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Trump’s Foolish Escalation in Iran Results in Two More Dead U.S. Troops

Trump had a golden opportunity to declare victory and move on. He chose unwisely.

Two More Dead U.S. Troops

The Wall Street Journal reports Two U.S. Troops Killed in Iran Missile Attack on Jordan

Two U.S. servicemembers were killed and several were wounded in an Iranian attack on an air base in Jordan, further escalating a weeklong exchange of fire where both sides have been striking increasingly sensitive targets.

U.S. Central Command, which oversees American forces in the Middle East, confirmed the deaths and said another servicemember is missing as a result of the attack.

Four servicemembers were medically evacuated to Jordanian hospitals and have since been discharged, according to Centcom. Other personnel who were evaluated for minor injuries have been returned to duty, Centcom added.

Iran has adapted to U.S. defenses, firing missiles that travel at extremely high speeds and can maneuver as they streak toward the earth, according to U.S. officials familiar with the attacks. Iran’s ability to hit sensitive targets has also raised concerns that the regime is getting targeting help from China or Russia, the officials said.

The American casualties will test President Trump’s restraint amid an escalating exchange of fire between the U.S. and Iran that stretched through the past week. The president has previously said he would consider going back to war if Iran kills U.S. troops.

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said Saturday that the loss of the servicemembers would stiffen the U.S.’s resolve.

The Iranian attack took place at Muwaffaq Salti Air Base, which U.S. warplanes have used for operations against Iran, according to U.S. officials. The U.S. casualties came as American and partner forces were defending against missile and drone attacks, Centcom said.

Iran has repeatedly attacked the base with ballistic missiles and drones. The base was hit in another attack earlier this week, and U.S. servicemembers sustained minor injuries, according to two U.S. officials.

Prior to the attack, the Pentagon had said 14 American servicemembers had died in the conflict with Iran due to hostile actions or accidents.

Heavier Strikes Coming

https://twitter.com/Osint613/status/2078559814465306900?s=20

War About to End

Message to the US

Ground Troops?

I doubt that but I don’t doubt plans are discussed.

US Targets Iran’s Infrastracture

Infrastructure Retaliation Threat

Kuwait Desalinization Plant

What’s the Logic?

‘Some 10,000 people across 20 Iranian villages’ without water after US attack on desalination pumps, water company says

The US war on Iran has lost any military logic and is simply a war of terror on the civilian population

War Has Lost All Logic

Blowing up Mideast infrastructure is guaranteed to do two things. Increase hatred and raise prices.

Trump had a MOU that would have opened the strait at a cost of $1-2 million per tanker.

Despite a goal of restoring the strait back to what it was, Trump declared the US the guardian of the strait at a cost of 20 percent of cargo, roughly $30 million per tanker, 15 to 30 times more than Iran.

Iran could not charge too much more because alternate routes would be built.

War had no logic because Trump has no logic. Instead of lowering prices at the pump headed into the midterm elections, gasoline prices are now heading back up.

Trump has the emotional stability of a two-year-old child with the brain of an aging dementia-ridden octogenarian hampered with severe narcissism.

So, don’t expect foreign policy logic. Instead, expect random flip-flop actions that will damage the global economy including the US.

Also expect increased efforts to steal the midterm elections because this nonsense is going to cost still more votes.

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Augustine
Augustine
17 days ago

Iran is doing the US a favor. Since the troops were never recalled home from the hundreds of bases abroad, Iran is recalling them, some in body bags, and shutting down dozens of bases abroad, as we the people have been clamoring for.

Quatloo
Quatloo
18 days ago

Now we are hearing from CENTCOM that there is another American soldier killed in Northern Iraq. Oh, and in Jordan there are ‘unidentified remains’ that they are still examining from the Iranian strike at the military base.

I wonder how many more?

Last edited 18 days ago by Quatloo
Joe Penny
Joe Penny
18 days ago

Suckers & losers

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
18 days ago

It is not a real war unless the Administration gets Americans killed.
Apparently American Hubris is incurable.

Bam_Man
Bam_Man
18 days ago

“Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.”
— Mao Zedong

Truer words were never spoken.

Last edited 18 days ago by Bam_Man
Arthur Orwell
Arthur Orwell
18 days ago
Reply to  Bam_Man

It also grows out of deception. That is why we have cathedrals and universities.

MelvinRich
MelvinRich
18 days ago

Politicians are evil vermin. None of this needs to happen but the power game the pols love goes on. I was shouted down as a racist when I pointed out that the Iranians are not the same breed as the inhabitants of Gaza or Palestine. This is an educated intelligent and very tough bunch, Aryan people with a history of empire and civilization, not Arabs. Call me a racist but there is a huge difference. Please don’t post they are multicultural, blah, blah, that nonsense as nothing to do with the prevailing culture.

Last edited 18 days ago by MelvinRich
Arthur Orwell
Arthur Orwell
18 days ago
Reply to  MelvinRich

Remember that politicians are elected. They are elected by ordinary voters who are voting according to what they understand. What they understand is colored by what they are told by what I call priests, including media people and the vast education industry.

You can expect to be shouted down if you say something that ordinary people don’t understand because the facts are completely outside what they have been allowed to know by the priesthood.

Remember that a lot of the priests are quite retarded people themselves. In any church that has been around for any length of time, there are a vast number of people who have a propensity to believe what they are told, provided they are told it by what they think of as authority. I am old enough to have met some people who thought that something must be true because they heard it in a Christian church. Nowadays most people think something must be true, or anyway is not to be questioned, if it is taught in schools and universities or if it is repeated enough times by media people.

As for the Persians, a lot of them seem to be intelligent people, but they are still in the thrall of the Islamic religion. I can remember when Southern Europe was in the thrall of the Catholic Church, so the Persians are not the only Aryan people who can fall under the sway of primitive religion. Remember also that nearly ALL the people of the West are under the sway of the Education religion. Like all religions it does contain elements of truth, and because it is a relatively new religion, its blind spots haven’t been exposed yet, at least not to the extent that the blind spots of Christianity and Islam have.

When a religion is young is when it is most dangerous. People REALLY DO believe in Education, whereas only a relatively small proportion of any population today is prepared to go all the way with Christianity or Islam.

Notice that one of the religions that people were prepared to go the whole way with, in living memory, was Communism. Communism is the Christian moral code, stripped of the Christian magic stories, and taken seriously. (I have a Lutheran minister to thank for first pointing out to me that Communism was a Christian heresy.) Trained Christian ministers do not go the whole hog in pressing their moral code, and prefer to talk about the magic stories, because they know from bitter historical experience that any attempt to enforce their moral code leads to horrors.

top gone
top gone
18 days ago

so sad all because the epstein files were getting too much attention

Stu
Stu
18 days ago

– Iran has adapted to U.S. defenses, firing missiles that travel at extremely high speeds.
> So much for having NO missiles.

– Iran’s ability to hit sensitive targets has raised concerns that the regime is getting targeting help from China or Russia.
> So much like Ukraine is getting help from The U.S. and other Countries?

– The American casualties will test President Trump.
> So what you really mean, is that the U.S. MSM will try to conserve Trump to stop.

– The president has previously said he would consider going back to war if Iran kills U.S. troops.
> When did we stop going to war? Did I miss something?

– The Iranian attack took place, where U.S. warplanes have used for operations against Iran.
> You don’t say…

– The U.S. casualties came as American and partner forces were defending against missile and drone attacks.
> But they don’t have any Missiles, or ways to launch them, and the same with drone capabilities, or again, did I miss something?

– Iran has repeatedly attacked the base with ballistic missiles and drones.
> You don’t say…

– As a new round of U.S. strikes against Iran continues.
> Well look at that. Our President has kept his word for a change. He is actually doing what He said we would. Now the repercussions of such will occur, like deaths to military personal, which do often die in instances like this thing called War, but that’s another story… He will have to address…

RandomMike
RandomMike
18 days ago

Hegseth stiffens.

Frosty
Frosty
18 days ago

Is someone backing Iran and supplying them with missiles?

If so, why does Iran target US bases instead of Israel?

If the US is bombing civilian water infrastructure in Iran, why are our allies not calling Trum out for the war crimes?

I suppose that the answers lie with whoever else is in the Trump/Epstein files that the DOJ and Congress is complicit in withholding.

Stu
Stu
18 days ago
Reply to  Frosty

Of course China and/or Russia are providing Iran with weapons. We are doing the same with Ukraine against Russia. This is called war for a reason.
Iran would hit Israel, if they were not 100% sure they would annihilate them. Trump has to deal with the U.S. MSM, and deaths to military and the negative press that comes with that. Israel does what has to be done to “Win A War”, while we diddle with headlines, and hurt feelings and emotional dilemmas etc. and forget why we are there in the first place…

threeblindmice
threeblindmice
18 days ago
Reply to  Stu

“Iran would never attack Israel because they’re scared” – Stu

Gemini:
Yes, Iran has attacked Israel directly several times, marking a major shift from their decades-long proxy conflict into direct military warfare.

Despite Israel’s advanced multi-layered air defense systems (such as the Iron Dome, David’s Sling, and Arrow systems) and assistance from international allies, Iran **has successfully bypassed these defenses to inflict notable damage on both military and civilian targets inside Israel** across multiple conflicts.

Because Iran has increasingly relied on high-volume ballistic missile barrages, a percentage of ordnance has consistently penetrated defensive networks. The documented damage includes:

### 1. Military Infrastructure & Air Bases

* **Air Base Strikes:** During both the 2024 and 2025 escalations, Iranian ballistic missiles managed to score direct hits on major Israeli military installations. Satellite imagery and military acknowledgments confirmed impact craters and structural damage to maintenance hangers, taxiways, and support infrastructure at key bases (such as Nevatim Airbase in the Negev).
* **Radar & Surveillance Networks:** Advanced tracking networks have been targeted. During the larger-scale conflicts, localized infrastructure supporting Israel’s early-warning and missile interception networks suffered hardware damage from direct hits or heavy fragmentation.

### 2. Civilian Centers & Residential Areas

* **Neighborhood Level Destruction:** During the intense exchanges of the **Twelve-Day War (2025)** and the **40-Day War (Feb–April 2026)**, numerous heavy ballistic missiles and cluster-munitions impacted directly within Israeli population centers.
* **Structural Losses:** Ground reports in metropolitan areas like Tel Aviv and northern Israeli communities documented severe structural destruction, including completely leveled or defaced apartment complexes, blown-out neighborhoods, and ruined civil infrastructure.
* **Displacement and Casualties:** In total across these conflicts, dozens of Israeli civilians were killed, thousands were treated for injuries, and over 5,500 citizens faced displacement due to the destruction of their homes.

### 3. Government and Energy Sites

* **Critical Logistics:** Beyond residential zones, Iranian long-range assets targeted municipal utilities, research facilities, and government structures. While Israel maintained its primary power grid capability, localized energy storage points and civil installations took direct damage before ceasefires were successfully brokered.

Sentient
Sentient
18 days ago
Reply to  Frosty

Iran is focusing on driving the U.S. out of the region.

Jojo
Jojo
18 days ago

It’s the Iranian Regimes fault for attacking commercial ships. Bomb the crap out of them!

Jack
Jack
18 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

You’re absolutely right.

And while we’re at it, we should bomb the ocean for being wet and the map for being confusing.

Stoic
Stoic
18 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

are you Hegseth’s twin brother or something? or maybe you’re taking his testosterone shots?

Six000MileYear
Six000MileYear
18 days ago

The countries Iran targeted are not venting their anger toward the US as Iran hoped. They are directing it back at Iran. This implies a HUGE underlying tension existed among countries in the region before the US took military action. Countries in the gulf are using US military just as American colonies used Hessians to combat the British.

The CIA / MI-6 1953 coup is largely viewed as the starting point of US-Iran tensions. There was something more subtle that was not taught in global history when I was in high school. The West did not have the armed forces to be the world’s police following WW2, so they took a risk by redrawing the middle east (remnants of the ottoman empire) such that each country would have enough internal conflict to distract them from re-forming into a regional military power. When Iran’s elections resulted in leaders against Western influence, it posed a threat to regional stability and western control. At that point the CIA/MI-6 supported the 1953 coup in Iran to re-install a pro-western leader.

Today’s military actions are not failures of today’s policy, but a bad risk taken 80 years ago.

I’m back robbyrob
I’m back robbyrob
18 days ago
Reply to  Six000MileYear
Quatloo
Quatloo
18 days ago
Reply to  Six000MileYear

The people in the region understand what is really going on. The US coerces GCC countries to denounce Iran, using the carrot and the stick. For instance, any Iraq sale of oil must be run through American bank accounts, and Trump has refused to allow Iraq to have access to “their” money from oil sales unless they do what Trump says. Notice also the recent announcements of multi-billion dollar US weapon sales to Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, and the UAE. There is a price for those approvals and it includes those countries publicly complaining about Iran. The worst part is the US military bases in those countries make them less safe and bigger targets for Iranian missiles. In reality, they blame the US, not Iran, but they have sold their souls to the devil and now have to pay the price.

MelvinRich
MelvinRich
18 days ago
Reply to  Six000MileYear

No offense but you don’t get it. Iran is showing that the US is not capable of defending the gulf states. You are witnessing a decline in US prestige and power.

Arthur Orwell
Arthur Orwell
18 days ago
Reply to  Six000MileYear

Do you really think the Western leaders were as sophisticated as that, back in year 1953? I accept that they may have drawn some boundaries badly. I doubt that they did it to make sure those countries stayed weak.

I think that in 1953 it would simply have been assumed that these sorts of peoples would stay helpless. We knew that the Japanese could fight, because they had just proved it. But I don’t think anyone expected Arabs or Persians ever to learn how to fight. That part of the world had been dominated by Turkey, and in those days even Turkey didn’t count in a military sense, except when Turkish troops were led by European officers.

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
18 days ago
Reply to  Six000MileYear

The gulfie tyrannies are ruled by Sunnis who have their assets stashed in Western countries.

Iran knows all of this.

radar
radar
18 days ago

What’s so absurd is it’s over a fee that would have a negligible effect on fuel prices. A much lower cost than what’s currently being paid. All due to one man’s desire ‘to win.’ Makes me want to throw up.

cambeiu
cambeiu
18 days ago
Reply to  radar

There would not even be a fee to begin with if Trump hadn’t started this mess in the first place.

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
18 days ago
Reply to  radar

The United States never had the slightest intent of making peace. “Fees” or “tolls” are a pretext. Nothing more.

Jojo
Jojo
18 days ago
Reply to  radar

Principles are what is important.

Stoic
Stoic
18 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

Oh sure, Trump is such a principled man isn’t he? You’re a joke, mate.

radar
radar
18 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

Let the killing continue, even the kids, until all principles are followed!!

Quatloo
Quatloo
18 days ago
Reply to  radar

Maybe CENTCOM can use Google Maps to find more girls’ schools to hit in their principled war!

Jojo
Jojo
18 days ago
Reply to  Quatloo

Let’s hope so. The world does not need more Iranians.

Quatloo
Quatloo
17 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

Wow, an advocate for genocide, right here in our little online community

Sentient
Sentient
18 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

I actually think JoJo explains why the MOU blew up (apart from the fact that the US would never release all frozen assets, lift sanctions or bring about a giant rebuilding fund). It’s that Narco Marco thinks he’s defending sacred principles and thinks that the U.S. can compel anybody into anything. And that he’s clever when he’s really a dolt. So he dreamt up the “southern (Omani) corridor scheme.

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
18 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

If principles were so important, Trump would be twitching out his life on a gibbet.

But you don’t care in the least about principles.

moparsully
moparsully
18 days ago

Trump’s response “I disagree with the killing of US servicemen today but how handsome is the King of Jordan, what a gorgeous man”

rk syrus
rk syrus
18 days ago

Okay, so we’re about to trash the world’s economic cardiac organ, the GCC. Luckily there are two countries that can bail us out: Russia and China, and we have splendid relations with them, eh?

The late Senator Lindsey Graham’s updated Russia sanctions bill, led alongside Senator Richard Blumenthal, aims to choke off Russia’s war machine by imposing up to 100% tariffs on the top five importers of Russian energy, which notably includes China.

Oh… Nevermind!

I’m back robbyrob
I’m back robbyrob
18 days ago
MMchenry, CFA
MMchenry, CFA
18 days ago

Another MASSIVE MISCALUATION BY TRUMP: CAUSE AND EFFECT ASYMETRY: iRAN WILL TRADE BIRGDES FOR OTHER’S REFINERIES 24/7/365 AND INFLICT FAR, FAR MORE LASTING PAIN ON A FAR BROADER FOOTPRINT.

A John Cezar posted this comment that is deadon about what is happening. This is the macro equivalent of our shooting $1 mil+ missles to shoot down $100 drones. In the Global economic tapestry this is from dollars and cents, AND time to recovery MAJOR, MAJOR consequences to resolve. And the economic destabilization in the interim. (E.g. from scarce resources getting rationed by price – highest bidder gets the diesel fuel.)

Ahmed Khalifa
@_A_khalifa

Missile sites wiped out in multiple cities across Iran, Bridges and roads to central Iran basically severed! Things are falling apart fast !
….

john cezar
@johncezar1897
cost of bridge compared to your oil refinery and the economy around it that IS NOTHING u are drowning in the 100s billions already from the war iran can go down with honour and you die out under its weight
5:45 AM · Jul 18, 2026
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Last edited 18 days ago by MMchenry, CFA
strongGnu
strongGnu
18 days ago

Mish wants to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and make their sacrafice meaningless. Death to Israel and Death to America. Iran does not want peace. They want nuclear weapons no matter what the cost. Trump gave them 100 days of off ramps, and they made no meaningful attempt to co-exist. Even during the 100 days, the Iranians were trying to pick a fight. Mish is assessing the situation through his feminized eyes and does not realize these are smart crafty resource rich religious zealots who are not afraid to send their population and followers to their death. Mish would like Trump to tuck tail and declare “victory” when two service members died for their country and long-term peace and give into crazed zealots. They would like nothing better than to kill any American including any of the readers; regardless of your positions.
Saudia Arabia is calling on Pakistan to fulfil their defense pact, and the noose is tightening and Mish wants to run like a coward. 

PapaDave
PapaDave
18 days ago
Reply to  strongGnu

I bet you expected the US to win the unnecessary wars we started in Vietnam and Iraq as well. Sorry to tell you that we won’t be winning this one either.

Any losses we suffer are the result of Trump’s stupidity. He promised us no foreign wars. And yet, here we are. The blood of our soldiers is on his hands.

MelvinRich
MelvinRich
18 days ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Do you expect any politician to tell the truth?

Green Mountain
Green Mountain
18 days ago
Reply to  strongGnu

This is not our war to fight. There is nothing in this for us. We have yet to have a decisive victory in the Middle East. How many times are we going to try and at what cost to the US. I ,for one, am tired of paying for these wars. The oil is not worth it.

I’m back robbyrob
I’m back robbyrob
18 days ago
Reply to  Green Mountain

The US is wasting time and resources in overseas conflicts, National security should be built on domestic strength, specifically by securing our power grid and reducing global oil dependence. We have the technology, tools, solar, wind, advanced battery storage, nuclear power to make this happen.
We have the wrong people in place to make this happen.

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
18 days ago
Reply to  strongGnu

The United States is an aggressor and bully that deserves to lose.

Rogerroger
Rogerroger
18 days ago
Reply to  Feral Finster

We have to use spreading democracy as a way to invade countries so our corporations can move in.

MelvinRich
MelvinRich
18 days ago
Reply to  Feral Finster

I can’t bring myself to say that. I’m a veteran and hate to see servicemen killed or wounded. I have heard that from others though.

Jojo
Jojo
18 days ago
Reply to  strongGnu

Thank you!

TheBird
TheBird
18 days ago
Reply to  strongGnu

You really should be first boots on the ground.

Rogerroger
Rogerroger
18 days ago
Reply to  TheBird

After barron

threeblindmice
threeblindmice
18 days ago
Reply to  strongGnu

Yawn… the other side is evil and can’t be bargained with.. says the country that picked the fight, used the sanctions, installed a puppet government, armed its hostile neighbor, and drops the bombs. Look at these comment-board tough guys measuring the length of their “apparatus” by how many tough words they can say.

Rex River
Rex River
18 days ago
Reply to  strongGnu

Totally agree, that Mish is a traitor to the US.
After WW II, the Almighty blessed our Nation
With complete control of all the World’s sea gates , as prophesied in the Bible.
Due to our Nations Sins, the Almighty will take them away, One by One. Our Nation is in the fight of its lifetime, to secure the greatest Seagate for all of History. For those who protest this War with Iran, you our nothing but traitors to the US & will pay a heavy price, of Poverty & Despair. Should we lose. The day before D-Day
Every church in America was full! Praying to the Almighty for Victory. Sadly today we have people like Mish & others praying for defeat.

Sentient
Sentient
18 days ago
Reply to  Rex River

Hitler had invaded multiple countries, as had Japan. Iran wasn’t bothering anybody except the Israelis’ quest for an expanding Greater Israel.

Quatloo
Quatloo
18 days ago
Reply to  Rex River

Amazing to me that there are people out there who really believe this stuff

Quatloo
Quatloo
18 days ago
Reply to  Quatloo

Just to clarify, what amazes me is that some people actually believe these ridiculous ‘reasons’ for going to war

Arthur Orwell
Arthur Orwell
18 days ago
Reply to  strongGnu

You shouldn’t call Mish “feminized,” because he wouldn’t be able to handle statistics if he were. The only women who can handle statistics are the ones who have masculinized brains.

I think Trump will go on to bring the Strait of Hormuz under American control (i.e. make it an international waterway again) regardless of anything we say or think. He will have promised it to his Jewish friends and rellies. It isn’t turning out to be as much of a cakewalk as Venezuela, but that doesn’t mean he can’t do it.

And, like it or not, it will please all the American feminists who think that Persians don’t treat their ladies right. There might be a few votes there for Trump.

Webej
Webej
18 days ago

Nobody could be convinced that the current parody was possible, except they have to accept it since it is actually happening.

Perhaps Trump and his generals are all buffoons.
But the military has been gaming a blockade of the Strait of Hormuz since 1980, and everybody has known this forever.

Maybe they are achieving exactly what they want, but with some plausible deniability: to shut in Hormuz.

Trump’s role is simply to entertain people like a monkey prancing about on the deck of the ship of state, a tanker which is not about to turn any corner any time soon.

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
18 days ago
Reply to  Webej

The goal ever always only was to turn Iran into a failed state, as was done to Iraq, Syria and Libya.

That ordinary people suffer as a result of America’s wars of aggression on behalf of Israel troubles Trump and Netanyahu not a whit, as long as they personally do not suffer.

Canuck
Canuck
18 days ago

I wouldn’t say victory, but would like him to move on alright.

Webej
Webej
18 days ago

40 million people came out to pay their last respects to Ali Khamenei last week.
The largest ever gathering of people.
Khamenei was kill along with family members and his 14-month old grand-daughter as the opening act of this war.

These people in Teheran, Qom, Najaf, Karbala, Mashhad and other cities where the martyred leader’s body did not pass … they traveled, walked, stood in line for hours, and encamped outdoors, often for days, braving 45° temperatures (113° F).

Many had red flags and were chanting entegam — both mean ‘retribution’ or ‘revenge’

In Yemen Friday, there were millions again, rallying in Sanna’

I wonder what it all means.

Brutus Admirer
Brutus Admirer
18 days ago
Reply to  Webej

The underhanded, dishonorable attack and mass assassination by US-Israel likely produced a unity and attitude in Persians similar to what 9/11 produced in Americans.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
18 days ago
Reply to  Brutus Admirer

Probably moreso… BinLadin wasn’t strutting around like a clown in the media daily.

Tony Frank
Tony Frank
18 days ago

Taco could care less. After all, these brave soldiers are not part of his family.

Creamer
Creamer
18 days ago

Also expect increased efforts to steal the midterm elections because this nonsense is going to cost still more votes.

He’s made it abundantly obvious at this point that he’s going to try to ignore the results entirely. The GOP and big tech dumped an overflowing latrine in their bed with Trump 2.0 and I sincerely hope they’re happy to lie with it.

I may be a conservative, but I don’t screw pigs. We need a new party entirely after this, and everyone involved with the crimes of this admin needs to spend some time in prison.

misc
misc
19 days ago

The Iranian leadership has simply failed its people. Its only card is to try to terrorize its Gulf neighbors. Whatever Iran does can be rebuilt, but not so for Iran. Kharg Island will simply be destroyed and the world will find it can simply do without Iran’s 2 million barrels per day for the next 40 years or so.

Libya at least had its oil infrastructure…Iran simply nothing.

cambeiu
cambeiu
19 days ago
Reply to  misc

But Jojo, how can Iran “terrorize” its neighbors if its military already has been utterly destroyed?

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
18 days ago
Reply to  cambeiu

Persians have a uniquely powerful “BOO!”

PapaDave
PapaDave
19 days ago
Reply to  misc

More like the US government has failed its people. Trump promised to never get us into a foreign war. And yet here he is, in another no-win foreign war. Killing Iranians, using up our military arsenal, getting our soldiers killed, and further bankrupting our country.

misc
misc
18 days ago
Reply to  PapaDave

There is only one reason to enrich uranium to a 60% level. That is pursuit of a nuclear weapon. When Iran refused to negotiate stopping this pursuit, we had to act to prevent a massive catastrophe. Trump did what he had to.

Quatloo
Quatloo
18 days ago
Reply to  misc

First, they were not enriching to those levels until after Trump tore up the JCPOA and assassinated General Solemani. Trump is the direct cause of the enrichment. Second, there is no law against enriching uranium or having a stealth nuclear program. If there was, Israel and North Korea are far worse offenders. Finally, there is no evidence or reason to think that Iran would ever use a nuclear weapon, they are a far more peaceful nation than the US or Israel, whose propaganda you are falling for.

You really should study history before spouting such nonsense.

I’m back robbyrob
I’m back robbyrob
18 days ago
Reply to  Quatloo
PapaDave
PapaDave
18 days ago
Reply to  misc

Nope:

Trump tore up the agreement that was working to prevent Iran from doing that. Once he tore it up and put sanctions back on, then Iran went back to enrichment. His fault to begin with.

Trump then negotiated with Iran for a better agreement. While negotiating, he bombed the enrichment sites and said it was so successful that Iran would never be able to enrich Uranium again and would never be able to produce a nuke. Problem solved.

In spite of Trump’s claim that Iran could no longer produce a weapon, suddenly we have to attack them again to prevent them from creating a nuke.

Trump’s attack caused Iran to take control of the strait of Hormuz. This gives Iran more leverage than a nuke ever would.

Another huge blunder by Trump. Just like tearing up the JCPOA. Now Iran has leverage they never dreamed of having. Control of the strait.

Now Trump’s goal is to get the strait open again. He doesn’t even care about the uranium anymore. Because the strait is more important.

Trump promised over and over to never engage in another foreign war because it’s none of our business. Yet here we are.

You need to stop drinking Trump’s cult koolaid. It’s rotting your brain, leaving you incapable of seeing reality.

misc
misc
18 days ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Trump tore up the JCPOA because after 15 years it removed any and all supervision over Iran’s nuclear endeavors. This was a terrible deal that Obama made. Pretty much gifted Iran the ability to make nukes.

Quatloo
Quatloo
18 days ago
Reply to  misc

Obviously you have never read the JCPOA, which contradicts everything you say

Rogerroger
Rogerroger
18 days ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Eh nuclear smulclear. Basicly iran was getting to big for Israel to contain. They just make it about nukes to sell war to the masses.

TheBird
TheBird
18 days ago
Reply to  misc

You are a broken record, saying the same falsehoods over and over just like your orange leader.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
18 days ago
Reply to  TheBird

It works quite well on stupid people… he’s proof.

Sentient
Sentient
18 days ago
Reply to  misc

Hopefully Iran is assembling – or has assembled – at least a few atomic warheads and loaded them onto missiles. It’s their best hope for being left alone.

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
18 days ago
Reply to  misc

Even if that were true, force is the only language that the thugs who rule the United States and Israel understand.

Stu
Stu
18 days ago
Reply to  PapaDave

– More like the US government has failed its people.
> We have indeed done so. America doesn’t stomach war very well, and that’s a good thing, but at times it can sway us to not do what has to be done, to win. If you go to war to win, like Israel does for example, then you can win and move on and be done with it.

– Trump promised to never get us into a foreign war.
> A very stupid promise, as war is often not one’s choice. Going from having the bully on the school yard, and getting picked on each and every day until you fight back hard enough to make them want to stop. They are not winning any longer, so they give up. I know coming from a military background and going to double digit schools growing up, and as a result getting into fights here and there. You learn to fight quickly, and how to win quickly, and it’s simply not making it easy, fun, and at times costly to them. A punch in the face out of nowhere did that for me on a few occasions, as they didn’t wish to have that happen again, and found someone else to pick on that doesn’t fight back. Like Trump has been doing with Iran through most of this so called war…

– And yet here he is, in another no-win foreign war.
> Only no win, because we refuse to do what it takes to win. Allow Israel unfettered access to stop this war, and it would be over in a few weeks (with our help) and Iran would be literally annihilated. War would be over, and peace would be that much closer in the World, with Iran gone. Just saying…

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
18 days ago
Reply to  misc

Like blaming the victim of an attempted rape for fighting back when things would have been so much easier if she just gave in to her attacker.

Disgusting.

Last edited 18 days ago by Feral Finster
Richinar
Richinar
19 days ago

Expect it to get much worse

Jackula
Jackula
19 days ago

Unfortunately the media and the Israel lobby want Iran balkanized and Trump is not politically strong enough now to resist. Our military is not strong enough today to win a decisive victory. When hydrocarbon prices start to really climb Trump will have no choice but to capitulate

Phil in CT
Phil in CT
19 days ago
Reply to  Jackula

“Trump is not politically strong enough now to resist”
😂 You’re anthropomorphising him!

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
18 days ago
Reply to  Phil in CT

That’ll happen when you put a pig in a $10,000 suit.

GAZ
GAZ
19 days ago

Where is Iran’s “Supreme Leader”??? Is he embarrassed to show himself because his face is fried?
Written statements don’t mean squat! He can’t even do a voice message??
Sound engineers could do a comparison with past public statements and show a proof of life, if it’s actually his voice.
“Supreme Leader” is dead or a vegetable and Iran is scared to admit it because then the eternal power struggle begins. Who is running the show?

Last edited 19 days ago by GAZ
PapaDave
PapaDave
19 days ago
Reply to  GAZ

What difference does it make? Whether he is dead or alive isn’t important. Those in charge will use him as a figurehead to lead the people. Then he will likely be reported killed as a martyr by American strikes to stir up the populace.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
18 days ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Supreme Leader implies superpowers… perhaps he can fly and shoot lightning from his eyes?

Jojo
Jojo
18 days ago
Reply to  GAZ

Exactly! A rare perceptive comment from the Mish hoi polloi here.

Quatloo
Quatloo
18 days ago
Reply to  GAZ

Interestingly, Donald Trump has not shown his face in public since the two US soldiers were killed

Jeff Larry
Jeff Larry
19 days ago

And had Trump taken the Golden opportunity declare victory and moved on, Mish and the usual lot would have started crying “TACO”.

PapaDave
PapaDave
19 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Larry

Nope. More likely they would have cheered Trump for finally making a good decision. Mish and many here call it like it is. Unlike cult morons who think Trump is always right.

whirlaway
whirlaway
19 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Larry

Yes, they’ll say it was a TACO, but they will also say that he need not have started the mess in the first place.

Quatloo
Quatloo
18 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Larry

Poor, poor MAGA, always the victim that just seems to be hated no matter what they do, forever the whiny weakling begging to be pitied

Last edited 18 days ago by Quatloo
Feral Finster
Feral Finster
18 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Larry

Since Trump picked a fight with Iran, he doesn’t get credit for walking away.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
18 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Larry

… and you care about this why?

Does it hurt your feelings? Make that lower lip stick out and tremble?

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
19 days ago

Trump never had the slightest intent to de-escalate. Israel still has The Files.

The plan was ever always only to make noises about peace, get as much oil out as possible and as many weapons in as possible, fine-tune the algorithms, and take another swing

Brutus Admirer
Brutus Admirer
19 days ago

Its very likely more than 16 Americans dead for Israel. When has the US govt ever told the truth, esp. when inflicting war? And many of the hundred or hundreds maimed will be crippled by their wounds the rest of their lives. All because Trump is Bibi’s bitch.

Quatloo
Quatloo
18 days ago
Reply to  Brutus Admirer

It was good to see Thomas Massie formally acknowledge in Congress the USS Liberty dead Americans intentionally and directly killed by Israel for propaganda purposes in a false flag operation

Sentient
Sentient
18 days ago
Reply to  Brutus Admirer

Absolutely, Brutus! Take any official casualty figures and multiply them by at least ten.

Nate
Nate
19 days ago

Isn’t “Trump’s Foolish….” redundant?

rjd1955
rjd1955
19 days ago

Trump had such a chance to really do some important things for the US. I believe he was totally stunned by winning against Hillary in 2016. Now it seems as if his ego & his thin skin will be his undoing along with dragging down the US. I bet his thinking with regards to Iran is…”My army is bigger than your army.”

Condolences to the families of the fallen soldiers and also all of the innocent civilians dying in all of these unfortunate wars. I think the main question that US citizens need to ask themselves is…”Do I feel safer after the bombing of Iran?” I certainly don’t.

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
19 days ago
Reply to  rjd1955

Trump is weak, stupid and easily manipulated. This was obvious a long time ago.

Tenacious D
Tenacious D
19 days ago
Reply to  Feral Finster

In other words,

“Trump has the emotional stability of a two-year-old child with the brain of an aging dementia-ridden octogenarian hampered with severe narcissism.”

Frank
Frank
18 days ago
Reply to  Tenacious D

Exactly.

Frank
Frank
18 days ago
Reply to  Feral Finster

IMHO he is a Malignant Narcissist, Psychopath and paranoid.We in a heap a trouble boys!

Peace
Peace
19 days ago
Reply to  rjd1955

While US is proudly bombing Iranian infrastructure and killing people,

In China – powerful Moonshot AI’s Kimi K3 is released
and 29 countries join World AI Cooperation Organization in Shanghai

Augustine
Augustine
17 days ago
Reply to  rjd1955

Fuck the families of mercenaries and those idiots who applaud them in airplanes and shake their hands thanking them for their crimes.

PapaDave
PapaDave
19 days ago

As expected, Trump will keep trying to win an unwinnable war, because he cannot stand to lose. I expect the US to keep this up for another week or two in an attempt to force Iran to open the strait of Hormuz. (Even though Trump keep saying he controls the strait!) We used up close to half of our long range armaments in the first phase of the war, and we will be close to using up another quarter of them in phase two. At that point, a very frustrated Trump will try to arrange another ceasefire as the military will explain to him that it is too dangerous to completely exhaust these weapons.

However, Iran will no longer be interested in a ceasefire. They are no longer interested in negotiations, other than as a stalling tactic. They know that Trump will never honor any agreement anyway. Their goal now will be to continue to control the strait of Hormuz, and eventually charge fees for transit and to punish Trump. This is leverage that they will never willingly give up.

The longer this goes on, the more we will run down our reserves of oil and refined products. Oil is back to $80 and going higher. Crack spreads have risen to $70, so a barrel of gasoline or diesel are now $150.

Thank goodness that China is allowing their teapots to export refined products again. Otherwise, we would soon face severe fuel shortages, as Middle East and Russian refiners are badly hobbled at the moment.

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
19 days ago
Reply to  PapaDave

The United States and Israel will not hesitate to go nuclear if that is what it takes to destroy Iran…no, the world will not do jack.

Quatloo
Quatloo
19 days ago
Reply to  Feral Finster

I’m sure Iran is working hard to acquire nuclear weapons, so they can join the MAD club

PapaDave
PapaDave
19 days ago
Reply to  Quatloo

Agree. If Iran got hit with a nuke, you can guarantee they will acquire nukes from someone and make sure both Israel and US get hit as well eventually.

Jojo
Jojo
18 days ago
Reply to  PapaDave

If we nuke Iran, there won’t be anything left. The Regime will be gone and the remaining Iranian people will, if they are smart, put another government in charge. That is assuming we don’t roll in and impose the government WE WANT on them afterwards.

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
18 days ago
Reply to  Quatloo

Iran was foolish not to have already done so.

Force is the only language that the Americans and Israelis understand.

PapaDave
PapaDave
19 days ago
Reply to  Feral Finster

Nuclear. I doubt it. That would guarantee nukes on the US and Israel sometime in the near future. Suicide idea.

radar
radar
19 days ago
Reply to  Feral Finster

I fear you could be right as Trump would probably do anything to not look like a loser if the world’s economy starts to crater due to the war he started. He even hinted at this not long ago with his ‘A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again’ comment. And just as Trump didn’t foresee what Iran was capable of, he won’t foresee their ability to retaliate.

Tenacious D
Tenacious D
19 days ago
Reply to  PapaDave

“and eventually charge fees for transit and to punish Trump.”

There is also the practical need for Iran to rebuild everything the US and Israel have destroyed.

Jojo
Jojo
18 days ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Whine, whine whine. YOu should change your post name to Papa Downer.

MMchenry, CFA
MMchenry, CFA
19 days ago

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HNh83B0XsAAuK3w?format=jpg&name=small

With this (already) rising war escalation it needs to be pointed out, and reminded to the people. that THIS MORON EXCUSE FOR A “PRESIDENT” JUST HELD A NATIONAL ADDRESS TWO DAYS AGO AND DID NOT EVEN TALK ABOUT THE WAR. FLAT INEXCUSABLE.

And, that he talked about a 6 yr old UNPROVEN lying election fantasy INSTEAD could hardly speak louder to what a nut job Trump is. UNHINGED!

Last edited 19 days ago by MMchenry, CFA
Rogerroger
Rogerroger
19 days ago

Its all gonna come to a head in November.
So is mitch alive. The odd thing is since he is out of the game the republicans dont have to worry about an out of step vote.
I would think the gov of Kentucky should at least set the election and force the republicans to prove it. .

Jojo
Jojo
18 days ago
Reply to  Rogerroger

You may want to think so but don’t forget that most elections in the US come down to the better of two bad choices.

If it is Dem Socialists against Pub neocons, the Socialist side ALWAYS loses.

peelo
peelo
19 days ago

Doubling down, again and again. Smell of victory, or our Suez moment. Meanwhile all sorts of insulting fabrication and noise. So much resource destruction and wastage, so many lives down the drain. For no sufficient reason.

I’m back robbyrob
I’m back robbyrob
19 days ago

Gunboat or showboat: Can the Navy truly sustain a long war with Iran? Trump has reimposed a blockade on the Strait of Hormuz, but to do so, the US will have to concentrate all its deployable ships in one place
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/navy-blockade-iran/

peelo
peelo
19 days ago

Xi and Putin, fortunately, seem to have other fish to fry right now. Interesting that North Korea has been so quiet. I would think that this might be a great moment to test Trump’s attention span.
The Russian TV I watch, between bouts of apocalyptic hyperventilating, is hand-waving about building unity with China, and even Iran. But it seems pretty empty. Xi has all kinds of restraint and patience, that his superpower counterparts lack.

I’m back robbyrob
I’m back robbyrob
19 days ago
Reply to  peelo
Jojo
Jojo
18 days ago

That’s ripe! the UK telling the USA about military readiness and strength??? 🤣

Jeff D
Jeff D
19 days ago
Reply to  peelo

Never intervene when your enemy is destroying itself.

Daniel Holzer
Daniel Holzer
19 days ago

If the GOP had even the smallest modicum of self-respect, they would rein in at least the worst of Trump’s impulses. No one likes Pete Hegseth, impeach and convict him for his war crimes.

I’m back robbyrob
I’m back robbyrob
19 days ago
Reply to  Daniel Holzer

Hegseth says military will test service members’ testosterone levels
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFvxB5OZrII

Frank
Frank
18 days ago

LOL! Read that earlier.

certi
certi
19 days ago
Reply to  Daniel Holzer

They don’t get their money, support or interests from the American people.

That’s the problem. They get it from Israel.

Until that is addressed in a permanent way, without apology, voting isn’t going to matter. To paraphrase Mark Twain, that’s was always the goal–to make voting irrelevant.

Jojo
Jojo
18 days ago
Reply to  certi

What a STUPID statement! You truly are a dumb person. Permission to post here is hereby revoked.

Tenacious D
Tenacious D
19 days ago
Reply to  Daniel Holzer

Hegsdeath is going to have the privilege of looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life wondering if he is being surveilled by assassins. He’ll definitely need security after he returns to the private sector. He’s earned it.

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