In the previous article on reverse repos, it was stated that cash is a liability to a bank.
I’m trying to figure that out. Can someone explain?
Looking at the balance sheet of JPMorgan Chase bank on finance.yahoo.com, I see under assets Cash of 26.4 billion, “Cash And Due from Banks” of 714 billion.
I don’t see anything like “cash” under the Liabilities section.
I’m just repeating my question here since this is a more recent article.
Can someone explain how cash is a liability to a bank?
I have a request. I think it deserves a full posting. I am asking you because I have a lot of respect for your knowledge and your ability to communicate it cogently without requiring me to go to school over it.
You (and many others elsewhere) have said that Europe’s negative interest rates have undermined their banks. It’s a critical issue at this critical juncture. I am really interested in a mechanical explanation of how and why. I don’t doubt it, but I’d like to understand the logic and mechanics. Thanks much.
Christoball
1 year ago
I used to say that all money is borrowed into existence, but it is more accurate to say that all money is lent into existence. If banks stopped lending and everyone paid off their loans, eventually there would be no money left. Even though there are individual banks, the banking system acts as one organism. Someones loan money from the sale and purchase of a house or car is often deposited in a different bank by the counter-party. My guess is that monetary incentive promotions for depositing money in a new account with a new bank are efforts to secure future loans as a know percentage of probable new loan applicants. Also new depositors reinforce the myths of banking lending out deposits. It makes me wonder if “It’s a Wonderful Life” was a sophisticated Psyche Op for future mass hypnosis.
TheWindowCleaner
1 year ago
Too much free money for the banks and not enough to the individual and hence to businesses. That’s what the current monopoly paradigm of Debt Only forces on us…as I have been posting here since forever. And the way to get more purchasing power to the individual and businesses is to implement a 50% discount for virtually everything at retail sale and then rebate every cent of that back to the retailer giving it to the consumer. This macro-economically not only ends inflation it effects beneficial price and asset deflation. In other words its the libertarian’s wet dream of deflation…without the pain. Yeah, you can come back with all of the typical objections to this that are simply orthodoxies that the new monetary paradigm has made irrelevant and no longer true, not understand the further enabling the numerous tax cuts for those who opt into the benefits of the new paradigm and tax punishments for those who foolishly try to game the new paradigm or just refuse to look at it….but if you want what you believed was impossible to be the new reality you’ll open your mind. link to amazon.com
Government policy should facilitate trade not aid. Aid to banks, is the closest thing that can be done to stimulate trade. Aid to businesses and individuals creates dependency and paternalism. Stimulate trade or do nothing.
What has happened is we have stimulated too much trade without improvements in productivity. The perfect example of this is crypto. It does nothing, and we have stimulated so much trade that even things that do nothing are being traded.
Doubling everyone’s purchasing power while implementing beneficial price and asset deflation is not aiding trade???
worleyeoe
1 year ago
Mish,
If the Fed is handing out $80B in free money every year, how on God’s green earth are people spending, on average, $712 per month in car payments, per the most recent reports? This was a joke, of course.
$80B is 29% of the $280B in profits banks posted in 2021. I just don’t get, though, how temporarily selling treasuries & MBS to banks for short periods allows the Fed to keep the FFR in its target range?
In the QT based environment that we’re in, the Fed is doing its best to “magically” remove money from the system. But all this excess money seems so unproductive, especially if its primary source is money market funds. How does taking unproductive money, again temporarily overnight, really solve anything?
And finally, is it reasonable to assume that this $80B in free money paid back by repurchasing the treasuries & MBS at a slightly increased price reduces short-term yields? Have I adequately described the causal effect of reverse repos on the FFR?
“$80B is 29% of the $280B in profits banks posted in 2021. I just don’t get, though, how temporarily selling treasuries & MBS to banks for short periods allows the Fed to keep the FFR in its target range?”
Deposits are liabilities of banks. As silly as it sounds and I do think this is silly, banks have to maintain capital on these deposit liabilities.
At any rate, banks will act to get rid of this excess cash “reserves” (a perverse term IMO), and they do that by buying any short term asset they can, typically short dated treasuries. When the Fed had interest rates near zero, competition for short-term treasuries was so intense, it was driving the overnight rate below zero. Not only did this force rates below the Fed’s target rate, it also put them in negative territory, and nearly broke every money market fund unless the funds started charging interest on deposits!
In response, the Fed started offering nonbanks access to the repo facility whereas before it was only to banks and market-makers like Goldman Sachs.
Bernanke understood this would happen and lobbied Congress for the right to do this and Congress obliged.
Rather than get rid of enough of these damn “excess reserves” (a term no longer used probably because it points a finger at the Fed) the Fed does Reverse Repos and pay interest on reserves.
The Fed needs to do this to force UP rates at the low end of the curve because the impact of QE is to force rates lower.
That’s what competition for short-term treasuries has done to the market. “The system is functioning as designed” stated the Fed. And you saw me mocking that design in my previous. post.
What the Fed should do is drain all this damn QE as fast as it can. Instead it is dragging the process out for years.
If Salmo wants to chime in on this, I would appreciate it.
The RRPs revert the following day or so, but are these offered daily? If they are offered regularly but not daily, the annual interest could be less than $80B.
The obvious question is how would the Fed rapidly drain the QE? Accelerate its runoff immediately to say $150B in treasuries a month + MBS? Should it start selling them outright? I’ve read that the Fed is very unlikely to start selling treasuries & MBS any time soon. Assuming if they did though, I guess the banks and non-banks would offer a discounted price, since the average yield of these securities is below the current market’s yields. As such, the Fed would have to sell them at a lower price to increase the yield. And I assume the big negative from this is that the Fed would then start to lose money as opposed to monetizing it with “in the black” remittances back to the Treasury.
And if I’m generally in the ballpark on this one, then this is the big honking question as it relates to RRPO:
Since RRPO are short-term transaction, would the Fed selling preclude banks and non-banks from using money market funds deposits, which as you say are a liability? In other words, the average Joe like myself with a Fidelity Money Market account (a big consumer of RRPO) probably doesn’t want my money tied up in treasuries to Fidelity’s benefit and not mine. I want it sitting in my account.
Instead of these daily RRPs the fed can do $2 trillion all at once, permanently, and it should.
Thus, coupon passes are easily reversible.
Understand what happens on the swap.
The Fed takes back cash and gives the banks or nonbanks their securities back.
This acts to force up short term rates. But that is the goal of RRP given the Fed artificially created a huge supply of reserves (cash) with everyone looking for a place to park it (driving down short term yields below where the Fed wants them to be)
If this sounds convoluted it’s because it is. But as noted “The system is working as designed”
The Fed fears doing this big bang and I don’t get it other than they have never tried it before.
Here is the origin of “working as designed”
Down the Rabbit Hole in Reverse Repos, What is the Fed Doing?
Yes, the banks can outbid the nonbanks for collateral and loan funds in the short end of the market. Bernanke introduced the payment of
interest on interbank demand deposits (at a level higher than the general level
of short-term interest rates – which was illegal per the FRSSA of 2006). The banks are in competition with the nonbanks, but not the other way around.
The DIDMCA was a
monumental mistake. It caused the Savings and Loan Association crisis (as
predicted in May 1980) and the July 1990-Mar 1991 recession.
WSJ: “In a
letter of March 15, 1981, Willis Alexander of the American Bankers Association
claims that: ‘Depository Institutions have lost an estimated $100b in potential
consumer deposits alone to the unregulated money market mutual funds.’
As any
unbiased banker should know, all the money taken in by the money funds goes
right back into the banks, in the form of CDs or bankers acceptances or other
money market instruments; there is no net loss of deposits to the banking
system. Complete deregulation of interest rates would simply allow a further
escalation of rates by the banks, all of which compete against each other for
the same total of deposits.”
Written by Louis
Stone whom the movie “Wall Street” was dedicated to – Vice President
Shearson/American Express
TexasTim65
1 year ago
Mish, where is the other 84 trillion dollars (90-6)?
Regardless of how that 90 trillion in credit money came about (banks, credit card companies, loans etc) it should be *somewhere* that it can be measured. For example if you get a loan of a million to buy a house the bank issues 1 million in new money and you have a 1 million loan etc. You said that million gets deposited ‘somewhere’ so where is that somewhere? Shouldn’t all 90 trillion be back in banks somewhere?
Clearly it’s not in base money (bank reserves etc) and no way does the US consumer have 84 trillion under their mattress and it can’t all be offshore either because other countries are doing similar things. So where is this massive amount of money?
When the loan is raised it goes into your bank account. Your bank’s balance sheet is your deposit as a liability and the loan as an asset. When you spend it the deposit is transferred to the house seller’s bank account, so there is still one loan and one liability.
Unless I’m mistaken the 90 trillion is all in the banking system as bank liabilities off-setting the bank assets being the outstanding debt.
If I get a 1 million loan for a house, I get 1 million in debt (the 90 trillion side). The home owner gets 1 million in his account (the 6 trillion side). So the money equals out. Even if he spends it in a lot of places, that 1 million is still in the system (it ends in other peoples accounts unless they put it under the mattress or in a foreign country).
So my question remains, where is the other 84 trillion dollars? My only guess is that the 84 trillion represents the theoretical amount repaid if all loans run to maturity (ie the total interest) which clearly they won’t (I borrow a few thousand a month on my credit cards but always repay at end of month so banks can imagine they are getting 10 years of repayments at X interest but they are in fact getting 0 interest. Also most mortgages won’t run to maturity either).
Maybe I’m misunderstanding you but I’m sorry I don’t know how else to explain it, maybe someone else can.
Have a look at a banks balance sheet as an example. On the asset side are the loans on the liability side are the deposits. Here’s a link to JP Morgan’s
The differentiating question ostensibly illustrating the
pseudo economic reasoning is: How is the growth of bank held savings explained
in the consolidated balance sheet of the Federal Reserve System?
The answer is that it cannot be explained – because monetary
savings, from the standpoint of the banking system, is a function of the
velocity or rate of turnover of deposits, it is not a function of volume.
The growth of bank held savings thus results in no
alteration in the “footings” of the consolidated balance sheet.
Interest-bearing deposit growth signifies a transfer from demand deposits
either in the same institutions, or a transfer within the system, a bottling-up
of existing money.
Salmo Trutta
1 year ago
In these days of the universal acceptance of the
Gurley-Shaw thesis nonsense, there are a few who realize that the commercial
banks are not conduits between savers and borrowers; who know that commercial
banks do not loan out time deposits, nor the “proceeds” of time-deposits, nor
or the owner’s equity, nor any liability item. The banks are not middlemen in
the lending process for either depositors or stockholders.
It is axiomatic that the demand and time
deposits in the commercial banks can only be invested by their owners, that
time-deposits, basically, are demand-deposits with zero velocity, and that as
long as any deposit, time or demand, has a zero velocity it quite obviously
isn’t, nor can’t, be used to finance investment.
In other words, if the public chooses to hold
savings in the commercial banks the funds are not being spent as long as they
are so held—and the funds are, for the time being, lost to investment.
So in essence savings are slowing the velocity of money and restricting spending. Somewhat of an anti-inflation tactic. Perhaps federal taxes perform the same function of removing money from circulation to prevent use of money. The big question is do federal tax dollars actually disappear into accounting heaven, and never actually get spent.
Salmo Trutta
1 year ago
The drive by the commercial bankers, as perpetrated by the
ABA (the most powerful U.S. oligarch), to expand their savings accounts
(derivative deposits), has a totally irrational motivation, since it has meant,
from a system’s perspective, competing for the opportunity to pay higher and
higher interest rates on pre-existing core deposits in the payment’s system.
But it does profit a particular bank, to pioneer the
introduction of a new financial instrument, such as the negotiable CD in 1961 –
until their competitors catch up; and then all are losers.
The question is not whether net earnings on assets are
greater than the cost of the funding [sic] to the bank; the question is the
effect on the total profitability of the payment’s system. This is not a
zero-sum game. One bank’s gains is less than the losses sustained by other
banks. The whole (the forest), is not the sum of its parts (the trees), in the
money creating process.
Salmo Trutta
1 year ago
Including currency in the monetary base is stupid. An increase in the currency component is contractionary.
Salmo Trutta
1 year ago
Nobody gets it, certainly not the ABA. Deposits are the result of lending and not the other way around. Japan’s “lost decade” is the result of the impoundment and ensconcing of monetary savings (funds held beyond the income period in which received).
In the circular
flow of income, the Japanese save a higher percentage of their income, and they
keep more of their savings impounded in their banks. “Japanese households
have 52% of their money in currency & deposits, vs 35% for people in the
Eurozone and 14% for the US.” That destroys the velocity of circulation.
Both secular stagnation and stagflation were predicted in 1961. In May 1980 Dr. Leland Prichard, Ph.D. Economics, Chicago 1933, pontificated that:
“The Depository Institutions Monetary Control Act will have
a pronounced effect in reducing money velocity”.
As the 1959
economic syllogism posits:
#1) “Savings
require prompt utilization if the circuit flow of funds is to be maintained and
deflationary effects avoided”…
#2) ”The growth of commercial bank-held time “savings” deposits shrinks
aggregate demand and therefore produces adverse effects on gDp”…
#3) ”The stoppage
in the flow of funds, which is an inexorable part of time-deposit banking,
would tend to have a longer-term debilitating effect on demands, particularly
the demands for capital goods” (CAPEX)
Yes, Summers is wrong. Economists don’t know a debit from a credit. Savings flowing through the nonbanks never leaves the payment’s system. All monetary savings originate in the banks. The source of interest-bearing deposits is other bank deposits.
Since time deposits (all monetary savings) originate within
the banking system [and there is a one-to-one relationship between time and
demand deposits. An increase in TDs depletes DDs by an equivalent amount],
there cannot be an “inflow” of time deposits and the growth of time deposits
cannot, per se, increase the size of the banking system.
Whether the public saves or dis-saves, chooses to hold their
savings in the commercial banks or to transfer them to non-banks will not per
se, alter the total assets or liabilities of the commercial banks nor alter the
forms of these assets and liabilities.
The drive by the commercial bankers, as perpetrated by the
American Bankers Association, to expand their savings accounts has a totally irrational motivation,
since it has meant, from a system’s perspective, competing for the opportunity
to pay higher and higher interest rates on pre-existing deposits in the
payment’s system. But it does profit a particular bank, to pioneer the
introduction of a new financial instrument, such as the negotiable CD – until
their competitors catch up; and then all are losers.
The question is not whether net earnings on assets are
greater than the cost of the CDs to the bank; the question is the effect on the
total profitability of the payment’s system. This is not a zero-sum game. One
bank’s gains is less than the losses sustained by other banks. The whole (the
forest), is not the sum of its parts (the trees), in the money creating
process.
Maximus_Minimus
1 year ago
“You are creating new money. Lending creates money out of nothing, and that money is deposited somewhere, creating deposits.”
If banks aren’t lending my bank accounts, term deposits etc, then how does my money at the bank make it into a loan, or reserve?
I know for sure it isn’t sitting there while paying interest (or not).
In the days of yore, the bank couldn’t lend gold before it collected some.
“If banks aren’t lending my bank accounts, term deposits etc., then how does my money at the bank make it into a loan?”
It doesn’t!
Deposits are a liability.
The only reason some banks actively seek deposits is they can park them at the Fed for higher rates than they are paying. The big banks have so much QE they don’t even bother trying to attract small depositors. Small peon deposits are more of a nuisance.
Smaller lenders also hope that the deposit customers become borrowers at some point.
Are bank accounts almost like retail goods sold at Big Chain Pharmacy Stores to make customers unaware of how much is going out the back door with Prescription sales????
Mish, Are we headed for a deflationary recession or an inflationary recession? Or maybe both? Maybe asset prices decline in value while food, gas, commodities remain elevated?
We will have another round of asset deflation, in fact, it’s started. Whether that leads to CPI-measured inflation is another question. But if you properly throw housing into the equation it sure seems likely.
HippyDippy
1 year ago
My question isn’t about the made up money the Fed has, but when will we walk away from the central banks? It’s the only real solution to our economic mess.
It’s starting. Within the next 20 years the 60 year interest rate cycle is expected to top. So even if the the Fed had not created bubbles, natural market forces will make the 2% annual inflation target impossible to maintain. People are getting wiser, especially with each bubble and financial crisis occurring more frequently and severely.
Rbm
1 year ago
Haha they must have more money than they know what to do with. Us bank just charged me a 5 dollar fee( dormant acct) while paying something like 10 cents in interest. Mean while wells fargo is starting to charge 25 bucks a month if you dont have 10 grand in your accounts with them. Sounds like 2008 all over again.
interest on interbank demand deposits (at a level higher than the general level
of short-term interest rates – which was illegal per the FRSSA of 2006). The banks are in competition with the nonbanks, but not the other way around.
The DIDMCA was a
monumental mistake. It caused the Savings and Loan Association crisis (as
predicted in May 1980) and the July 1990-Mar 1991 recession.
WSJ: “In a
letter of March 15, 1981, Willis Alexander of the American Bankers Association
claims that: ‘Depository Institutions have lost an estimated $100b in potential
consumer deposits alone to the unregulated money market mutual funds.’
unbiased banker should know, all the money taken in by the money funds goes
right back into the banks, in the form of CDs or bankers acceptances or other
money market instruments; there is no net loss of deposits to the banking
system. Complete deregulation of interest rates would simply allow a further
escalation of rates by the banks, all of which compete against each other for
the same total of deposits.”
Written by Louis
Stone whom the movie “Wall Street” was dedicated to – Vice President
Shearson/American Express
The differentiating question ostensibly illustrating the
pseudo economic reasoning is: How is the growth of bank held savings explained
in the consolidated balance sheet of the Federal Reserve System?
The answer is that it cannot be explained – because monetary
savings, from the standpoint of the banking system, is a function of the
velocity or rate of turnover of deposits, it is not a function of volume.
The growth of bank held savings thus results in no
alteration in the “footings” of the consolidated balance sheet.
Interest-bearing deposit growth signifies a transfer from demand deposits
either in the same institutions, or a transfer within the system, a bottling-up
of existing money.
In these days of the universal acceptance of the
Gurley-Shaw thesis nonsense, there are a few who realize that the commercial
banks are not conduits between savers and borrowers; who know that commercial
banks do not loan out time deposits, nor the “proceeds” of time-deposits, nor
or the owner’s equity, nor any liability item. The banks are not middlemen in
the lending process for either depositors or stockholders.
It is axiomatic that the demand and time
deposits in the commercial banks can only be invested by their owners, that
time-deposits, basically, are demand-deposits with zero velocity, and that as
long as any deposit, time or demand, has a zero velocity it quite obviously
isn’t, nor can’t, be used to finance investment.
In other words, if the public chooses to hold
savings in the commercial banks the funds are not being spent as long as they
are so held—and the funds are, for the time being, lost to investment.
The drive by the commercial bankers, as perpetrated by the
ABA (the most powerful U.S. oligarch), to expand their savings accounts
(derivative deposits), has a totally irrational motivation, since it has meant,
from a system’s perspective, competing for the opportunity to pay higher and
higher interest rates on pre-existing core deposits in the payment’s system.
But it does profit a particular bank, to pioneer the
introduction of a new financial instrument, such as the negotiable CD in 1961 –
until their competitors catch up; and then all are losers.
The question is not whether net earnings on assets are
greater than the cost of the funding [sic] to the bank; the question is the
effect on the total profitability of the payment’s system. This is not a
zero-sum game. One bank’s gains is less than the losses sustained by other
banks. The whole (the forest), is not the sum of its parts (the trees), in the
money creating process.
flow of income, the Japanese save a higher percentage of their income, and they
keep more of their savings impounded in their banks. “Japanese households
have 52% of their money in currency & deposits, vs 35% for people in the
Eurozone and 14% for the US.” That destroys the velocity of circulation.
“The Depository Institutions Monetary Control Act will have
a pronounced effect in reducing money velocity”.
economic syllogism posits:
require prompt utilization if the circuit flow of funds is to be maintained and
deflationary effects avoided”…
aggregate demand and therefore produces adverse effects on gDp”…
#3) ”The stoppage
in the flow of funds, which is an inexorable part of time-deposit banking,
would tend to have a longer-term debilitating effect on demands, particularly
the demands for capital goods” (CAPEX)
the banking system [and there is a one-to-one relationship between time and
demand deposits. An increase in TDs depletes DDs by an equivalent amount],
there cannot be an “inflow” of time deposits and the growth of time deposits
cannot, per se, increase the size of the banking system.
Whether the public saves or dis-saves, chooses to hold their
savings in the commercial banks or to transfer them to non-banks will not per
se, alter the total assets or liabilities of the commercial banks nor alter the
forms of these assets and liabilities.
American Bankers Association, to expand their savings accounts has a totally irrational motivation,
since it has meant, from a system’s perspective, competing for the opportunity
to pay higher and higher interest rates on pre-existing deposits in the
payment’s system. But it does profit a particular bank, to pioneer the
introduction of a new financial instrument, such as the negotiable CD – until
their competitors catch up; and then all are losers.
The question is not whether net earnings on assets are
greater than the cost of the CDs to the bank; the question is the effect on the
total profitability of the payment’s system. This is not a zero-sum game. One
bank’s gains is less than the losses sustained by other banks. The whole (the
forest), is not the sum of its parts (the trees), in the money creating
process.
Haha they must have more money than they know what to do with. Us bank just charged me a 5 dollar fee( dormant acct) while paying something like 10 cents in interest. Mean while wells fargo is starting to charge 25 bucks a month if you dont have 10 grand in your accounts with them. Sounds like 2008 all over again.
Yeah mine didnt either. Until they did.