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Where Does China’s Benevolent Neutrality Towards Ukraine and Russia Lead?

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Biden Again Threatens China

The Wall Street Journal reports Biden, Xi Talk as U.S. Threatens Actions if China Backs Russia in Ukraine War

During a nearly two-hour-long videoconference, Mr. Xi sought to present China as a peacemaker. “The Ukraine crisis is something we don’t want to see,” he told Mr. Biden, according to China’s official Xinhua News Agency. “Conflict and confrontation are not in the interests of anyone.”

“The Biden-Xi call could be a tipping point for U.S.-China relations,” said Neil Thomas, an analyst at Eurasia Group, a political-risk consulting firm. If the two sides find common ground on Ukraine, he said, then it could stabilize tensions.

“But if Biden gets nothing from Xi, or if there are diplomatic fireworks, then the call could herald a new low in modern U.S.-China relations,” said Mr. Thomas.

China’s Response 

Bragging Rights

That response pre-dated the meeting between Biden and Xi, but undeniably set the tone.

And if there was anything Biden could brag about, Biden would be bragging already.  

Right as I was in the middle of typing that last sentence, came this Financial Times headline “Xi warns Biden against ‘sweeping and indiscriminate sanctions’ over Ukraine war“

A live briefing starts shortly. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-iskuI-oHA

Both sides will likely report a “constructive” or “somewhat constructive” meeting but the FT headline tells the true story.

China the Big Winner

This affirms my March 8 post US Sanction Policy Drives China Into Russia’s Loving Arms.

China is the big winner and it will not risk that to appease Biden.

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Columbo
Columbo
4 years ago
Where is this going? Nowhere, China is going to sit and wait it out. They will continue to publicly promote a peaceful resolution.
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SAKMAN1
SAKMAN1
4 years ago
I read these statemenrs from the Chinese spokesperson. . . and I cant reconcile those with the FACT that every intelligent chinese immigrant I have EVER spoken to talks about the ENDLESS lies they were taught while living in China. The electronic and information controls that are in place are the only thing that can hold socialist countries in place. Otherwise there would be massive social unrest or killings of anyone with an IQ over 110 that wasnt aligned with the party.
That type of informatiin control is WHAT CREATED THE WAR IN THE UKRAINE. . .  and sadly WW2.
Dont blame the US for working endlessly to topple regimes who only allow one narrarive to exist. . . the narrative of the dictator or the oligarchs that control the party.
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RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Reply to  SAKMAN1
The New York Times is the “paper of record.” Has been for a long time. It has been the newspaper of official narrative in the U.S.
I have seen a few compilation videos of various TV stations coverage of a particular news story. They were almost verbatim, identical.
Denninger was recently talking about how Walter Cronkite, “the most trusted man in America,” lied about the situation in Vietnam, when he came out against the war. Everything seen on the news is a narrative. The managing editor decides what gets on the air or in the newspaper. Deception is not just about lies, but also suppression of contradictory facts.
KTLA “news” ran a story last night, saying a study on Ivermectin said it was no better than placebo. There are some 80 studies that say otherwise. It is obvious to me that the study KTLA spoke of, was rigged to fail or outright fraudulent. KTLA is obviously being a shill for Big Pharma. After all, they do run a number of Big Pharma ads. Conflict of interest, to the detriment of public health.
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Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  SAKMAN1
When I see the quote about peace and security, China sounds more like Putin. They aren’t concerned with freedom or liberty. China has already chosen. I find it ironic this blog wouldn’t even show up in Russia or China but it clearly supports their positions and doesn’t give a damn about liberty or freedom. 
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Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
4 years ago
Reply to  Casual_Observer2020
“When I see the quote about peace and security, China sounds more like Putin.”
Who does this guy sound like regarding peace and security?
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FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  SAKMAN1
Sure , whatever , how gullible !  What exactly has the fn US of A done for the fn world , apart from taking care of itself?!  The cycle has come to an end….DEAL WITH IT ….printing even more dollars won t save your behinds no longer…..and I got plenty of them $…. so I know I am screwed but I am always willing to die for a good cause, the present situation is NOT sustainable, no matter what….it started way before the artificially created Covid hype….it will only get worse, you can bet your butt on it  ! 
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SAKMAN1
SAKMAN1
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Post WW1 and WW2 the US ushered in a period of nation creation for various peoples of the world, and then helped to localize instead of globalize warfare, and maintain the stability of international borders for a very long time. The US aimed at “Peace”, as best as we can get with all of the aggression that the human race is capable of.
With the decline of the West, you will see what a world looks like without that stability that the US helped to bring. 
You will say that the US is a warmonger, but you have NO POINT OF REFERENCE. If what you hope for comes to pass you will gain a new point of reference and you will realize the error of your ways. Either that or you enjoy the pain of others.
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Dr. Odyssey
Dr. Odyssey
4 years ago
Reply to  SAKMAN1
“You will say that the US is a warmonger, but you have NO POINT OF REFERENCE.”
Here is a point of reference for you:
General Wesley Clark interviewed on the program Democracy NOW! in March 2007 “We’re going to take-out 7 countries in 5 years.”
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FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  Dr. Odyssey
Wow what a passionate, eloquently speaking woman ….everyone should watch this video!
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SAKMAN1
SAKMAN1
4 years ago
Reply to  Dr. Odyssey
Please name 7 countries where borders changed as a result of that statement. You cant.
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Dr. Odyssey
Dr. Odyssey
4 years ago
Reply to  SAKMAN1
“Don’t blame the US for working endlessly to topple regimes who only allow one narrarive to exist.”
The point from General Clark is about the US meddling in other countries affairs.
Not moving borders.
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FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
….and compared with Maidan, Tiannamen square might turn out far too big to orchestrate a coup in China and install a US puppet, is it not? ….So, now what ? 
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FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
The ultimate culprit of the Ukraine crisis wants China to collaborate….LOL …No way José ! Common sense does not seem to come from the West these days, if it ever did in recent decades anyway, despite all utterly desperate western propaganda….and the US keeps on watching from the other side of the pond adding more fuel to the already very high flames …..and money to puppet Zelensky’s bankaccount of course…..Bas tards !  
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SAKMAN1
SAKMAN1
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Historically speaking, every major country in the world is an aggressive expansionist. That is why they are “major”.
Why would the US structure its policy and economics, etc to weaken dictators and one party countries? Ukraine is one great example. This has only happened because the US appears weak. Russia is an aggessive expansionist. . .should be no surprise. It also brainwashes its population, like China.
Dont like the “West”? Give your children to Russia and then talk to them when they are 20. They will like the “West” much less than you and probably wont like you either. They will be in line with the single narrative.
The US is not the problem, its strength over the last 75 year is what has resulted in stability. Now you will see chaos because the aggressive expansionism seems to be on the rise globally, because the policeman is worrying about social/economic issues at home because its economic policies NEEDED to allow for power aggregation to compete with the power aggregation of dictators and single party systems. Go figure. . . The difference is that in the US we can read ALL of the news. Not a problem in Russia or China. You seriously think the “West” is the problem?
We will all need luck if this keeps up.
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RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Reply to  SAKMAN1
Klaus Schwab, in western Europe, head of the WEF, says you will own nothing and be happy. Build Back Better is his slogan. U.S. president Biden uses Schwab’s slogan. We just saw what Schwab’s “Young Leader” Trudeau, did during the truckers protest. Not at all democratic and liberty minded. More like something China would do. Trudeau also uses Schwab’s slogan.
In the U.S. we can’t read what Twitter or Facebook or Youtube blocks for political purposes. There was a vaccine injury group on Facebook, with over 100,000 members. Facebook removed it. I can’t read comments by Dr. Malone on Twitter, any more, as he was permanently blocked. Democrats want even more internet censorship.
The narrative on Hunter Biden’s laptop was that it was Russian disinfo. Turns out that the info was legitimate. The New York Times finally admitted to it.
Covid autocracy. Spent two years under it in California. If i would have gotten Covid, all i ever likely needed was early medical treatment,  but it was generally obstructed by top down, public health agency authoritarianism. Doctors have not been allowed to practice medicine. Even Dr. Malone had his license threatened. The system is under regulatory capture by Big Pharma.
I read about a Chinese woman who grew up under communism, and she said what is happening here now, with woke ideology, is becoming very much like what she lived under in China.
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SAKMAN1
SAKMAN1
4 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Facebook, Twitter, and Youtube are few of many sources of information.
In China you go to jail for talking against the narrative publicly.
Big difference.
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FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  SAKMAN1
the ‘Great Democratic  West’ sonny, is fn OVER sonny, in case you haven t noticed yet ….I’d say take off your blinkers sonny….  Democracy has merely become a woke joke, a unsustainable one on top of that, PURE HYPOCRISY !
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SAKMAN1
SAKMAN1
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Sadly, you are probably correct. Do not think that the alternatives will be any better. If what you say comes to pass in our life times, neither of us should be excited to experience the uncertainty and pain that comes with a change of this magnitude.
You seem to be a cheerleader for pain. Karma sonny.
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Dr. Odyssey
Dr. Odyssey
4 years ago
Reply to  SAKMAN1
“You seriously think the “West” is the problem?”
Could the west be part of the problem I ask?
American journalist’s warning – We are lying about Ukraine on an epic scale:
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Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
4 years ago
Two of several rules of political calculus:
1.) No government acts out of benevolence.
2.) All governments act out of benefit.
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Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
China Wins a Little, Loses a Lot From Russia’s War on Ukraine
COMMENTARY
By Charles Lipson – RCP Contributor
March 16, 2022
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FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
propaganda
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Dutoit
Dutoit
4 years ago
Would the western countries remain stable if a global economic collapse begins ?
Here in France we have hundreds of urban districts managed by drug dealers, how much of the country would the state really control if the economy really deteriorates ?
And in the whole EU, there would be probably millions of refugees from the south if starvation begins.
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Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
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ohno
ohno
4 years ago
Also, all this talk of delivering weapons to Ukraine exactly how?  Fly in to the nearest blown up airport? Waltz right into the nearest seaport crawling with Russian warships?  Seems to me that’s a disaster waiting to happen.
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whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
Reply to  ohno
The US wants to use Ukrainians as cannon fodder in a long and bloody insurgency against Russia.   So, Ukraine will only get small arms that can be transported across the border by trucks etc.      
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TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
100% spot on. The Ukrainian people are going to be massive losers in this war the longer it goes all courtesy of the West.
The war would have been over and the destruction and deaths would have been minimal had the West not sent arms, food etc to Ukraine to prop it up against Russia.
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FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
food and humanitarian aid in general would ve been ok !   Sending even more lethal weapons instead, is simply OUTRAGEOUS and CRIMINAL !!  American mfrs !
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William Janes
William Janes
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Please secure an appointment with a mental health specialist, you have all the appearance of someone unraveling mentally and emotionally.
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Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  ohno
It’s just drive over the border. 
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StukiMoi
StukiMoi
4 years ago
Reply to  ohno
Afghanistan had neither seaports nor functioning airports in the 80s. Yet Stingers made their way in….. And ultimately sped up ending the Soviet Union…..
From US military planners’ POV, feeding weapons to Ukrainian insurgents indefinitely, makes all the sense in the world. Ukraine is irrelevant to them anyway (like Afghanistan was), yet can serve as a major drag on a country which is decidedly not irrelevant wrt military capabilities. All gain, no pain.
What is far less certain, is whether it is in the interests of rank and file Ukranians to serve as pawns in the latest Pentagon vs Kremlin pissing contest. To spend the next few decades living like Afghan warriors in a bombed out Madmax world. If not, the question then becomes whether the Ukrainian “government” ultimately cares mostly for those rank and file Ukranians, or have instead become beholden to opportunistic outsiders, whose primary concerns are obviously very different, from that of the well being of Ukranians. 
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ohno
ohno
4 years ago
I’m really feeling bad for the Ukrainian people reading about the food situation etc.  Just terrible.  I’m not saying we should intervene just the thought of it all.  Talk about having your world turned upside down in no time.  Starving would have to be a really crappy way to go.  Not to mention getting bombed and shot at the same time.  From what I gather it seems a lot of this is the USA’s fault.  Entering the later part of my life I’m not seeing much good in a lot of things. Joy.
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Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
China is an export driven economy. Their biggest consumer is still the US but the US had hedged itself well by changing some supply chains accordingly. The reason China can’t say anything is because they share a border with Russia. It has little to do with economics and more to not piss off Putin. China and Russian also share a hate of Muslims in their countries. 
Additionally I never felt Biden was cozy with China anyway. Privately he felt the two biggest mistakes Obama made were trying to appease Russia and China too much and alluded to this as VP and while running. Unlike Obama there will be no moments of telling Putin that he will have mire flexibility the way Obama did.  The same applies with Xi.  In the end China will do what they always do which is keep buying treasuries and try to keep their mercantilist economy going. They are a subservient economy for multiple reasons but they don’t have the leverage or trust  they use to have prior to Covid-19. 
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Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Casual_Observer2020
XI is desiring a 3rd time, which will come up in the fall time frame.  Aligning himself with Russia is going to give his critics additional leverage against him.
I posted this a month ago but it is apropos now:
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Viral Anti-Xi Article Reveals CCP Infighting That May Derail His Bid for 3rd Term, Analysts Say
By Nicole Hao
Updated: February 14, 2022
An article criticizing Chinese leader Xi Jinping was allowed to go viral in mainland China, which analysts say reflects the intense struggle among different factions within the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and its effect on Xi’s authority.
While Xi amended the Party’s constitution successfully in 2018 to eliminate term limits, China experts have said he might not secure an unprecedented third term, a decision that will be revealed at the CCP’s Party Congress this fall.
“The 40,000-word article listed mistakes that Xi Jinping has made in politics, economy, and diplomacy. It’s a summary of Xi’s ruling over the past nine years,” Li Hengqing, a China expert at the Washington Institute for Information and Strategy, told the Chinese-language edition of The Epoch Times on Feb. 8.
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dmartin
dmartin
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
dude, the epoch times, is a anti-china falun gong controlled paper. I highly doubt the claim that this was allowed to go viral in China. China hates and halts all Falun gong publications and actively seeks to arrest Falun Gong members and considers them all a cult that worships a new Jesus Christ Messiah that actively seeks the destruction of the CCP.
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LM2022
LM2022
4 years ago
With the EU’s 447 million and the US’s 350 million, China can’t afford to piss the west off too much. Who are they going to sell their cheap crap to if not us?  As for Putin, it’s bunker time for him.  He looked crazier than a s#!thouse rat at his recent rally.   
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whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
Reply to  LM2022
150 million people in India (about 10% of the population) and 50 million in Russia (about a third of their population).   That is 200 million right there.
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Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
India and China are not on very good terms because of the border clashes so that leaves 50 million in Russia only. It’s a no-brainer.
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FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
yes but at one point the enemy of your enemy might become a friend ….ask the fn CIA !
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Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Are you saying that Russia and the US will unite against China?
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FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  LM2022
Brandon looks rather senile and Blinken warmonger’s eyes are Blinkin  too much like a fn psycho let s say….something will have to give at one point … Time to place your bets ….and don t forget , sometimes the underdog DOES win … at the expense of the planet this time , but who actually cares within a unlimited  universal context …..I don t …You ? 
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Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Biden’s call with Xi underscores deepening bilateral deadlock
Xi unyielding on Ukraine, continues to blame conflict on U.S.
Psaki: ‘China has to make a decision for themselves about where they want to stand’
By Phelim Kine
03/18/2022 05:22 PM EDT
President Joe Biden’s two-hour video call with China’s President Xi Jinping on Friday exposed a deepening divide between the leaders’ positions on both the Russian invasion of Ukraine and China’s claims to Taiwan.
Biden’s outreach failed to prod Xi to commit to leveraging Chinese influence to end Russia’s aggression in Ukraine or to even use the term “invasion.” The call instead provoked Xi’s implicit criticism of the alleged U.S. role in fomenting the crisis, perceived U.S. meddling in Taiwan and bitterness toward threatened U.S. sanctions against China if it aids Russia’s war effort.
That rancor suggests that the two leaders have exhausted any residual goodwill created by their virtual meeting in November and will likely reaffirm the Biden administration’s China policy that hinges on rallying allies to counter its influence in the Indo-Pacific and beyond.
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Mish
Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Thanks JoJo
As predicted in advance – It was pretty easy though
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Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Deepening divide ? As if there was no deep divide before. Biden is less trusting of China and Russia than his two predecessors. For good reason.
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Billy
Billy
4 years ago
Honestly, did you expect Biden to be able to handle this any better?
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Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Billy
Exactly. I think some people here on MishTalk like these autocratic dictatorships and didn’t learn anything from the past. 
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FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  Billy
printing dollars can t go on for ever ….so …WHAT is next ?  Nothin good , that s for fn sure !
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Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Millennials in past ages 
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Webej
Webej
4 years ago
1 Pic (by Chinese government) says more than 1000 words

 https://twitter.com/zlj517/status/1504599052868255744

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Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
4 years ago
Reply to  Webej
More specifically as to that map, you could eliminate all countries except the US. All other countries are puppets to the US. It is not hard to see that all other countries view this as another American war. The US leadership has gone all in and is driving the war.  The resistance to peace and a doubling down of the war lays at the hands of the US leadership.
1. The current US leaders have invested greatly in Ukraine leading up to the coup and the present and will not stand down.
2. It would now be a political nightmare for Biden after going all in the American/Ukraine war should a peace agreement happen. 
John Mearsheimers view on the war.
It will be interesting to watch the European response as this draws out as they bear the brunt of the sanctions and are already slowing down and shutting down some industries. The longer this drags out, the more likelihood of millions of refugees leaving the Ukraine. “F the EU” as Nuland has said is the American attitude to Europe. Im wondering what the line in the sand is for Europe in how long they are willing they are to continue as puppets of the US and grow a pair.
I agree with Mearsheimers view on that the US should be viewing Russia as a partner but whatever reason there is a great Russiaphobia in the US. Is that a Democratic led thing? I dont know?  Anything or anyone not going along with the Clinton narrative is a Russian asset as per Tulsi Gabbard.
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Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
4 years ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
Noteworthy Mearsheimer comments when he says at about the 29:00 mark in the link, EU is not much of a player, NATO is not much of a player, its the United States that is driving this train. Mearsheimer states that in 2008, at the Bucharest summit, France and Germany were adamantly opposed to Ukraine in NATO as they knew the repercussions. But it was the Americans who as always prevail and at the end of the Bucharest summit, a statement was issued that the Americans insisted that Ukraine and Georgia would become members of NATO. The French and Germans, they understood that this was a foolish thing to do but they failed to stand up to the Americans as is so often the case with the Europeans. 
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Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
4 years ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
I just add another view: Former top Pentagon advisor Col. Doug Macgregor on Russia-Ukraine war
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Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
4 years ago
Reply to  Maximus_Minimus
I would have to believe Col. Doug Macgregors assessment of what is actually going on in Ukraine is accurate in comparison to MSM. 
Also noteworthy Macgregor mentions blowback. As Ive stated before, decisions are being made with no thought as to consequences. 
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Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  Webej
Well done. The JA words are a very nice touch. The stock reply, repeated Twitter-like 11-tween times, is good, too. (A list of UN countries voting on Ukraine.) All those repeat tweets but none used a map. Sigh.
Question: Since we’re being realistic to the point of silliness, where is Taiwan? And, more foreboding, South Korea? They’ll go before Siberia, I’d guess.
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Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
4 years ago
…when Biden bars America from buying Chinese goods and tells them to buy their stuff from Europe…
(snicker, snicker, snicker)
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Jack
Jack
4 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
We should use Mexico as our local China. Cheap and hard working labour.
Raising the Mexican economy vs. Chinese economy would also bolster the southern border.
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whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
Reply to  Jack
Well, the outsourcing of American jobs to China took about 3 decades.   You can’t turn it around and channel it somewhere else just like that.   
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StukiMoi
StukiMoi
4 years ago
Reply to  Jack
China is already using Mexico as their local Mexico. They pay, though. And otherwise don’t meddle. People, Mexicans included, tend to like being paid. And not meddled with.
And, after decades of US administrations and fellow traveller clowns trying to “use” them for one thing or another, the Mexicans seem more than happy to be “used” by Chinese instead….
Heck, this being a Ukraine War thread: We’re not too far from the US being reduced to military saber rattling; over complaints about “unfair” Chinese “meddling” in “our” “sphere of influence down there……” (being able to pay, and providing decent amounts of capital to their Mexican workers rather than just using them as cheap labor, is unfair, you see….)   Of course, America’s class of reliably crass, loud, clueless, ahistorical and self righteous indoctrinati will then, on cue as told, cheer ad pump their fists for Dear Leader. They have been told their Dear Leader is bestester than all the other Dear Leaders, like Putin, after all. By The Man on TeeVee nonetheless!
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Mish
Mish
4 years ago
My favorite reporter question just came in.
Q: Is the White House confident of where Xi stands, doesn’t know, or doesn’t want to say?
Psaki: ducked the question
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Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Mish
The reason that is the answer is because we can’t trust whatever they say.  We’ve finally gotten to the place most sane Americans always believed. You can’t trust Russia or China. Neither should have gotten veto power on the UN and neither should have been accepted as global stage. Both hold values anti-thetical to nations that are free and tolerant of liberty.
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FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  Casual_Observer2020
….and Russia and China can trust the US ??  Really ?   L O L !  With hindsight we know , some of us anyway , that even fn Europe can NOT trust the fn US, so what are you on about !
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Mish
Mish
4 years ago
Psaki talking now – But the one word synopsis is
PUNT
Psaki is not answering any questions on Biden’s 2-hour call with Xi
This is really humorous – or pathetic – Take your choice
World class ducking of questions about China by Psaki 
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Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
4 years ago
“U.S. Threatens Actions if China Backs Russia in Ukraine War”
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Yeah, well, … what about Germany?
Still no embargo on Russian gas/oil.
When do we send in Patton’s Third Army?
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Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
The EU is filling their reservoirs to the brim in preparation for next winter. They should be a 40% on the gas now. When enough is in the ax then falls on Russia. 
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Jack
Jack
4 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Same as with blind eye to India.
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EGW
EGW
4 years ago
China knows Biden is bluffing. He can’t put sanctions on China because they have the economic might to retaliate.
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Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
4 years ago
Reply to  EGW
Yes.  US in a bind here.  Couple that with weak leadership.  China will play the game of (publicly) straddling … for now.
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