Vance claims war is Trump’s call. Does that sound right to you?
Trump’s US policies on tariffs and deportation have both been repeated flip-flops of poorly thought out and implemented ideas.
Now, after bragging about keeping the US out of war, Trump is threatening to get involved in a war Israel started and Trump cheered.
And Vice president J.D. Vance is making the case that Trump is the one who should decide war.
No one can stop Trump from his Israel-First policy.
J.D. Vance
He [Trump] may decide he needs to take further action to end Iranian enrichment. That decision ultimately belongs to the president. And of course, people are right to be worried about foreign entanglement after the last 25 years of idiotic foreign policy.
Here’s a link to the complete post by Vance.
Excuse me for asking but did the Constitution grant Congress the power to declare or or was it the president?
Massie War Powers Act
Speaker Mike Johnson will not bring that to a vote.
Netanyahu has the presidential puppet he wants, the VP puppet he wants, and the House Speaker puppet he wants.
And the Wall Street Journal is cheering all the way. So is Senator Lindsey Graham who is always rooting for war.
Nuclear Timeline
Geneva Convention? Who Cares?
2018 Flashback
We would not be in this spot had Trump not pulled out of that Obama’s Iranian deal.
Iran Honoring Commitments?
June 14, 2017 PolitiFact asks Is Iran complying with the nuclear deal?
The prevailing view among foremost authorities is that Iran has complied with the deal.
The U.S. State Department, which is required to report to Congress every 90 days on Iran’s compliance, also certified in April that the Islamic Republic is living up to its end of the deal.
PolitFact noted minor violations.
The deal says Iran can keep 130 metric tons of “heavy water,” a modified liquid used in some nuclear reactors. However, Iran has twice crept over its limit, according to the IAEA, each time by a fraction of one ton.
Daryl Kimball, the executive director Arms Control Association, downplayed the heavy water issue as a “minor infraction,” and noted that Iran currently does not have a functioning heavy water reactor. In other words, from a practical standpoint, the issue is essentially moot because excessive heavy water wouldn’t move Iran closer to building a nuclear weapon.
David Albright, president of the Institute for Science and International Security, wrote in a June 5 analysis of the IAEA’s report said “Iran appears to be complying more strictly with JCPOA limitations over which it was facing controversy, such as the heavy water cap.”
September 26, 2017: Trump’s Top General Says Iran Honoring Nuke Deal
The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on Tuesday joined other members of President Donald Trump’s cabinet in confirming that Iran is complying with the 2015 nuclear deal that has put a temporary halt to its nuclear weapons program.
“The briefings I have received indicate that Iran is adhering to its JCPOA obligations,” Gen. Joseph Dunford wrote in answers to questions in advance of his hearing before the Senate Armed Services Committee, using an acronym for the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action.
April 19, 2019: IAEA Says Iran Abiding by Nuclear Deal
“Iran is implementing its nuclear commitments,” said Yukiya Amano, director-general of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). The agency has had access to “all the sites and locations in Iran which it needed to visit.”
Nuclear Deal Summation
- US State Department: Iran honoring the terms.
- Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff: Iran honoring the terms.
- International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA): Iran honoring the terms.
- Arms Control Association: Iran honoring the terms.
- Every other signee of the accord: Iran honoring the terms.
King Deal Charlatan
King Deal pulled out of Obama’s deal with Iran because he said he could negotiate a better one.
The scorecard shows Trump failed in his first term and failed again in the second.
Amusingly, Trump said a war with Israel would have never started if he was president and the War in Ukraine would be over before he took office.
But now King Deal is pondering entering a war Israel started and Putin is laughing behind Trump’s back.
King Deal said he would make a deal with democrats on dreamers, and that he has made 200 trade deals of which only one is in sight. Also 90 deals in 90 days has produced only one deal (the same one), and the deal period is extended.
Trump broke the USMCA deal that he negotiated, despite calling it the best trade deal in history.
Trump is not only a charlatan, he’s also Netanyahu’s puppet.
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I expected to get two posts out of this but I wasn’t fast enough.
This self-proclaimed deal maker does not even understand who our best trading partners are.
But hey, there’s nothing like a foreign war to take our minds off domestic stupidity.
Addendum Reader Q&A
“You have six year old and older quotes from the IAEA about Iran’s nuclear capabilities. Why not quote from the IAEA report of May 31, 2025 (i.e. 18 days ago)”
Q: Now – why is that?
A: Trump broke a deal that was being honored, so Iran did what it did
“You have six year old and older quotes from the IAEA about Iran’s nuclear capabilities. Why not quote from the IAEA report of May 31, 2025 (i.e. 18 days ago)”
Q: Now – why is that?
A: Trump broke a deal that was being honored, so Iran did what it did
Plus,the IAEA is now full of spies for Mossad and the CIA.
Apparently whoever asked this question of you did not bother to watch the “let’s put the Iran propaganda in chronological order” Tweet. Always amusing to see people starve themselves of intellect then bash someone else’s argument only to show their ignorance.
Elections have consequences…
This last one has been far worse than others!
For the illegals, Iranians, globalist, countries taking advantage of the US trade deficit, TDS suffering liberals, the Dems writ large, & all sorts of anti-Trump posters here, I would absolutely concur, Frosty.
Thanks for giving me the opportunity to 2nd your very important post.
Great job!
It’s easy to see now how democrats will win midterms, but there is still plenty of time for Trump to screw Americans more badly so there’s that….
Israel’s attack on Iran has nothing to do with an embryonic nuclear weapons program.
Evidence? 1. Bibi has openly wanted to attack Iran for 30 years. and 2. Israel has made clear the goal is regime change. (3. Israel has already bombed TV stations and threatened Tehran.)
Why regime change? Because Israel wants to keep the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza forever, and eliminate (death, expulsion, “encouragement of emigration” via bombs) Palestinians. Israel wants to co-opt with US money (Egypt, Jordan), destroy (Lebanon, Iraq, Libya, Iran?) or create chaos (Syria, Iran?) in any country that dares oppose this agenda.
All roads in this conflict run through (or over) the native Palestinian people.
Powerfully argued, Mish. Thank you for your sanity.
Seems to me that if the US strikes Iran, every terrorist cell in the US will be activated making US citizens much less safe. Preemptively striking Iran seems extremely premature.
Yes, we can return to the days of 9/11 when everyone thought there was a terrorist around every corner. Sheese.
Preemptively hitting Iran is what Trump should be doing.
This they avoid using the word “WMD”.
One has to wonder if Trump, through this sudden change of position on war, is compromised through his past association with Epstein and is acting accordingly.
Regardless, the yielding of war powers to the president by congress was an absolutely idiotic move on their part.
The hardcore MAGA types are going to blow a fuse!
As all those here who know Islam, know, Iran can never be allowed to have a nuclear bomb. And as all those who have common sense know, Iran has not put centrifuges 1/2 mile inside a mountain for civilian use.
Its an ugly subject, but their book does say:
“Kill them whenever you confront them and drive them out from where they drove you out. (For though killing is sinful) wrongful persecution is even worse than killing. Do not fight against them near the Holy Mosque unless they fight against you; but if they fight against you kill them, for that is the reward of such unbelievers.”
It is an instruction book for life that advises killing opponents. Other quotes can be found that support peaceful resolutions. The whole book did not seem to me “a good read”. Its proponents can fault me for not reading Arabic, where the original language may smooth rough edges. Please read the whole thing before clicking plus or minus.
Mike, you have courage, integrity, and the greatest economic mind I know. But do you really want to open up this Pandora’s box?
Without getting into the merits, or who started The Iranian/Israeli war; one plane, one bombing is not a “war,” if no one declares it.
Israel kills at least 70 Palestinians in Gaza’s deadliest day at aid sitesThe violence in Khan Younis adds to a wave of attacks that have since May 26 killed hundreds of desperate people seeking food. The chapter title in anthropology ethnographies and history books, “how the jews became Nazis in 2 generations”.
Why doesn’t the UN facilitate the removal of the civilian Palestinians from Gaza to some of the surrounding Arab states? This will stop them from being killed as Israel continues to hunt down Hamas fighters.
It doesn’t seem as if any Arab country has the compassion to offer shelter and aid to the Gazan Palestinians. Why is that?
Good point! No one is willing to take them because they will become targets.
Targets of who? Israel only chases after those who attack them. If the displaced Palestinians were prevented from conducting any such attacks, then no other country has anything to fear from Israel.
Take a few moments to think of all of the military resources that have been spent on conflict in the middle east. Think if the world economic system’s resources had been used to build alternative energy systems.
We would have no reason to meddle or be involved with the Middle East.
Think of all of the death, destruction and hatred that exists between the Neo-cons, Jews, Iraqis, Iranians, Syrians and the Europeans that have had their continent invaded by refugees and displaced middle easterners from our energy related proxy wars…
Trump wants to destroy alternative energy and take us back to dependence on the warring tribes of the Middle East for what?
To support the oil economy?
To support the War/Defense industry?
Trump seems stuck in some stunted fantasy that the 1950’s were great. They were not. We can do far better as a species at ensuring a safe and clean energy system to support a well educated and stable population.
Trump is an intellectual barbarian, he is a narcissist and a clear and present danger to humanity.
Welcome to the Dark Ages of Trump.
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in 1917 Israel was created by the British Government, (Balfour accord).
In 1953 our early Neo-cons deposed Irans democratically elected government and installed the Shah as their dictator. His mission and the wealth he enjoyed came from developing oil resources for exploitation by our oil companies ~ and fueling our new interstate transportation system.
Oil dependance by design…
One of the Shah’s additional mandates was to “Westernize” Iran. To convert it from Islam to a more western (Christian/Jewish) view of the world.
Using Irans resources and converting its people were the Shah’s handlers mandates.
Exploitation and religious intolerance in simple terms.
So how did that work out?
The Shah was deposed and there has been war to profit from ever since. Our defense industry has thrived and our soldiers have died or returned home as broken and often violent men with poor coping skills.
We are subject to unreliable oil prices and and uncertain energy future. Fear and war to market on the evening news as leverage to keep the Neo-Cons in power. A two party system with the same handlers behind both parties.
Surely this is not the path to a peaceful world and energy independence. This is a path to endless war and destruction for the profits of the defense industry.
Leveraging hatred, fear and intolerance for profit.
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No one ever said that most politicians were smart. If you listen to the day-to-day chatter, it is clear that majority ar eno better than average IQ.
Point is that politicians often make many mistakes. Hindsight is 20/20, they say.
EXCELLENT ANALYSIS OF REALITY
Reality is a tough taskmaster.
I do not want to admit that my country has been taken in by the Neo-Cons and that the defense and oil industries have controlled our politicians for decades.
Yet it is right there in black and white for anyone curious and diligent enough to do the research.
It is said “The winners get to write history” and keep the “Official” record of humanity. It is also said that “lies spoken often enough, become the truth”.
Belief is a funny thing. For some, it is inflexible and fixed. “Orthodox” and “unchanging” if you will. For others, whose curiosity has not been stifled or killed, it is flexible and open to continued learning.
Open and continually learning cultures have created most of mankinds greatest achievements and technological breakthroughs. Yet vast swaths of populations are indoctrinated to narrow belief systems that are intolerant and violent towards others.
Change is the only thing that is inevitable and we can work toward peaceful and prosperous lives or impoverished and violent lives.
Religions typically demand that children be indoctrinated into belief systems before they can think for themselves. Yet religions are simply belief systems, they are not knowledge systems. Their inherent weakness and violent tendencies are inbred from the insecurity of the indoctrinated. The cycle of violence and intolerance is perpetuated.
The issues surrounding the invasions of GAZA and Iran are centuries old. These tribes hate each other and the U.S. is willing to exploit their hatred and sell bombs and munitions for profit. We are also willing to take their oil in exchange for the circle of trade and profit.
I am simply unable to justify the truth as being a worthwhile endeavor for mankind.
We are better than this!
OOPS!
Second to last line should have read:
“I am simply unable to justify what our petroleum economy and its military enforcers does as a worthwhile endeavor for mankind.”
The U.S. has been aware of the capacity problems for months, the official said, and Washington has been augmenting Israel’s defenses with systems on the ground, at sea and in the air. Since the conflict escalated in June, the Pentagon has sent more missile defense assets into the region, and now there is concern about the U.S. burning through interceptors as well.
“Neither the U.S. nor the Israelis can continue to sit and intercept missiles all day,” said Tom Karako, director of the Missile Defense Project at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. “The Israelis and their friends need to move with all deliberate haste to do whatever needs to be done, because we cannot afford to sit and play catch.”
above is from today’s WSJ
The Chinese plan is to have us run through our stocks and leave less for a conflict in Asia. Ideally it would be best to invade Taiwan when our stocks were at the lowest. Since timing is of the essence we should expect something rapid happening in Asia. My bet is not on Taiwan but on Korea next. All is not happening randomly. Should be clear to everyone.
I would imagine that our missile manufacturing facilities are running 24 x 7.
“If you prick us, do we not bleed? if you tickle us, do we not laugh? if you poison us, do we not die? and if you say you will destroy us, shall we not bomb the shit of you?”
And the Iranian radical Islamists have been calling for our destruction for 46 years. I say let’s take care of business before they reach their 50th anniversary with wanting to destroy western civilization. It’s time to show them how the Great Satan can wage a massive bombing campaign if forced to do so.
Again, I would prefer Israel handle all of this, but if the Ayatollah steps over Trump’s red line, then pull the gloves off & let’s roll.
We’re going to have $1T this next fiscal year to replenish.
Why don’t we just chant “death to Iran” and call it even?
If the Ayatollahs get nukes, since they already have missiles which can strike Israel, what do you think the Israelis will do with at least a good handful of some 200 warheads? If you have the fissile material and a workable warhead, simply insert and launch. If the IDF nukes Iran, that problem is solved in the most horrific of ways. But do you think it ends there? Hiroshima and Nagasaki did because it was near the end globally. This would be very, very bad. Personally, would prefer that the Fordow mountain complex is collapsed.
My concern has always been what happens down the road when oil isn’t as nearly as important as it is today? Granted, that may be 20-30 years down the road, but that will be extremely destabilizing for Iran.
What does the new Ayatollah do, when his existence is thrown into jeopardy, because the country is forced to rise up & overthrow him?
And between now & then, you’re right, there are global consequences.
Israel has done the hard work, so it’s time to ensure the job is finished.
Delusional
Iran is a one trick pony, oil. When the day comes that the price has crashed so will their economy. At that point, the Ayatollah, if he’s still in power and has nukes, isn’t going to go down without the ultimate fight. To think otherwise would be such a massive miscalculation that it boggles the mind.
The good news is that Israel is going to wipe out Iran’s offensive military capabilities just like they did with Hamas & Hezbollah.
The only question is does the Ayatollah order an attempt to impede shipping through the SoH? But HE KNOWS BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT that this will be the end of his regime. Personally, I don’t expect him to relent. He’s very old, stuck in his ideologies, & is more likely to error on the side of not saving face.
However, Iran still has a powerful punch & he knows this. I wouldn’t want to be in his shoes right now.
Nukes don’t select people to kill based on any criteria, that’s for sure
Some argue that having the required enriched uranium/plutonium is different from militarizing it.
If Iran is invaded except the change to be welcomed in towns but have 8 millions mullah backing a Taliban style insurgency in rural area where peoples fails to understand how can have children without being married.
You’ll know if the second new flagpole is flying the Star of David. That should throw the thread into a tizzy.
i feel very bad for the jews. i really do. the roman empire adopted christian cult as their religion and spent centuries calling the jews, the killers of christ. the roman empire lives in every Roman Catholic church and her bastard offspring, the protestants and mormons………it’s sick how many people hate the jews or the jews that worship themselves.
Blame the Colonialists for setting up Israel in a bad location
Returning to your homeland, is not colonialism
And let’s remember May 1948:
After decades of confrontations between Arabs and Jews under the British mandate of Palestine, where both communities sought self-determination after the fall of the Ottoman Empire in 1922, the United Kingdom announced its intention in 1947 to withdraw its forces from Palestine and endorsed United Nations Resolution 181, which partitioned the British mandate into a Jewish state and an Arab state. The plan, although accepted by the international community, was rejected by the Arabs, and in May 1948, as British forces withdrew, Israel was born in a region with unresolved disputes over borders, security, land ownership, and other matters.
And that wasn’t the last time either. Then came several wars, all of which the Arabs started, got the butts kick, & lost territory.
Fortunately, Egypt & Jordan established peace treaties with Israel. Looking forward to normalized relations between SA & Israel.
How about stepping back to 1922? Here is the original map of the proposed partitioning of the area:
https://static.timesofisrael.com/blogs/uploads/2020/05/Map-of-the-partition-of-Trans-Jordan.jpg
As you can see, the Arabs were supposed to move to Trans-Jordan and Israel was to be free of them.
“Arabs were supposed to move”. Perfect.
Yes, let’s ignore that Muslim and Christian Palestinians were 97% of inhabitants before Zionism. Jewish desires to have a state in Palestine matter more than the desires of the folks living there for 8000 years. Some people are more equal than others, apparently.
Expelling others from their homelands when your ethnic group was born in Europe is, in fact, colonialism. The first Ashkenazi was born in Italy to a Roman mother around 200BC. The Palestinians can trace 80%+ of their DNA to Israelites and Canaanites.
The majority of Jewish Israelis are not Ashkenazi. Roman and Italian Jews were not, and are not, Ashkenazi.
the entire federal govt is nothing but a treasonous kakistocracy that needs broomed.
We’ll never learn. 3rd meddling in a middle eastern country in 20 years – this will not work out any better than Afghanistan or Iraq.
Speaking of, I wonder what’s going to happen to the Iran-backed government in Iraq now? More conflict and chaos in the region.
in 2025 if one believes the goal of the MIC is to actually “win” wars V the reality of non stop continual war profiteering, i have a bridge here in brooklyn for sale .
There was a setup for Iran containment. There was a plan for Pacific China containment. Trump (and his core) had to tear it all down to satisfy their self-involved, fantasist egos. Yes, there was supposedly a pivot to domestic nation-rebuilding. How’s that goin’?
Those plans were going swimmingly. A plan, lol.
Shit happens. For Biden it was Russia invading Ukraine. For Bush jr. it was 9/11. For FDR it was Hitler invading Poland. For Trump it is the Israel-Iran war. When it happens you hope they make the right decisions.
It is all nice and good to object the ending of a deal that was flawed from the beginning but was a very useful political fig leaf does not change the fact that since the 1979 revolution Iran’s theocratic leaders have consistently and relentlessly sought to make the bomb and use it to destroy Israel. I take them at their word and Iran has made it clear over decades that they will get nuclear weapons deal or no deal. For some people here, perhaps many, that is either fine, ok or not my business. Unfortunately we don’t have the luxury to ignore it.
The Obama deal made no difference then and is just water under the bridge now.
You’d think in 45 years if they really wanted the bomb they would have gotten it. This endless recitation of Israeli and American propaganda is tiring.
I think it’s more of a negotiation tactic for one country to acquire only 1 or 2 bombs. If you throw only 1 or 2 bombs, it’s a suicide mission, and North Korea knows that.
You have to convince the major powers that you have a few of them, and you can easily produce and deliver even more.
The “nuclear threat of Iran” feels like a smoke screen, like Sadam’s WMDs. Same story all over again? We’ll see.
most dopes and cult members of the zion and amerikan machines of propaganda for nonstop war profiteering are a lost cause. they will carry their brain washing to their dirt naps.
Antisemitism isn’t going to stop Iran from getting the bomb.
That’s what we elect presidents to do.
So they have been enriching uranium for … ?
NUKES!!! DUH!!!
These people are incredible in their blind hatred of Israel & Trump.
I can only imagine the Allah Akbars sounding off here if Iran actually got the bomb & nuked Tel Aviv.
Yes! WHY does Iran need to enrich uranium to 60+%? What purpose does enriched uranium have in a peaceful nuclear program?
Why doesn’t anyone in the media ever address this question?
To defend themselves from a hostile neighbor supported by a hostile superpower that it knew would attack it? Asking for a friend.
Iran has been swearing up, down and sideways that they had NO intent to build a nuke bomb? What does your “friend” know that Iranian leaders don’t? [rotflol]
It’s sad that I have to keep reminding you and other fools that even were Iran to get the nukes they want, they would be of little to no value.
First, they would have to successfully deliver the nuke missile. Given how poor their targeting has been with their ballistic missiles, it would be quite a faux pas to hit the wrong target with a nuke missile.
Second, IF they successfully got such a missile off AND detonated it in say, Israel, the country would almost surely be hit by multiple nukes from Israel and the US in return, leaving large parts of the country radioactive for centuries.
Third, with the world wind blowing west to east, any nuke detonated in Israel would blow fallout back to Iran.
Fourth, the Iranian leadership, that would be hiding in a deep bunker, would never be able to come out of that bunker. Most likely, remaining Iranian people would plug up the air holes and block/poison any water intake and watch them all suffocate down below.
Iran should make a deal with Trump. Forgo nuke weapons, give up funding terrorist proxies, concentrate on improving their economy and uplifting their people.
Unfortunately, I don’t believe that any of the above is possible while the fanatic Islamic Regime remains in power.
You are crazy to think that Iran doesn’t want nukes.
The IAEA has confirmed that Iran has enriched uranium to above 80% for which there’s only ONE purpose: NUKES!
If you can’t even admit that Iran wants nukes, then we’d best just ignore your comments.
Get a grip & join reality for goodness sakes.
Love those downvotes! Keep them coming. Shows I am on the right track.
I was wondering if regime change which looks like it’s going to happen would end up as disastrous as the Iraq war was or whether the Iranian people were different and at the end of this war they might align with the West, be able to keep their freedom and there would be a lasting peace in the region. I did some research tonight to learn more about the history of Iran and thought I’d post it if anyone was interested. It’s a long post but the topic has been here for several hours and at that point people generally stop writing new comments so I thought the length would be okay.
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Almost certainly a successful revolution in Iran would produce a much more secular government as the bulk of those who have taken to the streets are against the imposition of forced hair coverings and other restrictions. Doesn’t mean that the extremists won’t make the revolution bloody as they try to cling to power.
And a moderate Iranian government would benefit from the lifting of sanctions. They might not make peace with Israel and they might not end up in the Wests pocket (China will be their biggest trading partner and arms supplier).
If Iran did develop the bomb then nowhere would be safe (particularly Israel) as 2 enemies both with the bomb is a Mexican Standoff with the Sampson Option.
The irony is that no matter what the outcome, for the near future Iran will be in chaos with several competing factions supported by outside fighting for control. This it what Iran did or attempted to do to surrounding countries and is the source of their unpopularity in the region. Karma exists.
that region are assholes, from egypt to zion to saudi and our gulf bitches. and of course the USA is in that region. just look at a map of where the US GOVERNMENT has bases, which is amerika. yes. persia, a bunch of assholes, too, is despised by assholes.
I had Grok rewrite what I wrote using your style. It came out like this:
“Man, the irony’s a real kick in the nuts—Iran’s gonna be a total shitshow, factions clawing at each other like rabid dogs, all backed by meddling outsiders. And guess what? That’s the exact crap Iran pulled on its neighbors, stirring up trouble and making everyone hate their guts. Karma’s a bitch, ain’t it?”
Now you can understand what I was saying since Grok translated my language into yours.
If you wanted to say the UK and US replaced a democratically elected head of state with the Shah in 1953 and the Iranian people eventually tired of his authoritarian rule and depriving of their civil rights so they revolted, you are correct.
That what followed was just as bad is on them, but they should be left alone to solve their own problems.
If the USSR had lost to Germany in WW II then we would not have had to remove a left-leaning elected official because the USSR would not have existed. We might have had however to remove a Nazi-leaning elected official instead.
I am proud of myself. I used the Past Perfect Subjunctive once, the Conditional Perfect twice and the Conditional Present once all in two sentences.
I can assure you everyone is gawking at your grammar proficiency, see them standing and clapping? That’s for YOU!
Please explain why you think it was necessary to remove any heads of state in a sovereign country by the US. Guess even back then we FAFO, different time different people same result.
That’s a lame reply!
Now Israel is doing what it did, so we’re all good, yes?
I’m just here for the downvotes.
I know.
“Excuse me for asking but did the Constitution grant Congress the power to declare or or was it the president?”
Thank goodness for ‘police actions’ and other non-war activities! Current and past administrations wouldn’t want to bother asking Congress for declarations.
Undeclared wars are the norm ever since the beginning of the Republic. The first was the Barbary War in 1805. The Marines Corps got a good song from it.
on this i agree. amerika has been at war in the world since our founding. the constitution is a nonbinding resolution. start with your example and then the mexican war……..
Citing that war powers congress idea is as pedantic as the need to tell people the USA is a Constitutional Republic when we talk about democracy, do us all a favor and get bent about that stuff
Yes, long before Smedley Butler there were such actions. How kind of you to supply an example.
Danged Barbers and their striped poles 😉
learn how shipping in Hormuz can be effed up without a shot with GPS spoofing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4dWc9JD6Uo&t=19s
Just more reason for Saudi Arabia to get involved and open up a new front on Iran’s southern border.
Don Catheter has a tricky decision to make. Is he up to the challenge? “Depends” on who you ask.
So here on Mishtalk, including Shedlock, who wants to see Iran NOT get the bomb? My hand will go up first. I don’t.
Saudia Arabia, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, UAE, Kuwait, Qatar all do not want Iran to get the bomb. The EU doesn’t want it to come to fruition. Japan, SK. Australia, et al including the US, of course, do not want Iran to get the bomb. I’m not sure about China, NK or Russia, but let’s assume their interests don’t align with ours.
So Isreal, based on the latest intelligence they had available and after obliterating Hamas & Hezbollah, found itself in a very strong position to wipe out Iran’s ballistic missile launchers, tons of missiles, & scores of Iranian leadership. In addition, with about another week of bombing, Israel will obliterate Iran’s nuclear program with the exception of Fordow.
Now, I would imagine Israel can throw 50 or so 2,000 lb bombs at Fordow and eventually penetrate through enough of the 300 feet of earth, rock & concrete to do a lot of damage. They could probably even send in ground forces to help ensure the job gets done.
Or Trump could order 6 B-2 bombers to drop a total of 12 of the 30 GBU-57’s (aka MOP) we’ve got, and I would surmise that two each hitting the same point of impact about a minute apart covering six impact zones would probably do the job. Total time on target 10 minutes.
I don’t know, but unless you really are okay with Iran getting nukes which is your prerogative, I think Trump greenlighting a MOP run would give us the insurance policy we need.
In a matter of days, the world is at the doorstep of stopping the Ayatollah, the largest sponsor of global terrorism, from getting nukes.
I’m MAGA, and I could care less what Tucker Carlson thinks. This is not going to start a war that entangles the US. It’s going to finish something that’s been batted about for at least 10 years.
That’s my $0.02.
And, I will say this in terms of all the varying reports of who’s intelligence is better, Israel’s or our CIA?
With the way Isreal has demolished Hamas & Hezbollah along with demonstrating the IDF air force & its layered missile defense systems are way better than anyone thought, who in their right mind would think that Iran hasn’t accelerated their nuke program since 10/7? That would be extraordinarily naive.
For at least 6-9 months, Iran has seen the writing on the wall. Get the nuke ASAP or else. It just doesn’t make sense that they wouldn’t go all Manhattan Project after what Israel has been doing over the last 18 months.
Or Iran could purchase a nuke from Pakistan or N Korea, float it on a container ship and launch it from near the Suez Canal. Time of flight would be under 12 minutes. Time it with a usual night missile barrage. There are easier and more assured delivery scenarios, too.
B-52 raid of MOPs makes sense.
Look up passive and active detection of fissionable material.
It’s my understanding that each country’s enrichment process / bomb manufacturing creates a somewhat unique signature.
Now, I do believe NK has helped Iran with designed & so forth.
But it would be hard to imagine that any country is going to sell another country nukes, at least for now.
Spoken like the ignorant, immoral, foolish Neocon that you obviously are. You believe the obvious lies of the collapsing and desperate Empire. The people of the USA will suffer greatly from what is to come. You can’t even recognize the long time, hardly subtle war that the globalists in the West have been carrying out against their own people and Western Culture. The MAGA Movement will collapse. They put their faith in a false leader. It was so obvious. I hope you are at the top of the list of people who suffer.
Spoken like a true communist
I agree. Definitely sounds like someone who really hates America.
Nope. Just stating in detail what most Americans would want, if they knew the who truth about what Iran is trying to do & would do with nukes to remain in power.
MAGA is just getting started. Nice try!
I love seeing the MAGA crowd doing gold medal Olympics level mental gymnastics to justify the actions of their “America First”, “no new wars” messiah.
I am having a blast seeing the mental turns and twists.
Ending Iran’s nuclear weapons program is good for the entire world and most importantly the middle east. This is a once in a lifetime chance.
Again, Trump dropping MOPs on Fordow is not likely to entangle the US in a 20-year war. The Iranian people want the Ayatollah gone, and Israel will take him out if he does something stupid.
My hope is that Israel is able to take down Fordow. That’s the best option but not the quickest & easiest.
The Massive Ordinance Penetrator was designed by Boeing to take out Fordow. That’s what the DoD spent $500M for it to do.
*** FORDOW -> BOOM ***
It is an ugly question….but,
Who needs the bomb?
And Why?
A very ugly question……..
Is that a rhetorical question?
There are nine countries that are understood to have nukes and none of them are going to willingly give them up.
You summarized the problem very well. Iran’s regime is hated throughout the region and for cause. If the regime falls then great. If it doesn’t at least their nuclear program will be set back years if not decades. It is not without risk but it never is.
Some argue that having the required enriched uranium/plutonium is different from militarizing it.
If Iran is invaded, except the change to be welcomed in towns but have 8 millions mullah backing a Taliban style insurgency in rural area where peoples fails to understand how can have children without being married.
So the best way is to negotiate like it was done before (or maybe you’re Ok with spending a military career there fighting counterterrorism)
Our involvement is ALL ABOUT the MOPs. It’s all that Israel doesn’t possess to get the job done solo
From the literal sense, as Trump is his superior, his allegiance should be to Trump. From a legal perspective, not so sure.
Trump’s US policies on tariffs and deportation have not yet been realized. The rules have not even been finalized, and may not be, as things do change. The goal is obviously for that to occur, and that will take much more time perhaps, to do so. Again however, nobody knows much of anything concrete, as it can only be conjecture and suspicion, but nothing factual that I am aware of, has been cemented as firm, committed and DONE on a large scale, yet…
Trump is backing and supporting Israel, as a friend and Country with common interest for Peace, and will not allow or tolerate a Country Screaming for their Demise, the ability to have Nuclear Weapons. Can you blame them? I certainly don’t. He’s putting America and American Interest first!
Speaker Mike Johnson will not bring this to a vote, which I find odd, because MJ is Not a big Trump Fan by any stretch. Do the RINO”s want this?
Are we seeing some sinister plot unfolding from some higher ups with Power and Control still? Maybe…
Who are the WSJ and Graham supporting then? The WSJ is not a Conservative Outlet, and Graham is most Certainly Not. Trump Fan, so what gives here?
Now you see why pros like Putin and Xi (even Erdogan) outclass ‘learn on the job’ amateurs–like every president since Bush 1. Netanyahu started a war he knew Israel could not win (do the math: Iran is 4x as big as California with 90 million people) and now presents Trump with the options of looking like a betraying coward or alienating his anti-war MAGA base. Nice one Bibi!
This has absolutely nothing to do with Winning. It has everything to do with Not Losing. IRAN cannot get Nuclear Weapons Ability, no matter How Small, Ever! If they do, Everyone Loses…
Best bet is to hope for an overthrow of the Leadership calling for War and Annihilation to other Countries around the Globe, and stop this before it gets out of hand and out of control.
Can you picture “Dirty Bombs” in suitcases, and showing up all over the place around the World?
Out of curiosity did you believe the lie that Saddam Hussain had weapons of mass destruction? I would guess you absolutely did.
Nope, and didn’t care to be honest. I was in a much different place in my life.
Where is Putin the pro? Putin has spent the past 3 1/2 years trying to get air superiority over Ukraine. Iran is about 2.7 times larger, yet Israel has achieved complete air superiority in just 4 days.
In case you haven’t noticed (and it’s clear that you haven’t) Putin is not fighting a war against Ukraine, but a much wider war against the Globalist International banksters and their surrogates-the USA and the occupied Western Europe. He has been patient and methodical. Whether he eventually prevails is still an open question. Allowing Iran to fall will be a major setback to Putin and the anti-globalists.
Off topic – where do you get those tin hats? Could come in handy for when the electromagnetic storm hits.
Those hats are homemade, amigo!
So you’re blaming globalist for Russia’s inability to establish the type of air dominance over Ukraine like Israel has over Iran.
ROTFLMAO!!!
Are you capable of making a logical, coherent, reasonable, truthful statement?
Israel has complete air supremacy over Washington DC.
What first Iranian nuclear deal? The past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.
Its a win for trump. Got to keep the chaos moving forward. So we will forget about his failed tik tok sale that he just extended 90 more days. Oh and dont forget the tariffs. Not to mention the bbb the selling of blm land and the weakening of the judicial system.
Plus he can use it as a way to run for a third term.
May be a win for Trump and his “owners” but a loss for the American people–although the majority dumb sheeple have no idea at this point. They may or may not eventually figure this out, but whether they remain blissfully ignorant or eventually come to understand the truth-they will pay the price.
Mish: You have six year old and older quotes from the IAEA about Iran’s nuclear capabilities. Why not quote from the IAEA report of May 31, 2025 (i.e. 18 days ago):
The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) released a comprehensive report on Iran’s non-compliance with its Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) safeguards obligations in May 2025. The report accuses Tehran of continued obstruction, undeclared nuclear work, and a dangerously expanding stockpile of enriched uranium that now brings the country within reach of nuclear weapons capability.
Because the older quotes are from when the Iran Nuclear deal were place and Iran was complying. If the stable genius hadn’t pulled the US out of the deal there’s every reason to think they’d still be complying. Quotes from 2025 show how Trump’s new deal with Iran (i.e., no deal at all) have worked out, putting us on the verge of a nuclear Iran.
Correct – Thank You
Nah. Iran probably would have been cheating all along.
We pussyfooted around and believed Hitler in WWII and wound up with 66 million people dead.
Iran cannot be trusted.
America cannot be trusted we’ve been proving it for 250 years.
If you bothered looking, you would see the inspectors and all authorities signed off on Iran honoring the JCPOA. But maybe Infowars calls that fake news?
That sixty six million dead figure was floating around years before WWII even started.
Because that report is now suspect in light of the glaringly obvious desire to regime change Iran.
Mish: You have six year old and older quotes from the IAEA about Iran’s nuclear capabilities. Why not quote from the IAEA report of May 31, 2025 (i.e. 18 days ago):
Q: Now – why is that?
A: Trump broke a deal that was honored so Iran did what it did
“Iran did what it did” is an odd hand wave away of the last 2 years. I get the resistance for the US to enter this war as our track record sucks. I don’t get the complaining of what Israel is doing.
The JCPOA was an agreement that gave Iran a LEGAL PATHWAY to nukes while showering it with BILLIONS of dollars in sanctions relief. The agreement provided for no inspections of the facilities at Natanz or Fordow (the facility that is 1/2 mile underground). These are the very facilities where the race to a nuclear bomb was continuing apace, notwithstanding the agreement. Besides the fatal flaws in the agreement, Iran was required to disclose the locations of all other nuclear research and development sites and failed to do so. Those sites are being bombed now, finally.
Steve clearly has better intel than FBI CIA and any other lettered US intel agency
“brings the country within reach of nuclear weapons capability”
Same claim has been made going back to 2006. Always “this close”.
The public deserves verifiable proof before it’s asked to commit to war.
This statement is nothing more than Powell holding up an “exquisite” vial of white powder back in 2003.
You getting this from Tucker?
Tucker sucks.
The public deserves bupkis. We elect and live under a REPRESENTATIVE form of government. The elected politicians make the decisions. The people get to vote every 2, 4 or 6 years. That is all.
It’s funny how the advent of the internet has given large swarths’ of the population the belief that their opinions and voices somehow matter. They don’t.
Now go kick your dog.
The first verifiable proof of Iran getting the bomb might be mushroom shaped. And if that happens the Iranians will have made multiple bombs and gamed out how to avoid retaliation (set the first off in the middle of nowhere and warn that retaliation would mean the 2nd and third would be Israel and an unspecified US city).
What would you then do now that is verified?
The IAEA is hardly a credible source. They function more as an intelligence gathering organization for the Globalists.
TACO BELL
TACO King!
Look, as long as they were only minor violations for nuclear weapons production, I’m sure it’ll be fine. We can trust the Mullahs.
Is this really your best argument, Mike? don’t let your anger/distaste for Trump cloud judgement of other issues.
The israelis are so powerful, they got the only land in the ME with no oil. They control the media which is why it’s a congo line of headlines calling them warmongers. They’re so powerful, missiles are getting through defenses. but they control it all at the same time.
You guys gotta get your story straight.
Till then, it’s entertaining to read all this fiction. Maybe in addition to Trump selling a cell phone, he should get into the TDS gummie business. Business is a booming on those things.
I’m sure he won’t use war as a pretext for more emergency powers.
Your headline boils it down perfectly.
there are still idiots out there that have not connected the dots from the project for the new amerikan century, penned by bush crime family in 90s to the morning of 9.11.01. and the subsequent attack on iraq for their oil. same goes here with amerikans in ukraine in 2014 and of course leading the war effort against Persia for our bitch pawn, Zion. idiots think israel runs amerika. it’s the other way you nit wits.
mish. you really believe that the articles published provided one sufficient insight as the real situation? your insight is negligent and opinions on politics (domestic and international)
are very weak. i had asked you last week what are your sources and did you include in your sources any of a short list I provided?
you missed how Trump and Bibi duped the Iranians as Swartzkoff duped the media etc on when US would invade Kuwait and Irac. Making opinions on media reports is foolhardy. real moves are not shared with media
100percent agree with that. but i think Mish is very intelligent but not too worldly. he’s like most amerikans who have never travelled much. and for sure most amerikans don’t realize we are the worst empire in past 100 years. and we are democrtatic republic. so the assholes in our country keep voting for all these endless wars for shelf space. since 1898. hat tip Teddy
“we are the worst empire in past 100 years.” Which one was better? I could see someone making the argument that the Brits were a better empire. Would you prefer Chinese or Russian empires to rule the roost? Because in 2025, that would be the choice, and it probably wouldn’t be Russia.
Brushing up on your Mandarin?
we have been waging wars of aggression for my entire 65 years on planet. name another. and you idiots vote for it. the russians have czars and chinese have mandarin totalitarian government. you idiots vote for nonstop warfare. killing rice farmers in indochina to iran. morons.
Sounds like you live in the land of utopia where you can compare all of our flawed, broken, screwed up, mistake prone choices to the land of milk and honey. That’s great! If only us mere mortals were as fortunate as you to have such insights on perfection. Oh to sit on high looking down at everyone else, sitting in judgement.
Must be nice. Well done, governor.
but you don’t understand. he’s looking at a full 65 years. I mean, when discussing the history of empires, who can possibly go back farther than 65 years?
name one empire that had a republic or democracy at war for over a century. there is none.
nope. you are just too ignorant or scared to face reality. pax dumbfuckistan has voted since 1898 for non stop world wide warfare. quite exceptional. never in history of mankind has a republic been as warlike for shelf space. the rest is eyewash.
you just based an assessment on the history of empires on a 65-year Time span. who’s the idiot? where did you get your history degree?
name another empire where the downtrodden spent their free time bitching about things to other people and pretending to be victims with self-righteous commentary to boot. oh wait, you cannot.
sorry sweetie. we all in the rich world have loads of time. you just are too stupid to face reality. or more likely too frightened. or both.
<<we are the worst empire in past 100 years>>
To my knowledge the US has not appropriated German or Japanese ground to make it its own, which is what prior empires were doing. The French still maintain colonies in Africa and were extracting colonial fees until quite recently.
you just can’t understand. he’s had to witness all of the oppression of American mercantilism and imperialism for a full 65 years.
You appear to be overlooking military bases.
the germans and japanese didn’t vote on the wars……….
The Germans made the same mistake we are making, they took no action against an insane leader.
“Trump and Bibi duped the Iranians.” . .. so what? that doesn’t actually engage with the point of this article which is that getting involved in a war against Iran isn’t putting America first. I also think the Israelis duped Trump and he’s acting like they didn’t to save face.
“real moves are not shared with media”. you’re right. they’re shared with reporters from the Atlantic and also the wife of the secretary of defense and his lawyer.
Look – the entire US state Dept and sec of Defense said the deal was being honored.
Trump is the only person who said he could get a better deal.
Well what happened?
Indeed, and when have they ever been wrong?
Touché
boo hoo Mike won’t use your sources, what a crime!
At this point it is clear. Trump is nothing more than a bought and paid for puppet of the Zionists. Pathetic.
wrong. other way. around. zion is our bitch. without us they are gone. we use and abuse them. the world hates jews. since the romans nailed jesus to the cross for the jews. such a tiny little cult of a religion. a few million in sea of 3 billion christians, muslims and non believers. it is very sad really. i love all. hate no one.
it’s crazy how you’re an expert on all of these things. it must be so difficult today as it has been throughout your life to be the only one who knows things. that must be why you sound so miserable and angry.
aw sweetie, thanks for the concern. i’m good. very content. i LOL at morons like you for mental health and a hobby.
well with that said, sure sounds like you’re all good to me. a poster child for mental health and wellness. also, you never answered my question from another thread. where did you get your history degree? at what community college did you get an associates?
I’ve always recognized the superiority of arguments like “you are stupid” and “morons like you” can you teach us your wise ways?
MAGA – Miriam Adelson’s Goals Achieved!
And there is nothing at all that you can do about it except gather your friends who believe similar in a ‘whine’ cellar somewhere.
This may be more about squeezing China (reliant on Iran’s oil) than about Iran itself. If their oil supply is impaired, China might be more flexible about rare earths, not stealing intellectual property, and other finer points of international trade.
Re: “Speaker Mike Johnson will not bring that to a vote.” I believe War Powers resolutions get special treatment. (I read that’s true in the Senate, where Kaine has also put forward a motion. This needs a vote.). Absent a vote, it sounds like Trump can still order a fight against Iran for up to 60 days without a Congressional declaration of war.
As for claiming this is an act of aggression by Israel, I think there’s a case to be made that it’s long-overdue retaliation. How many decades of Iran-funded terrorist attacks have the Israelis, Saudis, Lebanese, Syrians and Iraqis put up with?
This century through 2023, Israel identified nigh 700 terrorist attacks with just shy of 1500 fatal victims. During the same period, Israel killed over 7000 Palestinians. It’s quite clear that Israel is a terrorist state.
Your logic is faulty. If 4 gang members end up dead in a gunfight with police after murdering 1 victim, there are 4 dead on one side and only 1 dead on the other, but that doesn’t mean the police were terrorists.
“No one can stop Trump from his Israel-First policy.”
Except Trump.
As I said before, if Israel is winning and has “complete control of the skies” why do they need our help?
I just saw a video posted in the last couple hours of several Iranian missiles making direct hits unimpeded one after the other, and they weren’t hypersonic missiles.
MSM is only reporting on a fraction of what’s getting through. The Iron Dome is clearly failing and looks like Trump has to bail them out of a war they started.
What else did CNN tell you?
Ah yes, another non-argument.
Statistics I have heard state that Iran is getting about a 10% hit rate in Israel. That isn’t very good considering the hundreds of missiles Iran has launched! The Iron Dome is doing very well.
And the missiles that have hit mostly did so to civilian structures because Iran doesn’t have precision GPS guidance. About 24 Israeli civilians have been killed, an exceeding low number, showing how unfocused Iran’s successful strikes have been, which have mostly hit empty buildings.
Supposedly, Iran is claiming less than 300 deaths, again an extremely low and hard to believe number.
Further, Iran has failed to remove any Israel military or politicians while Israel has decimated the top ranks of the military.
Israel has complete control of Iranian airspace and no Iranian planes are able to fly.
You would do well to do more reading and less commenting from the hip.
That no Iranian planes are able to fly is irrelevant as their planes are antiques from the 1970s. That the rest of their air defence system is not able to do squat against multiple sorties by Israel is much more important. Hopefully Israel will degrade the Iranian missile system to curtail the strikes in Israel.
My concern is that Iran might have large stocks of missiles and will use them once Israel runs low of anti missile missiles and then the strike rate on Israeli cities will rise.
“About 24 Israeli civilians have been killed, an exceeding low number,” I bet I could have found 24 disagreements with that statement. I’ll bet you wouldn’t want to be number 25. No you are safe here in the good old USA being a keyboard warrior.
Excellent time to have a mentally deranged POTUS. Will Trump and MAGA be the end of the USA?
Good move. Panic is usually the best option.
the folks on 9.11.01 in towers who panicked and ran first lived. the idiots that made calls to their wives etc……..or hesitated in panicking lost their lives.
Are you drunk? Or just imagining words and responding to what you think you read?
The USA is about to lose another war of choice.
Totally consistent impressive track record of failure – has not won a war since WWII, but has not learned anything from all the failures. All to save Israel, who are losing badly to Iran already.
correct. except israel is our bitch. an offshore pawn vassal state near all our oil.
This makes no sense at all. It is clear that Bibi started the war without an agreement or approval from the US. They did inform us though. Now Israel is in full control of the US war machine and will direct it to their benefit and our own detriment.
You don’t think Trump approved it? Or at least said he would look away?
Thank you for the reply. Trump was definitely informed. That much is clear. My belief is that Bibi went ahead over Trump’s objections. Trump was clearly unable to stop or delay Bibi.
Another possibility is that Trump allowed US to be used as a cover to allow Bibi to launch a surprise attack. There was a scheduled US meeting with Iran on Sunday and Israel attacked on Friday. The second option puts Trump in an even more subjugated position vs Bibi. If this is the case, US is even more of a belligerent than it currently appears.
None of this is good the US. I am not sure what Bibi has over Trump that he is so controlled. Trump has a big ego so I was expecting him to push back on the subjugation.
Thanks for sharing. News flash – Very few people give a crap what YOU think.
Do you think Netti and the IDF have enough respect for trump or the US to ask for approval?
Even if we “win” militarily, we will end up regretting it.