Here’s a recap of recent news from the Gaza strip including key comments by Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi.
Headline Items Many Sources
- About 100,000 Protesters in Pro-Palestinian March in London: The protestors are calling for a ceasefire in Gaza and the provision of more humanitarian aid. Chanting “Free Palestine”, holding banners and waving Palestinian flags, the protesters moved through London.
- Two US Citizens released by Hamas, and are back in Israel. They are a mother-daughter from Illinois. Mish comment: I say welcome home but this is a propaganda move by Hamas
- A 20-truck convoy of aid enters Gaza. Mish Comment: 20 trucks for over a million people is woefully insufficient.
- Tiny quantities of water: The United Nations Children’s Fund said the agency supplied some 44,000 bottles of water to Gaza, enough for 22,000 people for one day.
- The Gaza-Egypt border is shut again some humanitarian trucks are allowed to cross.
Biden Talks to the Released American Pair
London Protest
Protest October 14
License to Kill
Please note Palestinian prime minister tells CNN why he won’t condemn deadly October 7 Hamas attack
Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Mohammad Shtayyeh told CNN that he won’t condemn the Hamas attack that killed more than 1,000 people on October 7, saying, “support of Israel blindly is a license for killing.”
The prime minister called on a collective international effort led by the United Nations Security Council to end the war.
Egyptian President Says Solution Won’t Be at Egypt’s Expense
The Wall Street Journal reports Egypt’s Sisi Warns Against Gaza Exodus
Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi warned that the flight of people from Gaza would endanger Palestinians’ quest for their own state, and his country’s security.
“I want to reaffirm to the world, in clear and unambiguous terms, and in a sincere expression of the will of all Egyptian people, one by one, that the liquidation of the Palestinian cause, without a just solution, will not happen,” Sisi said in a speech to a summit of leaders from the Middle East and other parts of the world. “In any case, it will not happen at the expense of Egypt, ever.”
CNN has Live News Updates for those interested in the news.
Question of the Day
Seriously, does anyone see a solution workable to all sides?
Mish’s comment sections are dumber than Youtube’s.
“Seriously, does anyone see a solution workable to all sides?”
2 state, ’67 borders.
Plus: Israel paying 15%-of-GDP “rent” for the land they’re occupying. To be distributed directly, to a penny, to individual “Palestinian” heads-of-households. NOT to self proclaimed corruptocratic “leaders”, of Hamas/PA/Fatah/Proxy-Irana/blah-blah.
Isreal can afford it. Heck, the strictures so imposed will likely make for a better Israel, seeing as it will require a bit of a commitment/sacrifice in order to stay in what is effectively a gigantic intentional community in the first place. Rather than it decaying into the sort of last-ditch desert Antebellum; for the lowest dregs of jewry to fantasise about stealing themselves some land, while taking their inadequacies out on someone else even less fortunate than themselves; that Israel is now increasingly becoming.
The sheer poverty of “Palestinians”, means “the rent” will make up the vast majority of their income for generations into the future. Well beyond ay expired-by date for current “terrorist” organisations. The Palestinians may not end up particularly “liking” the industrious psychopath neighbours which have been doing reverse-Holocaust reenactments on them for 75 years. But at the same time, the direct benefits from having those guys there, will quickly become very obvious. Not the least in comparison to less lucky Arabs surrounding them. It will hence quickly become an arrangement very hard to walk away from, for all those spoiled by the windfall. Such spoiling happens fast: Getting used to a wealthier life takes very little time. While kicking a wealth habit once acquired, is much harder.
Do that, and it won’t be long before the new conflict down there, is between current “Palestinians” on one side, and millions of others from across the wider Arab world, who suddenly realise “I’m a Palestinian too.” Which, at least for Israelis, means they will successfully have set up a buffer of people fighting “for” them and the privilege of living next to them. It may come as a shock to the average little-man-talking-tough-Rah-Rah’ite: But making neighbours “dependent” on you, are a much surer way of living in peace with them, than coming up with an ever increasing list of harebrained excuses for why you “need” to be killing their kids and enslaving them will ever be.
The whole part of the Zionists paying for the land they decided to come in and occupy; as opposed to simply killing and expelling by force those who lived there before; was the original sin leading to the conflict in the first place. It shouldn’t come as a surprise that reversing that mistake, will be a necessary part of any real solution.
Hanging by a thread. I have been hearing that for the last thirty years. Still waiting.
Well, if I lived through a dictatorship imposed by a foreign country, it might take a lifetime to forget as well.
All solutions in the Middle East can only be temporary ones but temporary solutions are better than no solution at all. The two state solution is unworkable because we see with Hamas and Gaza, the Palestinian state would just be a larger terrorist state and that is unacceptable to Israel and the Arab states around. The only “solution” is the staus quo with a much reduced Hamas. After that we have to wait and hope that a miracle occurs. In the meantime the rapprochement between Israel and the other Arab states must continue because if there is a way out, that is it. As long as Iran plays the role of the Big Bad Wolf that rapprochement can continue. If Iran changes from bad to good then I don’t want to think Israel’s survival chances.
“As long as Iran plays the role of the Big Bad Wolf that rapprochement can continue. If Iran changes from bad to good then I don’t want to think Israel’s survival chances.”
As demonstrated with Ahmadinejad’s loss to a more western-friendly leader, atop the recent protests against the morality police, that’s changing, Iran’s theocracy hangs by the last of it’s Boomer era generation.
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Iran, Israel, and War in the Middle East
Afshon Ostovar
October 17, 2023
Hamas’ shocking infiltration of Israel is likely to be an inflection point in the Middle East. As Sept. 11, 2001, compelled a shift in America’s approach toward the region, so too are the barbaric violence of Oct. 7 and the war playing out now likely to force a recalibration of Israeli policy toward its enemies, and especially toward Iran. The Iranian-Israeli conflict is the least appreciated fault line in the Middle East. As I argue in my forthcoming book, Iran’s quest to topple the Israeli state is the cornerstone of its regional foreign policy and heavily influences Lebanese, Syrian, and Iraqi politics. It is an omnipresent factor in all of the regional conflicts Iran is party to, including in Yemen, and the dimension of its foreign policy with the greatest potential to spark a wider war. Although Israel has not blamed Iran for the attacks, the chances that Iran will somehow figure into Israel’s response at some point are high. In the interim, Iran will consider the deteriorating situation in Israel and the destruction in Gaza to be to its strategic benefit.
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https://warontherocks.com/2023/10/iran-israel-and-war-in-the-middle-east/
Mish asks “Seriously, does anyone see a solution workable to all sides?”
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All sides are almost never happy in any negotiation. The stronger side usually comes out ahead. I this case, that is Israel.
There will be a DMZ zone implemented all around Gaza, with zero passage for Gazans, leading to more isolation and compacting Gazans into a smaller space space.
Gazans need to reduce and control their birth rate. There isn’t any other country that is willing to take in Gazans. Egypt and Jordan don’t want them. The only way they survive now is on handouts. If those handouts stop, then al they have left is cannibalism.
Gazans are screwed any way you look at it. They will come away from the present brouhaha with less than what they had prior to Oct 7th. Actions have consequences.
I’m sure the actions of Israel against the innocent civilians in Gaza will have consequences too. Israel will rue the day it behave in such a barbaric way towards its neighbors. All the world is watching.
Israel is justified in the actions they have taken in response to the Hamas Oct 7th attack. There are few Gazan “innocents”.
A large percentage of Gaza residents who may not be direct members of the Hamas terrorist militia are dependent on Hamas for their access to apartments, jobs, food, cars, a monthly stipend and much more. Some have businesses that bring in new revenues some of which is funneled back to Hamas to continue their terror operations.
Due to the linkage between Gazans and Hamas, there are relatively few true “innocents” in Gaza. At the very least a large majority of Gazans are implicitly complicit in everything that Hamas does and has done, even if they are/were not directly involved in those actions and therefore deserve their fate.
Mish,
I have a serious proposal to this problem. The biggest obstacle to getting a solution is to separate US politicians from the money of the Israeli Lobby. The US is Israel’s enabler. Our unconditional support allows it to behave how it wants and thus it is arrogant and abusive to its neighbors. If it didn’t have the backing of the US, it would have to be more respectful of its neighbors and want to seek a negotiated settlement. Thus, I proposed a phase out of all our assistance to Israel. Israel is a foriegn country.
Its interests and our interests are not aligned.
Note, stopping the Israeli Lobby’s money to US politicians will be hard. JFK tried to do it and it is probably one of the things that got him killed ( people mistakenly think the CIA was in bed with the Italian mafia. It was actually the Jewish mafia and the relationship started during WW2 when the OSS asked Myers Lansky to guard the docks in New York. Note, Jack Ruby, Oswalds assassin, was Jack Rubenstein. JFK wanted the Israeli Lobby to register as a foriegn agent. JFK also tried to stop Israel from getting a nuclear bomb and wanted them to stop their work at Negev.)
JFK’s diary showed that he was a fan of Hitler. I’m not sure JFK always thought clearly. Thank Truman and Great Britain for this mess.
According to Israeli Defense minister, the plan after the military phase is to wash their hands of Gaza: no food, no water, no power provided by Israel and no employment within Israel. Curiously the military phase is supposed to end with “the creation of a new security regime within Gaza”. What does this imply? Israeli goons patrolling a desperate, starving people? It seems they are painting a future for the Palestinians that holds no hope. Thus, they are inviting the entire population of Gaza to join in to resist the coming IDF invasion.
Here is a snippet from a Pepe Ecobar column
“To top it all up, there’s the Pipelineistan angle – as in stealing Gaza gas.
At least 60% of the vast gas reserves discovered in 2000 along the Gaza-Israel coastline legally belong to Palestine.
A key consequence of the Final Solution applied to Gaza translates as sovereignty over the gas fields switched to Israel – in yet another massive trampling of international law.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMCC2ihCowg
Maybe if it were another network I might watch, but thanks.
How do we know this guy is from Hamas and not a Mossad plant? Sorry not buying it.
Alex, Fox thoroughly vet’s it’s info, I’m appalled that you’d question their sources.
I’m still reeling over the rigged voting machines, myself.
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The Americans released is good news for the short term market, but other variables are a bigger concern.
To best sum my own concern, where the Fed is raising rates to fight inflation, the spread between tech and the SMH has increased, as with energy prices.
We seem to have forgotten Trump’s “Trade wars are easy to win” spasm, that has had an obvious effect on SMH relative to even the frothy tech sector.
I’m hoping, beyond hope that the “It’s just transient” Fed realizes raising rates will not increase supply and that Congress/president start looking into ways to increase supply if they can’t undo the problems caused with Russia & China.
We need unicorns & rainbows from D.C. vs spastic childish debates over lifestyles and which books are appropriate. “It could happen” – Judy Tenuda
South América – VZ, has huge oil resources and their are dozens of countries that could supplant China’s cheap labor, not to mention a couple of hopeful immigrant workers being sent away at the southern border.
But yes, let’s have insultive arguments over “Woke” and who gets to be leader of the special club of cool kids in D.C. – That’ll work, I’m sure of it.
Rare Earth’s though, that’s a tough one, though one company has a huge chunk of that problem solved Google “Niron Magnetics”. Let’s not have Congress focus on bolstering companies like this, instead let’s obsess over Trans people who comprise less than0.01% the population.
Just sayin’
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Are we to believe that in all North America one can’t find rare Earth elements? I think it was just cheaper to buy them from China (like everything else) so we took the easy path. Developing a domestic source is just a matter of money and time.
“Are we to believe that in all North America one can’t find rare Earth elements?”
We can, but not in concentrations found in China, the cost to extract them in most soils is extreme by comparison, hence “rare” Earth.
Do yourself a favor, for this argument, just Google the company I mentioned, this debate loses much of it’s urgency once you read about them, if you bother reading, that is.
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Gosh Frilton, I just asked.
Only two groups are obsessed with trans people; the woke left and parents who want don’t their children to be exposed to trans propaganda in public schools.
“Only two groups are obsessed with trans people; …”
Yes, you’re right, let’s angrily debate who’s fault it is.
Just be sure to ignore the vast majority of what I said, just focus on that…there ya go, good boy!
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There will never be peace in the Middle East, the Israelis see the Palestinians as their slaves and the Palestinians aren’t having it. We should encourage the Palestinians to move to America to replace all the Jews moving to Israel. They could then form AAPAC American Arab Public Affairs Commitee…and bribe politicians too.
what an insane idea, bring in a bunch of terrorists who don’t assimilate and want to kill Americans, Jews etc. The Muslim nations don’t even want these folk, Civil war coming if your idea is even considered, No citizen wants them here, just like the illegal alien leeches of the left
Deport them all
CD. I agree with the first part of your statement. But I disagree with the rest. Those fruits, veggies and the processed meat that you eat are worked up by someone which it does not include your compadres…Are you willing to pick up or go to work for a meat factory? or prefer to seat at your couch and play a tick tock star.
“what an insane idea, bring in a bunch of terrorists who don’t assimilate …”
While I agree with this, I down voted you for the rest.
To be clear, middle eastern immigrants in my area drive me insane with their cultural differences, especially in business, they do business differently, they think contracts can be negotiated after signage/completion.
But generalized Hate speech based on racist “Muslim” or “left” assumptions, no, thanks.
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well no natives want you in their country. God love Europeans because I don’t. what’s. yours is mine and what’s mine is mine and plus I want more of yours.
Well maybe the reverse idea would be a solution then?
Send all Arabs from the USA to Israel, and get all Israelis to the USA.
All problems solved (maybe except for some religious crap ones).
I think Canada would be a better option. With the US tax dollars they are going to give Lockheed, Raytheon and Northrop Grumman, they could buy every Palestinian a house, 10 acres of land and several goats. Make Gaza a park and outlaw any Israeli settlements. Problem solved, wjthiut thermonuclear war.
I have a better idea Let’s make your property a park for the homeless to camp out in
You first
Canada doesn’t have housing for the people that are already there. I don’t think the Palestinians would thrive there.
Interesting proposal JW. You get an A+ for humor.
This is not a game. Lives will be lost. They have already let in enough terrorists to bring the USA down. Laugh now, cry later you hapless fool.
Captian Kirk,
Always over dramatic. Our problem is we protect everyone’s borders but our own. Biden is an idiot and a disaster. Take your wrath of Kahn out on him and the Israli Firsters.