is do or die, total war approach. How do we get out of that now?

I dislike the Democrats as much as anyone, but Obama at least had a deal with Iran, imperfect as it might have been, it was still a deal. A deal that the orange man tore up, and the “new” deal that he is offering now is unconditional surrender or else. And if there is no unconditional surrender, we are going down the “else” path.

America is truly great.

Last edited 9 months ago by cambeiu
Pokercat
Pokercat
9 months ago
Reply to  cambeiu

If we invade Iran we will lose just like we lost in Iraq and Afghanistan. Also another 5 or 10 trillion to the national debt.

Sentient
Sentient
9 months ago
Reply to  Pokercat

Don’t forget millions more refugees flowing into historic Christendom.

Jojo
Jojo
9 months ago
Reply to  Pokercat

But we will destroy Iran In the process and displace the current Islamic Regime. That seems worth a couple of $T.

El Capitan
El Capitan
9 months ago
Reply to  cambeiu

It’s just another complete fantasy that people believe. That he’s a “dealmaker”. Exactly what deals has he made? Can anyone think of even one “deal” that he has made? The USMCA? He later said it was horrible? His “deal” to end the Ukraine war before he was in office? Where is it? Stopping the carnage in Gaza and turning it into Atlantic City on the Med? Where is it? The dude has never made any “deals”.

realityczech
realityczech
9 months ago
Reply to  El Capitan

Most of the comments here read like fantasy, so it seemed like that was the direction the commentariat were heading. I think I see Mr. Roark, our host, over there.

Calif_Lifer
Calif_Lifer
9 months ago

If Trump attacks Iran he will have transformed himself into a NeoCon. MAGA won’t like that. To help with the war efforts he might as well bring in the Cheneys as advisors.

cambeiu
cambeiu
9 months ago
Reply to  Calif_Lifer

MAGA won’t like that.

Most MAGA people have so much of their identity and self-worth invested on this con man that they will do whatever mental gymnastics is necessary.

bmcc
bmcc
9 months ago
Reply to  cambeiu

sounds like much of maga world is gay as fuck.

J K
J K
9 months ago
Reply to  cambeiu

This incorrect. We did not vote him in for wars. We wanted the opposite of Biden.

Sentient
Sentient
9 months ago
Reply to  J K

Look at the comments on The Conservative Treehouse. It is a cult of personality there.

bmcc
bmcc
9 months ago
Reply to  Calif_Lifer

transformed? ffs in first term, trump increased the bombing runs and the MICC spending over obama, who increased it from W the dumber. idiots listen to trump or biden speeches and forget to follow the bombs and money.

techolver14159
techolver14159
9 months ago
Reply to  Calif_Lifer

MAGA is a cult. Watch as they all start singing his tune to invade. They will then quickly pivot to saying that this is all Biden’s fault or some such. There are no principles in the MAGA world like any other cult.

Sentient
Sentient
9 months ago
Reply to  techolver14159

Even if 80% of Trump’s voters follow him down this path of insanity, the other 20% is enough to make Trumpism electorally unviable. As long as the democrat nominee isn’t a tranny in 2028, he’ll waltz into the White House after Trump bogs us down in the Middle East yet again, after promising not to. Iran will end Trump’s presidency and cast the GOP into the wilderness for at least a decade.

Pokercat
Pokercat
9 months ago
Reply to  Sentient

2028 is too late 86/47

techolver14159
techolver14159
9 months ago
Reply to  Sentient

The Jan 6 equivalent this time will be much bigger. I am hoping for a peaceful transfer of power but it may not be possible this time.

Fair elections are also not a given.

J K
J K
9 months ago
Reply to  Calif_Lifer

He can kiss the midterms goodbye. Starting to see Republican and conservative defections. He’ll be a lame duck for those last two years.

Jojo
Jojo
9 months ago
Reply to  J K

A lame duck with control of the American military. Ponder that for a while.

Sentient
Sentient
9 months ago
Reply to  Jojo

They ignored his orders last time and suffered no consequences.

Jojo
Jojo
9 months ago
Reply to  Sentient

As in any military coup, there is at least a core that is willing to follow their leader. Would that be enough for Trump to impose martial law on the country as he solidifies a takeover? We will have to wait and see.

Pokercat
Pokercat
9 months ago
Reply to  Jojo

One of the first of many rules we learned as new enlistees in the army was if you follow an illegal order you have violated the UCMJ and can be held liable. “I was only following orders” is no excuse.

Dave Smith
Dave Smith
9 months ago

I saw in another post where Trump declared we have complete control of Iranian air space.
First, if we have complete control, why are missiles still being fired at civilian targets in Israel? This assumes missiles are not being fired from outside Iran, say Syria.
Second, who is we? If Trump made the statement, it is not a large step to infer we are already involved in some manner. But maybe Trump wants credit for something he did not do, sort of inferred success by association.
Third, how is it Trump and not Israel is demanding complete surrender? After all, supposedly we are not part of the war, or are we?

cambeiu
cambeiu
9 months ago
Reply to  Dave Smith

Air superiority – One’s ability to conduct air operations over enemy air space without facing high levels of opposition. “We” have achieved that.

For all other questions – Yes.

Sentient
Sentient
9 months ago
Reply to  cambeiu

If Israel has complete control of the air, what do they need us for?

threeblindmice
threeblindmice
9 months ago
Reply to  Sentient

Because we supply the weapons and maintenance parts for everything the Israeli military does… its wars of aggressions, its genocides, its ethnic cleansing, its taking of neighbors land, its occupations. The IDF couldn’t function for two weeks without US support. In relative peacetime, we give them 3.8bn/year. During the current times we’re funding some 50%+ of their military. They are a vassal state, yet control our actions, drag us into wars. We are truly dumb.

dtj
dtj
9 months ago
Reply to  Dave Smith

The MSM has to officially acknowledge that the U.S. is involved, before it’s “actually involved” in the eyes of the public even though common sense should tell anyone the U.S. has been involved even before the war began.

Trump made a Freudian slip, but it will go unnoticed by most. Nobody knows what’s going on until the MSM tells them what’s going on.

techolver14159
techolver14159
9 months ago
Reply to  Dave Smith

By any definition of war, US is absolutely a belligerent in this war. Iran knows that if it attacks any US interests directly, it will escalate. This is the reason Iran is holding off on attacking US interests directly. Not because it believes that US is not a belligerent in this war. Absolutely no sane person believes that US is not a belligerent.

realityczech
realityczech
9 months ago
Reply to  techolver14159

Indeed. The mullahs are peace loving people who are just misunderstood. They were just torturing/kidnapping/murdering those women, political dissidents and anyone else questioning anything because they were scared.

What other tall tales will you regale us with?

Pokercat
Pokercat
9 months ago
Reply to  realityczech

Where was your mom, didn’t she tell you “two wrongs don’t make a right”.

Sentient
Sentient
9 months ago
Reply to  realityczech

Every piece of news you get is curated by Israeli interests and you believe it all. These are the same people who run Hollywood. Fantasy and propaganda is what they deal in. Every IDF soldier shown is out of central casting and if they need a burned out bus – ostensibly destroyed by Iran – they just burn a bus. Images from Israel are strongly censored. They say it’s to not help their enemy in targeting. It’s really about maintaining the fiction that they are invulnerable.

threeblindmice
threeblindmice
9 months ago
Reply to  realityczech

The mullahs did not launch an air assault to effect regime change in Israel under false pretenses of negotiation. Or take neighbor states lands (like Israel/Syria, Israel/Palestine. What the mullahs don’t want is foreign domination of their country by the US/UK/Israel or anyone else. They resent the US installation of the shah. That’s fair enough isn’t it?

threeblindmice
threeblindmice
9 months ago
Reply to  techolver14159

I fear an Israeli attack on US forces in order to give the US a further push to enter the war. Remember how Zelensky liked about a “Russian missile fired at Poland, a NATO country”? It could happen. And the Israelis have no morals about war.

realityczech
realityczech
9 months ago
Reply to  threeblindmice

Remember, the cracker jacks are edible, but stop eating the silicon packets. Or the prize in the box. that’s just a toy.

Sentient
Sentient
9 months ago
Reply to  realityczech

Israel has never done a false flag. /s

Avery2
Avery2
9 months ago

Would Massie and MTG start proceedings to impeach this clown over the “proxy” wars? If so, would any Ds in defense contractor heavy congressional districts vote NOT to impeach him?

Full disclosure: I don’t have a son-in-law with a particular affinity for any of the belligerents.

Cobwebsoup
Cobwebsoup
9 months ago

FINALLY, a BIG Beautiful War.

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
9 months ago

Here’s a solution. Open source nuclear weapons to level the playing field.

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
9 months ago

The new reality will be drones loaded with dangerous stuff: radiological, chemical, or biological payloads. What Ukraine did to blow up Russia’s bombers and navy is the future of warfare.

But I said this a while back, every nation that doesn’t want to be bullied or invaded needs to start building nukes. They’re not hard to build, it’s the nuclear fuel that’s hard to get.

Pokercat
Pokercat
9 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

And drones of all sizes but the millions.

bmcc
bmcc
9 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

honors question. which empire was the only one to drop nukes on civilian populations.

bill wilson
bill wilson
9 months ago
Reply to  bmcc

the very first one that was able. would you prefer the Mongolian approach of lighting human beings on fire and catapulting them on the roofs of the structures of the villages they were getting ready to invade so the fat would slowly burn and incinerate the structures?

Last edited 9 months ago by bill wilson
Pokercat
Pokercat
9 months ago
Reply to  bill wilson

I thought that was the IDF, guess somebody has got to be first.

J K
J K
9 months ago

No mention of Israel having 200 nuclear bombs!!! Wake up stupid Americans! Israel should not have any nuclear bombs. I believe they are behind JFK’s assassination as he was against this.

Maximus Minimus
Maximus Minimus
9 months ago

Don turns out to be the don Corleone of international politics.

Anthony
Anthony
9 months ago

no. Don Corleone was effective and good at what he did.

bmcc
bmcc
9 months ago
Reply to  Anthony

if being a scum bag is good and effective. then yes. on both dons.

Phil in CT
Phil in CT
9 months ago

It wouldn’t be a Republican admin without us getting entangled in some kind of new false Intel nightmare in the middle east.

techolver14159
techolver14159
9 months ago
Reply to  Phil in CT

I am surprised because Trump has a big ego. Still he is acting like Netanyahu’s dog. What do they have on Trump? How come Israel is able to totally and completely control Trump?

J K
J K
9 months ago
Reply to  Phil in CT

Don’t forget the Zionist control over America. Dual citizens in Congress should not be allowed!!! AIPAC is a mafia that controls our politics and just brings hate upon America.

realityczech
realityczech
9 months ago
Reply to  J K

There’s a zionist right there! Look out!!!!!!

dtj
dtj
9 months ago

“Trump also threatens to kill Ayatollah Khamenei”

Trump also ordered residents of Tehran, a city with 8 million people, to evacuate.

Trump has become unhinged.

Trump has something “much bigger” planned than a ceasefire. All out war against Iran.

He could have stopped it. He’s the commander in chief. He chose not to.

Kevin M
Kevin M
9 months ago
Reply to  dtj

Since the office was established in 1789, 45 men have served in 47 presidencies.

Irondoor
Irondoor
9 months ago

For almost 50 years, the Islamic Republic has run a campaign of murder and destruction against Israel through the use of their proxies Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the Houthis. Hundreds of Israelis have been killed and thousands injured. The Islamic terrorists have taken babies and very old people hostage and held them in underground tunnels.

Iran has been directly responsible for the killing and injuring hundreds of American servicemen and women at bases throughout the Middle East over that period of time. Reports are that they planned to assassinate President Trump.

All of it fueled by Oil revenue and radical (and death-cultish) Islamic fundamentalism. We have witnessed the constant chants of “Death To America” and “Death To Israel”. For the crime of existence.

Every country in the Middle East hates the Iranian Mullahs’, the IRGC and their brand of radical extremism and fears what would happen if they acquired a nuclear weapon and the means to deliver it. They all want to live in peace and harmony with Israel and their neighbors. But this is impossible as long as the Islamic Regime in Tehran exists. Everyone in the world knows and understands this. This scourge on the world has to go.

If not now, when?

Wild Midwest
Wild Midwest
9 months ago
Reply to  Irondoor

Everyone in the world knows and understands this.”

Such an impressive arguement for WW III.

Tenacious D
Tenacious D
9 months ago
Reply to  Irondoor

The CIA / British GCHQ / Israeli Mossad enters the chat. Welcome, boys!

Anthony
Anthony
9 months ago
Reply to  Irondoor

great. let Israel do it. we do not and should not be directly involved

techolver14159
techolver14159
9 months ago
Reply to  Anthony

In my view, the US should not be involved even indirectly. There is zero benefit and tons of potential harm (to the US) in our involvement in this conflict.

hmk
hmk
9 months ago
Reply to  Irondoor

If there ever was a good reason for regime change the evil Iranian radical Islamic leaders would be it. The world would be better off with a secular government. Doesn’t condone Isreali apartheid and genocide being done to the Palestinians. Or the fact that Pump is nutty yahoo puppet.

jhrodd
jhrodd
9 months ago
Reply to  Irondoor

Fuck Israel, free Palestine! Also, you are completely full of shit.

bmcc
bmcc
9 months ago
Reply to  Irondoor

persia was a world empire for thousands of years. arabia was a backwater camel fucking society. one has been a bitch to other empires forever. the other an empire in their own regard.

threeblindmice
threeblindmice
9 months ago
Reply to  Irondoor

Behold the fruits of Zionism, before which Jews, Muslims and Christians lived in peace across the Middle East. Now Israel claims for itself sole domination over the region, a domination it enforced with bombs and regime change wars (aided by its large, dumb bully, the US). That’s the source of the conflict. Iran, Hez, Hamas, PFLP, PLO are reactions.

If you really think the resentment to Israel has nothing to do with Palestinian displacement and stomping of their rights, false flag attacks, bombings and regime change wars… and only to do with Israel’s “existence”, you have a bigger deNile then Egypt.

Irondoor
Irondoor
9 months ago
Reply to  threeblindmice

What actually is a “Palestinian”? Whoever they are, no other country in the ME, their Arab Muslim “brothers”, wants anything to do with them. All the whining about a Palestinian State is nothing but a carrot on a stick.

Do you think there would be any murderous fighting over which radical faction would be in charge?

threeblindmice
threeblindmice
9 months ago
Reply to  Irondoor

Behold the justification of Israel’s right to stomp on human rights. Right there is the genesis of the middle east conflict. “They don’t exist”, “they are bad people”, “what displacement?”. No purer expression of the bigotry and denial that launched this conflict could be made. I congratulate you.

Pokercat
Pokercat
9 months ago
Reply to  Irondoor

Yeah we had no part in this.

“The US first significantly supported the Shah of Iran, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, after a 1953 coup orchestrated by the US and UK, which overthrew the democratically elected Prime Minister Mosaddegh. This coup reinstalled the Shah, who then received substantial US financial and military aid. The US also helped establish the Shah’s secret police, SAVAK, to maintain his rule. 

Following the coup, the US and the Shah’s regime shared a common goal of opposing Soviet influence in the region. The Shah’s government received significant military and economic assistance from the US. This support continued for several decades, with the US viewing the Shah as a key ally in the Middle East. 

However, the Shah’s authoritarian rule and human rights abuses eventually led to growing dissent within Iran, culminating in the 1979 Iranian Revolution. While the US initially tried to encourage some reforms, they ultimately lost influence as the revolution gained momentum. The Shah was eventually allowed into the US for medical treatment in 1979, a decision that further fueled anti-US sentiment and led to the Iran hostage crisis.”

Portlander
Portlander
9 months ago

Mr. TACO has said that Iran must unconditionally surrender. By issuing surrender terms Mr. TACO has shown that behind the curtain the U.S. has been a co-belligerent all along. Mr. TACO likely hasn’t factored in Russia’s and China’s response to any major U.S. escalations in their own back yards against Iran. Russia has a defense pact with Iran and Iran is a major energy producer for China. This will be Trump’s quagmire, with major unintended consequences for Israel and political consequences for Trump. This is hardly the way to MAGA, and his base will rightly feel betrayed.

Steve L
Steve L
9 months ago
Reply to  Portlander

So, where is Russia and China? If the US runs like a frightened kitten every time Russia or China threatens us – we will never have peace.

Pokercat
Pokercat
9 months ago
Reply to  Steve L

The US cannot win a ground war in Iran or China.

jhrodd
jhrodd
9 months ago
Reply to  Pokercat

Not in their wildest wet dream.

Irondoor
Irondoor
9 months ago
Reply to  Pokercat

Iran or China couldn’t win a ground war in the US.

Pokercat
Pokercat
9 months ago
Reply to  Irondoor

Has you been frightened by the Iranian and Chinese jets crisscrossing the US sky or their Navy shelling NYC? Only Americans could win a ground war in the US. No one knows which group of Americans would prevail.

Kevin M
Kevin M
9 months ago
Reply to  Pokercat

Iran and China are too very different arguments. The bigger question: Why would USA or Iran or China want a ground war in Iran or China? It sounds like a bad idea and I’m not sure what the goal would be.

Kevin M
Kevin M
9 months ago
Reply to  Portlander

DJT has been in office less than a year. What do you mean by “all along”?

Last edited 9 months ago by Kevin M
Anthony
Anthony
9 months ago
Reply to  Kevin M

presumably all along means this war against Iran which was launched last week.

Kevin M
Kevin M
9 months ago
Reply to  Anthony

How were Iran/Israel foreign relations looking the week before that?

bmcc
bmcc
9 months ago
Reply to  Portlander

the maga base are retards. why should TACO care about them?

threeblindmice
threeblindmice
9 months ago
Reply to  Portlander

China and Russia don’t need to do anything to benefit from our “own-goals”. They can just watch in befuddled amusement.

Augustine
Augustine
9 months ago

When the clown moves into a palace, he doesn’t become a king, but the palace becomes a circus.

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
9 months ago

So is Iran the new Afghanistan? How many US soldiers will die, how many decades and trillions of dollars will be spent there? And when will the US exit the same way it did all the other countries in the middle east?

As I recall from history, Japan attacked the US because the US cut off the flow of oil. I doubt China is going to sit around and wait to be depleted of oil.

Where’s MAGA telling us all the wars would end day 1? It’s dejavu all over again.

Is it starting to sink in yet? GOT EXIT STRATEGY?

Tenacious D
Tenacious D
9 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

My brother was injured in Iraq almost 20 years ago and is now a quadriplegic. He was injured fighting for land most Americans cannot find on a map and which changed hands numerous times over the last 22 years. His health was sacrificed for nothing, and the taxpayers have paid millions in healthcare and disability payments. For nothing.

For anyone who is for this, unless you are willing to go yourself or send your own kids, you aren’t really for our involvement.

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
9 months ago
Reply to  Tenacious D

Sorry you, your brother and family had to suffer such a tragedy. Sadly, the same mistake will be repeated all over again and I don’t want to have anything to do with it which is one of the many reasons I am moving on.

techolver14159
techolver14159
9 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

These are not “mistakes”. All of these are deliberate decisions made by people in power who have nothing to lose personally by making these decisions but they gain handsomely from the military & industrial complex.

The US public wanted an end to this. They explicitly voted to end this crap. Trump is slapping his voters (again). Hope they learn.

Pokercat
Pokercat
9 months ago
Reply to  techolver14159

His voters are cult members, they are way past learning anything. If MAGA doesn’t disappear after trump’s death they may have to be disappeared to save the US.

Tenacious D
Tenacious D
9 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

I’m right behind you

bmcc
bmcc
9 months ago
Reply to  Tenacious D

i have an idiot brother who joined and went to Nam. ruined his life, too. he was an idiot in 1967 and he is still an idiot today. some things are eternal. like idiots.

Tenacious D
Tenacious D
9 months ago
Reply to  bmcc

Some of these kids just don’t know any better. They have been propagandized. Their parents were propagandized. That doesn’t make them idiots. It makes them ignorant.

bill wilson
bill wilson
9 months ago
Reply to  bmcc

it’s funny how many idiots there are with brothers who are self-righteous miserable human beings.

Pokercat
Pokercat
9 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

China may have an exit strategy for us, completely block all trade with the US if we attack Iran.

Brutus Admirer
Brutus Admirer
9 months ago

The Deep State (esp. the Praetorian Guard) and their buddy Netanyahu are in charge. You can vote for the peace candidate all you want, but you always get John McCain.

America First was a damned lie.

Tenacious D
Tenacious D
9 months ago
Reply to  Brutus Admirer

Wish I could disagree with you.

Steve L
Steve L
9 months ago
Reply to  Brutus Admirer

Another hater of America who will never be satisfied until the USA surrenders to Iran, or China or Russia.

jhrodd
jhrodd
9 months ago
Reply to  Steve L

Another hater of America who will never be satisfied until the USA surrenders to Israel.

techolver14159
techolver14159
9 months ago
Reply to  jhrodd

Already happened. US just did an unconditional surrender to Israel’s interest.

dtj
dtj
9 months ago
Reply to  Brutus Admirer

Nobody becomes president without the OK from the military-industrial complex.

The MIC would have preferred Kamala because she is far more controllable.

Trump is a loose cannon and strays from the leash sometimes, but he’s doing a fine job of going along with the MIC right now.

bmcc
bmcc
9 months ago
Reply to  dtj

like Elon said, they have videos of Trump and little kids he diddled.

cambeiu
cambeiu
9 months ago
Reply to  Brutus Admirer

“America First was a damned lie.”

I could have told you that back in 2016, but you would not have listened.

bmcc
bmcc
9 months ago
Reply to  cambeiu

to have believed trump in 2015 was moronic. same in 2025.

Jojo
Jojo
9 months ago
Reply to  Brutus Admirer

As Trump stated, HE determines what “America First” means. Loser…

Anthony
Anthony
9 months ago
Reply to  Brutus Admirer

how is the “deep state: in charge when Trump himself is saying this? the POTUS is not the “deep state”

john
john
9 months ago

Remember a War that was to Eliminate Weapons of Mass Distruction. After that War they found none? Rinse and Repeat for another version in 2025.

Tenacious D
Tenacious D
9 months ago
Reply to  john

Remember how Iraqi soldiers were ripping babies in NICUs out of their incubators and throwing them on the floor?

Remember how North Vietnam attacked out ships in the Gulf of Tonkin?

Remember the Maine!?

Me neither.

bmcc
bmcc
9 months ago
Reply to  Tenacious D

remember FDR cut off oil to japanese. and acted surprised when hawaii was attacked?

Brutus Admirer
Brutus Admirer
9 months ago
Reply to  bmcc

We had broken the Japanese code and FDR knew they were coming, even clearing out commercial boats from the Japanese carriers’ path. False flags and manipulation are more the rule than the exception to US wars. All US wars from the War of 1812 to the Iraq War have been wars of choice in which the US was not threatened.

Steve L
Steve L
9 months ago
Reply to  john

Per NYTimes: The intelligence, gathered in the final months of the Biden administration, relayed to President Donald Trump’s national security team during the transition, warned that Iranian weapons engineers were seeking a shortcut that could allow them to turn their growing nuclear fuel stockpile into a workable bomb within months. . ..

Kevin M
Kevin M
9 months ago
Reply to  Steve L

1945

hmk
hmk
9 months ago
Reply to  Steve L

Another Isreali controlled media outlet

dtj
dtj
9 months ago
Reply to  john

5 days into the war, targeting “nuclear facilities” is actually way down on the list of things Israel is actually bombing, but the word “nuclear” is mentioned in every MSM story to provide cover for what they are actually doing. The actual goal is regime change, same as it was for Iraq.

Pokercat
Pokercat
9 months ago
Reply to  dtj

It will fail same as Iraq same as Afghanistan.

techolver14159
techolver14159
9 months ago
Reply to  Pokercat

It will not fail for Israel. It will be an epic disaster for the US as it will take over all the downside and none of the benefits. Only Israel will benefit with a weakened (or eliminated) Iran. We will be left with the chaos and mess and will pay a fortune in life and wealth for a long time.

RonJ
RonJ
9 months ago
Reply to  Pokercat

Saddam hasn’t been running Iraq since 2003.

bmcc
bmcc
9 months ago
Reply to  dtj

correct. a new Shah. maybe Don Jr. half of persia will be happy, too. saudi will be mad.

Jojo
Jojo
9 months ago
Reply to  john

Iran should have allowed the IAEC full access to everything then.

threeblindmice
threeblindmice
9 months ago
Reply to  Jojo

They did, until Netanyahu convinced Trump to “nuke” the JCPOA deal. This chaos, like so much else, has Israeli origins.

SavyinDallas
SavyinDallas
9 months ago

I am so sick of these despicable Israeli Firsters like Trump endangering and harming our Nation while committing endless atrocities against dozens of other countries.

Todd
Todd
9 months ago

This has been the end game all along. Just needed the ‘right’ guy in the WH to follow it through. Making Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld proud

Steve L
Steve L
9 months ago
Reply to  Todd

Yes, Iran, heretofore, one of the world’s biggest funders of terrorism, having nuclear weapons makes the US safer.

Daniel Holzer
Daniel Holzer
9 months ago
Reply to  Steve L

This game will be played over and over again. And what we have established is that having nuclear weapons (like North Korea) makes you safe from American aggresion, and not having nuclear weapons (like Iraq, Libya, Iran, etc.) makes you a target. This lesson of the “war on terror” is not making the US any safer in the long run.

Jojo
Jojo
9 months ago
Reply to  Daniel Holzer

NK is only tolerated because it is sponsored by China and is on the borders of China and SK.

I don’t know why people think having a nuke bomb is some sort of protection.

If any 2-bit, third rate state, such as Iran or NK tried to use one or even a few, their whole country would be hit with enough nukes to make it radioactive for a long time.

And what would the leaders of that country do? Hang out in their fallout shelters until they died?

Sheese.

bmcc
bmcc
9 months ago
Reply to  Jojo

and the NUKE fallout down wind would ruin continent. the kooks would go in. nuking the country you hate, is suicide for everyone. just the down wind cancer.

Jojo
Jojo
9 months ago
Reply to  bmcc

There are times when you have to do what you have to do.

Jojo
Jojo
9 months ago
Reply to  bmcc

Fallout will depend on where the wind takes it. Most of it will be gone in a couple of weeks.

World wind blows from west to east. So, if Iran were to nuke Israel, then the fallout would come back over Iran and then onward to China, which I don’t think would appreciate the gift.

techolver14159
techolver14159
9 months ago
Reply to  Jojo

You just proved the point. This is why things will not escalate to the point where that country will be pushed into a corner or forced to unconditionally surrender. This is exactly the security that most nations want for themselves.

Jojo
Jojo
9 months ago
Reply to  techolver14159

HOW did I prove the point?

threeblindmice
threeblindmice
9 months ago
Reply to  Jojo

Please, then, persuade your country, Israel, to give up its useless nukes.

Jojo
Jojo
9 months ago
Reply to  threeblindmice

Nukes haven’t protected Israel from anything. They have been attacked by a wide variety of Arab countries and terrorist groups over the decades and have never threatened to use a nuke, let alone used one.

threeblindmice
threeblindmice
9 months ago
Reply to  Jojo

Then you agree they are useless for Israel to have? As for the attacks, yes sometimes arabs fight back. I know you hate that.

Jojo
Jojo
9 months ago
Reply to  threeblindmice

EVERY time the Arabs have attacked Israel, they have lost the battle, war, leaders and land. So I look forward for them continuing to fight back. [lol]

Pokercat
Pokercat
9 months ago
Reply to  Daniel Holzer

You can’t call it a “war on terror”, wars end.

bmcc
bmcc
9 months ago
Reply to  Pokercat

global war on being scary

Steve L
Steve L
9 months ago

Am Yisrael Chai, and thank you for demonstrating what military strength looks like.

threeblindmice
threeblindmice
9 months ago
Reply to  Steve L

If “free palestine” means “kill jews”, “Am Israel Chai” definitely means ” I love seeing Israel kill Palestinian children”

Ginko Biloba
Ginko Biloba
9 months ago

This is fantastic. If ever the non-nuclear countries needed to be convinced of the need for nuclear weapons to level the playing field with the nuclear armed countries, Russia’s invasion of Ukraine followed by Ukraine’s abandonment by the West and Israel and the United States’ attack on Iran should will have silenced any doubts.

Last edited 9 months ago by Ginko Biloba
EADOman
EADOman
9 months ago

I’m embarrassed that I voted for this nut job.

MisFit Kid
MisFit Kid
9 months ago
Reply to  EADOman

The choices were Kamala (Biden) or Trump
Hobson’s Choice

Augustine
Augustine
9 months ago
Reply to  MisFit Kid

There are more than two parties and candidates.

Jojo
Jojo
9 months ago
Reply to  Augustine

But only one winner, which will come form one of the two major parties. You waste your time and hope by voting for 3rd party candidates.

Augustine
Augustine
9 months ago
Reply to  Jojo

Democracy is not.

jhrodd
jhrodd
9 months ago
Reply to  Jojo

No. You waste your vote by voting for one of the two major (corrupted) parties.

Wild Midwest
Wild Midwest
9 months ago
Reply to  jhrodd

Don’t forget any party will become corrupted as it starts attracting more votes. The real problem is foreign PACs operating inside the US. Those should never be tolerated under any circumstance.

Jojo
Jojo
9 months ago
Reply to  jhrodd

To quote Robin Williams, “Reality, what a concept!”

MisFit Kid
MisFit Kid
9 months ago
Reply to  Augustine

Correct.
(but not really given the $$$ and the power of the 2 political parties)

bmcc
bmcc
9 months ago
Reply to  Augustine

i always vote libertarian or green at national offices. idiots think it’s a waste. when voting D or R is the real waste. of your life.

bill wilson
bill wilson
9 months ago
Reply to  bmcc

with poster children such as yourself, it’s a wonder why the libertarian party struggles to attract members.

Daniel Holzer
Daniel Holzer
9 months ago
Reply to  MisFit Kid

Not sure how there was no choice but to vote for Trump in your estimation, as how could either Kamala, Biden (or for that matter, a “fourth Obama term”) possibly be worse than what we’ve seen from Trump thus far.

Pokercat
Pokercat
9 months ago
Reply to  Daniel Holzer

It would be impossible for ANY other candidate to be a worse POTUS than mentally ill Trump. Any manager of any fast food restaurant in the US would make a better POTUS than trump.

jhrodd
jhrodd
9 months ago
Reply to  Pokercat

Any assistant manager of any fast food restaurant. In any system the scum always rises to the top.

bmcc
bmcc
9 months ago
Reply to  Pokercat

manager? those dudes need brains. the local heroin dealers here in my hood in brooklyn would make better choices in life than TACO

Jojo
Jojo
9 months ago
Reply to  Daniel Holzer

Many people on the Dem side refused to vote, rather than submit to Harris being forced down their throat by the Dem PTB.

THIS is the primary reason why Trump won. Blame the Dem powers for facilitating the election of Trump.

Tenacious D
Tenacious D
9 months ago
Reply to  EADOman

Ditto.

Pokercat
Pokercat
9 months ago
Reply to  EADOman

You should be and please don’t make the mistake of ever voting again.

techolver14159
techolver14159
9 months ago
Reply to  EADOman

The bigger embarrassment is that even if voters thought that both choices were bad, they could have easily split the vote to keep a balance but chose to give the trifecta to the Orange man and the MAGA cult. Midterms will hopefully give the House to the Dems. Senate will be R for the foreseeable future (decade plus).

To be clear, I am not personally attacking you. This was “accomplished” by the full American electorate as a whole.

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