There’s a lot going on with this headline. Let’s discuss.
Trump says ‘I’m rejecting their deal’ as he vacillates between diplomatic, economic and military alternatives including a UN threat to annihilate them.
Trump Rejects Iran Ceasefire
The Wall Street Journal reports Trump Rejects Iran Ceasefire, Expects Renewed Bombing After Midterms
President Trump has rejected Iran’s proposal for a seven-day ceasefire and has told aides he expects to resume bombing Iran after the November midterms, U.S. officials said.
Tehran’s proposal would have reopened the Strait of Hormuz and resumed nuclear talks in return for the U.S. lifting its blockade of Iranian ports, which is causing deep damage to the country’s economy. Trump says openly that Tehran is begging for a deal after the midterms that dismantles its nuclear program.
But privately Trump was skeptical Iran would meet his demands and has told his staff that he sees a renewed bombing campaign as likely, the officials said.
After this article was published, a reporter asked Trump on Saturday about the offer. “I’m rejecting their deal,” he said
Trump told the United Nations this week politics don’t enter his mind when aiming to pry nuclear fuel from Iran.
“The Republican Party is running, and I’ll be helping them, but I am not running. I gave absolutely no credence and will not give credence through the election when it comes to Iran,” he told world leaders during the annual General Assembly in New York. “The only thing that does is that Iran will never have a nuclear weapon.”
Trump has also told Republicans to pretend he is on the ballot when they head to the polls.
Why the Iran Peace Offer?
- To make Trump look bad.
- Iran is economically hurting.
I suspect both, but definitely number one.
Iran’s terms were everyhing on the MOU and more. So Trump could never accept it.
But by offering to discuss, with Trump immediately rejecting, suggests to the American public who is sick of the war, where the problem is.
Why Bombing After Election?
- The US is running out of bombs
- Trump does not want to risk lives or equipment before the election
- Who knows to what extent this is just more Trump BS
More War After the Election, Hooray?!
The US is sick of the damn war. So what does Trump do but pledge more of it after the election.
That’s one hell of a poor election proposal.
Trump told Republicans to pretend he is on the ballot when they head to the polls.
Believe me, they will.
September 23, 2026: Hello MAGA, Let’s Discuss Trump Costing Republicans Six Senate Seats
Stop pretending. Abandon ship.
September 25, 2026: Consumer Sentiment Drops in September to Just Above Record Lows
Republican attitudes decline the most, but from higher levels.
September 25, 2026: Texas Cattle Assn. Complains of ICE, Iowa Farmers Union Endorses Democrats
“ICE operations are having a massive chilling effect.”
His favorite suffix after telling a lie used to be “in two weeks”, now it is “after the election”.
Just more hot air.
If the GOP were to retain control of the senate and the house my bet is that you would see boots on the ground in January. Thank God that is unlikely to happen.
I think Trump is relying on a democratic congress to get him out of this mess so that he can blame them for it and everything that happens afterwards.
Yes, he always needs someone else to clean up his messes, that is his legacy. He’s a total moron, but was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and a trust fund to cover up his ineptitude. He is a good bullshitter though, as evidenced be all the voters he’s duped and entertainment he’s provided for halfwits. Hopefully they’ll take some ownership for their misjudgments in the midterms
Some observations:
Conclusion: Iran and its proxies are gonna be toast given the fact that the digital communications available to them pinpoint their locations to the sq ft. This allows them to be targeted and eliminated with increasing efficiency. You will not see the carnage on TV.
PS. These are observations, not endorsements. Alternative viewpoints are appreciated.
– Trump Rejects Iran Ceasefire Proposal, Says More Bombing After Election. > Trump is finally getting smarter. Stop having them tell you what they will do, but never do, but I digress, and have them show you by doing so. I didn’t think he had it in him, but maybe his VP set him straight. It’s nice to see him stop being played. Trump has stated from the very beginning, that “Iran will not have a Nuclear Weapon” that’s all this is about. Stop the stonewalling, and follow through with what I Asked For, and not some other ideas on your own, or from the past.get this done, and be done with it. Work out other details later, and work together for solutions that will work for both sides, and maybe this can be over quickly.
– President Trump has told aides he expects to resume bombing Iran after the November midterms, U.S. officials said. > Definitely JD has his ear finally!! Simply setting the stage for a reaction to Iran’s inaction, if they do so again. This time Trump will actually follow through. I think the message is heard and will be heeded this time. The goals here is quickly, so let’s make it happen, or force it to happen, but Trumps Goal will be met, and this is the last chance for Iran to do so, or seal there own fate. There call!
– Why the Iran Peace Offer? > Buy themselves more time, for more weapons, and more possible pain to be inflicted on the US Presidency, in hopes that the Dems take over and give them everything they have been asking for. Easy to see.
Not saying I want war, and never have or do, but this is a way to avoid such, if they wish to. If there is nothing to see, then why not? This would / should provide closure on the topic.
If Baby Trump wants to gut fueld economy standards I have ZERO – ACTUALLY LESS THAN ZERO – sympathy for his whinning about gas and diesel prices. He’s f’g the future and challenging refining capacity sooner or later. Screwing us all sooner or later for this STUPID IGNORANCE.
“Trump Set to Roll Back Biden-Era Auto Fuel Economy Standards
President Donald Trump has long criticized the Biden-era rules, which were part of a set of policies to spur production and purchases of electric vehicles.”
In the midst of record prices he TOTALLY IGNORES the S&D balance. The ignorant fool.
If US wins, Iran
This is existential threat to Iran.
If Iran wins
So Iran has no choice but continue till the end.
This is full of nonsensical nonsequetars.
And this man and Bibi have their fingers on the nuclear button, not a comforting thought…
At least china has publicly stated that if a nuke falls on tehran, Isreal will cease to exist…
They have? Link?
Sorry, I’m wrong. This is not official message of china. I’m remembering a quote by Victor Gao who is not a representative China, and China has a difference stance then him, of neutrality.
“He(Victor Gao) said any Israeli nuclear strike on any country would make Israel humanity’s top enemy and would mean “the demise of Israel as a state, as a regime, as a country.” A former adviser to Greek PM Andreas Papandreou then wrote it up under a headline framing it as Beijing’s message to Tel Aviv and Washington, with “Israel will cease to exist” in the title. ”
Gao is not a government official.
China declared itself neutral, emphasized mediation, and committed no troops. Its nuclear doctrine also cuts against the claim: China pledges never to be the first to use nuclear weapons under any circumstances, a policy it says has held for over 60 years, and it frames its arsenal as a self-defense deterrent against nuclear use on China itself. Beijing has never offered Iran a nuclear guarantee, so a genuine threat to nuke Israel on Iran’s behalf would be a historic doctrinal break, the kind of thing that would come from Xi or the foreign ministry and dominate headlines worldwide.
I am sorry for spreading misinformation. Thank you for asking me for a source.
Much more so, than when the brain dead zombie held office. It’s gotten better at least. Not perfect, but not under a man who can’t walk, talk, or tie his own shoes, and his supporters yelling “He Is Fine” when he is basically a vegetable waiting to expire.
This would be a poorly written B film if it were a fiction, but for real life the obvious stupidity is just staggering. We’ve watched this bunch shoot themselves in the foot long after they’ve run out of bullets and then start pistol whipping themselves. Other commenters here have asked… “how could anyone be so comically stupid”
Indeed! How?! And even now they don’t seem too awfully worried at all?! Something is very wrong with that. Either they really are that stupid or they have something up their sleeves. Not sure.
I saw a great yard sign today: Send Barron
So couldn’t Israel, like, look after its own security interests? Make alliances (friends) in the area, and weird stuff like that? Like a give and take? Is that too much to ask? Am I being naive?
naive. israel was our bitch colony. a tripwire and offshore platform near our oil. that shipped sailed.
You are right, the oil excuse has been invalid for a very long time, decades…
But, it seems you misunderstand a concept of colony… the riches are going from colonies not to them.
The land of Israel was promised to the children of Abraham. Its a family argument going on for some couple thousand years. There is a level of hate we cant understand.
it is so crazy abraham nails the maid and creates a nemesis for all future generations. sound like sonething found in the epstein files
You are wrong. For a couple of thousands of years this was not an issue at all as almost no Abraham’s people lived in this area, since the first century till the beginning of twentieth. It was known as Palestine, home to Muslim majority and Christian minorities. Only then waves of aliyah immigrants started to populate these lands claiming it was theirs because of the biblical references. Only then the problems started, initiated by violent aggression of militant groups (Lehi, Ingur, Hagara) against the native people. This “argument” is about one hundred years old,,, still, way too long.
Yet all of the following positions are held by secularists. Go figure.
Prime Minister
Minister of Defense
Minister of Foreign Affairs
Minister of Justice
Speaker of the Knesset
President of the State of Israel
President of the Supreme Court
Trump said today that he will conquer Cuba if he feels like it. Congress must revoke the War Powers act.
You mean “invoke” the Act, right? Because if it revoked the Act, Trump could start and maintain wars all over, with impunity.
He’s doing that already.
No he would not as the power to declare war rests with the Congress per the constitution. The War Power act delegates the use of force to the president under certain stipulations. If there had been no WPA and Trump did what he did that would be prima facie grounds for immediate impeachment along with Hegseth et al.
There is no agreement Iran can make that will satisfy Israel.
correct
israel is a messed up colony. useful idiots run amok. imagine convincing european jews to move to middle east and start up a new country. the UK really were devious to create those useful idiots. now the USA uses and abuses israel. the sons and grandsons of the people who barely put up a fight in ww2 and got on the freight cars and walked into work camps, are really twisted and humiliated by that fact. so they take out their wrath against palestine and the entire mideast. again, they are still useful idiots for the inheritor of the uk empire, the USA. i’ve discussed this with many of my jewish pals in brooklyn, ultra orthodox hasidic and many non believers. many agree. overcoming one’s parents and grandparents passive humiliation is a mind fuck of epic proportions. i think it will play out in another generation when the haunting of ww2 is completely forgotten.
If they were a colony… then Trump would have power over them instead of the other way around.
if not for the USA, israel WOULD be over run and cease to exist. some examples in recent few centuries of colonies and power. MA bay colony and Great Britain circa 1776. Poland and USSR, few decades ago. on and on. Israel has epstein files and trump did an idiotic chess move against iran. the Saudis and rest of those mideast oil princeling twats are paying the price. not israel or usa. yet.
But who controls the USA? Not its citizens.
> so they take out their wrath against palestine and the entire mideast.
make that against whites and Christians and you’re more on the mark. Talmud.
not sure what white means but being of sicilian background i always considered myself an octoroon. even the WASPs were gang raped by spanish or roman marauders in past centuries. we are all human primates descended from darkest africa.
You mix up so many things together that one can’t quite get what you are saying. I don’t think you know that yourself…
The United States already went to war at Israel’s command four times in the past 25 years already.
Is there any agreement Trump/USA could make that would in some definitive way satisfy Netanyahu’s regime? Which is to say, is it sort of like him — open-ended in demands and desires? Is there some amount of real estate acquisition or balance-of-terror they would stop at?
(I guess the USA has had the luxury of weak adjoining powers and oceans, to at least claim to “stop at.” I think Trump’s supposed promise was a sort of stopping, to stay out of endless foreign wars. Oh well. that didn’t last long.)
“Iran’s terms were everything on the MOU and more. So Trump could never accept it.”
Then he shouldn’t have signed it.
His word in his personal life, his business life and now his political life is, was and were worthless, yet he has been elected twice through the electoral process that is an 18th Century anachronism that by now should’ve been amended if we are to be considered a democracy for elected legislative and the presidency at the national level. Then he is barely re-elected against a Democratic candidate that when she ran for the nomination in 2020 dropped out of the process before garnering a single delegate. She was summarily crowned by the kleptocratic Democratic Party leadership without winning one primary. Then in 2020 Trump loses to a longtime lier, buffoon, neoliberal that his first bite at the apple to win the nomination plagiarized his stump speech forcing him to drop out in the ‘88 campaign.
The so-called republic has been in trouble since congress abdicated its declaration of war constitutional duty to the presidency. Besides Watergate, Nixon should’ve been impeached for his Cambodian and Laos secret wars.
If Trump isn’t planning to cheat or overrule the elections, he certainly is the dumbest sonofabitch there ever was saying this kind of garbage. Maybe the eunuchs around him don’t even let him know what year he’s in.
They are enthralled by the mysterious power of his diaper vapors.
He loves to create distraction and “own the libs” with shock statements. Like the 2028 third term thing. Or the “Strait of Trump” or “Lake America” things. He does it several times a week. I think his followers (the poorer ones) are so low-IQ that it makes them forget whatever he said 72 or more hours ago.
These statements make people watch the tv, read the print…. that is his mission, help the media he fake chastises all the time. It is all part of the Entertainer in Chief spiel… and he will be rewarded for it handsomely.
Come on. Trump’s hubris (or perhaps Natanyahoo’s blackmail) has led him into a blind alley, a no win situation. He has no clue, but makes believe he has a plan. He procrastinates and hopes the news cycle moves on. Remember his great healthcare plan that was going to be unveiled in a few weeks, or the Epstein file disclosure legislation that he signed.
Iran continues to have escalation dominance. If Trumps attacks, they have the ability to destroy most Middle east oil infrastructure and rupture the global economy. They may also have developed, or purchased the missile technology to target aircraft carriers.
Trump is a desperate, deeply ignorant, and mentally unbalanced man at this point. His arrogance makes him incapable of admitting defeat. He is completely unpredictable. Unless the 25th amendment is invoked, anything can happen.
The only thing we can know for sure is: Whatever happens, it will be stupider than what has happened so far.
So true!
Spot on! He has no plan. He’s just winging it, and spouting cheap rationalizations as he goes. He is (we are) sprinting into the dark.
Because of the cowards and sycophants that surround him the 25th and impeachment are off the table.
it is 6 d chess 6 new democrat senators.
Nobody who is writing comments saying what Trump should or shouldn’t do has a clue what is going on including me . But I have never seen so many people including Mish that act like do . Fortunately none of you are running this country !!
Nobody has a clue? There is a non-war war going on between the US and Iran. Both countries take turns blowing up infrastructure. Do you not know that is going on? You must be a MAGA cult member to be so dumb and clueless.
There is also a war between Ukraine and Russia and they are blowing up oil infrastructure. Are you clueless about that as well?
Lastly, Trump is a clown, if you don’t know that by now, you are a cult member.
there are a lot of plates to juggle The rise of the Ethiopian army. A strategic shift that redraws the equations of the security of the Red Sea and the Horn of Africa
https://www.ena.et/web/ara/w/ara_9607017
Translation: ‘we are all clueless, trust Trump.’ Can you hear yourself?!
I recall a big tough guy telling me (at high volume, in my face) just that, in 2003, about Bush and the Iraq war. I knew far, far, far more than he, or apparently Bush, did. I knew there were no MWDs. (I doubt that you, Denis, know what that refers to, so look it up.) That tough guy was a rare one: he admitted to me in ’08 he had been wrong. Back then, most of the “trust the all-seeing boss” people just quietly slunk away like the lazy-minded cowards they were. Then having tossed away our country;’s blood and treasure, and partly as a result, lost their own asses, they were back as angry Trump voters in 2016. (Not that I like or trust Hillary, especially on foreign affairs.) But here we are. No Hillary or Joe to blame, beyond a point. But you know, give the Dems time. But that’s an argument for a later day.
I would take most of the commentors and mish over the molester and thief brain trust that is in there now. not jojo or busness man but mpo45v2 and papadave for sure
An argument from ignorance. Just because we have no evidence just means there must be some evidence out there!
well you are a stupid idiot.
Trump ran on a pledge of now wars, then started one against the advice of his military.
He canceled Obama’s agreement that his own top general and Sec of Defense swore in Congress that Iran was honoring.
Calling me a stupid idiot just shows what a low class person you are . I didn’t insult anyone just stated my opinion.
Fuvk you too
Me no act like do. Me smash man that make fun of daddy! Smash!
Must agree with this, we do not know what is going on. We just speculate based on that stuff he spits around to entertain, for a wicked fun. And most of us bite most of the time… we just can’t help it.
UN-fortunately. Can’t get worse than the delusional lunatics in charge.
I bet you thought different when good ol Joe was President.
He keeps winning and ending wars
Taco makes biden smarter and more competent by the day. Dan Quayle said, “thank God for JD Dufus.” Can’t beat the current mutt and jeff team. Two peas in a spoiled pod.
No negotiations.
(Bibi is delighted, focused on his proposed new European Express oil pipe line from the gulf states via Saudi and thru the Israeli newly-confiscated Gaza coast line … to avoid the pristine northern beaches …)
Post hoc ergo propter hoc … Trump will own the Oct 2026 global equity market crash.
The 3rd quarter in 1929 was estimated to be the peak US economic activity before the crash. Current estimates for 3rd Q US GDP growth are strong ranging from 3-5% driven by consumer spending and AI/chip/data center growth. The top 20% of US earners are responsible for 60% of US consumer spending. The bottom 80% are constrained and are riveted on and stressed by sharply increasing and much too high, fuel and food cost, a weekly recurrent and revisited in-your-face issue. (With its 30% equity drop, McDonalds, the canary in the coal mine, knows the lower tier’s stress.) Expect that top tier consumer spending to be somewhat curtailed after October.
But this isn’t 1929. History may rhyme, but it doesn’t play out identical tunes.
Agree with you, it is a fractal rhyme; it is not identical.
Building pipelines over there is just dumb. Expensive, indefensible, and surrounded by people that hate Israel.
From Article–But privately Trump was skeptical Iran would meet his demands and has told his staff that he sees a renewed bombing campaign as likely. Trump seems to be the —Pot— calling the Kettle black ?
Trump signed an MOU with Iran after much negoiation months ago. Trump has not completed any of the terms of that signed MOU. Now Trump is skeptical of Iran not meeting agreements? Clown Show in the Whitehouse.
“Trump says ‘
I’mIsrael rejecting their deal’” and he has to follow orders or else Epstein.Democrats will be thrilled to help Trump (on Iran) after they win the midterms. Go ahead and bookmark this post and we can come back to it in January.
There will be Oscar winning performances by democrats feigning outrage and feigning trying to stop Trump but their hands will be “tied” during the whole process.
Any questions?
Team D will bitch about how they could run the wars so much better if they were in charge, but say nothing about the war itself.
See: 2006. Team D swept both houses of Congress on opposition to the War On Iraq, and proceeded to do nothing.
2004 and 2008 also come to mind, except Team D dropped any pretended antiwar sentiment like a hot turd, once those war became St. Obama’s wars.
I very much doubt “team D” would say that. No one wants to manage this war. More likely they would say that they wouldn’t have been so stupid as to start a war when their own intelligence agencies and military were saying it would result in the quagmire we are now in. Only a total moron would have started this war.
“Only a total moron would have started this war.”
Or someone desperate to continue the coverup of their pedophilia. Trump may be doing what Israel commands because they have the pics and video, irrefutable proof of his criminality.
It is team R that starts war though. Team D May struggle to end them, but without Team R there would be no wars to end. Afghanistan, Irak and Iran were attacked by team R. Not team D.
Team R by the way never had a plan to win the war they started. The defeat of America is consistently baked into the cake by them.
so true. and obama firebombed libya for no reason. that was a war crime.
re: “Iran’s terms were everyhing on the MOU and more”. I have not seen the exact terms of the latest proposal, as I don’t think they’ve been published. However, everything I’ve heard suggests that Iran is not asking for anything materially different from the MOU, other than timing/sequencing. They are no longer willing to trust upfront that the U.S. will honor commitments (as MOU terms were immediately violated). As a result, the U.S. would be required to fulfill all commitments BEFORE the SOH is opened. Also, the latest offer suggested the possibility of an accelerated timeline (one week instead of 30 or 60 days), yet requires clear fulfillment of commitments.
TBH, Trump probably increased the likelihood that Iran takes the initiative and strikes U.S. forces, GCC collaborators and Israel hard before the mid-terms. Trump and Netanyahu clearly signal they are going to continue the war, and Iran has threatened pre-emptive strikes if they detect build-up for further military action. Pepe Escobar is also reporting that Iran’s proposal came with a Sept 30 deadline (I don’t see this reported by MSM). If Trump rejects the proposal (as it looks he has), once that deadline is reached Iran has a free hand to re-engage, expand the war and with new weapons. They now say they can strike vessels even in the Indian Ocean, and I do not doubt this.
I saw the list on X. But I don’t recall if it was from Iran, yet believable.
They’re just yanking his chain… they know that even if he signed it, he wouldn’t adhere to the terms.
You can’t play diplomacy with a toddler.
The sequencing is everything. Handing over frozen assets and lifting sanctions on Iranian oil sales come first. Even though back in June he said, “it’s their money”, Trump will never allow the frozen assets to be released because they’re way more than the amount Obama released. He railed against Obama for that. Releasing more Iranian assets than Obama would make him a loser (the way Trump sees it).
The Iranians might be able to strike the US Navy in several places, they could also attack our basically undefended mainland infrastructure. However I think the thing that keeps us relatively safe is the fact that Iran knows that causing huge losses like 5,000 sailors on an aircraft carrier would ignite the common people of the US against them. They’ve already seen the war crimes carried out without public approval and can surely imagine the crimes against their population if trump had the approval of the US public. If trump tries to annihilate the Iranian population as threatened they would lose the incentive for restraint and attack full bore. Attempted annihilation may also bring in additional direct support from other countries including China.
What kind of POTUS gives the adversary six weeks lead time.
One who wants to devote 6 weeks to the election.
Also that’s 6 weeks for the US to build more stuff too and our budget and manufacturing is much larger than theirs is. The US will be building lots of drones of it’s own now that its clear the future is drone warfare and this gives 6 more weeks of production.
I wouldn’t count on it. Iran is certainly more capable of building more (and newer) ballistic missiles and drones than the U.S. is capable of replacing interceptors and precision weapons (w/ multi-year lead times and rare earth shortages, thanks to Chinese export controls). Even if U.S. didn’t have the supply chain issues, it wouldn’t make a difference as we’re not building anything up to the task. Iran has hardened underground facilities which can even withstand nuclear strikes. What we can strike are soft civilian targets and infrastructure/gas facilities, but Iran has promised to take out Gulf infrastructure once that happens.
But as I commented previously, I don’t think Trump has 6 weeks. Iran gave a deadline and is primed to take the initiative.
The military isn’t ordering those kinds of drones. We have bombs and missiles for taking out hardened targets as we’ve demonstrated already.
The drones being build (hundreds of thousands on order, you can google it, its easy to find if you care to look) are for taking out other drones since its clear it’s too costly to use Patriots. A totally logical response.
who is building those drones?
Probably the same geniuses behind the $469 million factory in Mesquite TX opened in 2024 to produce 155 mm artillery shells for the Ukraine – and hasn’t produced a single one yet.
US Military. They’ve ordered hundreds of thousands of them. It’s an easy google search to see the military is starting to build them.
Why would that be any kind of surprise given we spend 1 trillion a year?
If this is how he wants to “devote” his time, praise be. More he does, more losers get the boot
Nobody is going to build anything in six weeks.
not so sure Iran needs to build or just wait for the shipments to arrive
Point taken, but it doesn’t matter. Iran certainly has intelligence gathering on the ground, as well as access to Chinese satellite surveillance. They will be aware of any major military preparations.
Yes – it just sounds awful, from a national security standpoint.
We don’t have any, anymore.
a submissive cuck
One that wont remember anything about any of this 6 weeks from now.
operation donald epstein distraction, and the free shit army keep advancing to victory. unlike the soldiers sailors and marines.
Free bombs for all!
a chicken in every pot and a fighter jet under every Xmas tree.
Fuck the soldiers, sailors and marines who signed up for a war criminal military.