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Exploring the Idea “There’s Never Been a Better Time to Borrow”

Here is a Tweet that caught my eye in a big way. 

Two Tweet Statements

  1. Real yields on junk debt going negative is way more insane than anything going on in random meme stocks or scamcoins, because of the absolutely enormous amounts of money involved.
  2. Also: There’s never ever been a better time to borrow money. Ever ever. Real yields on junk debt going negative is way more insane than anything going on in random meme stocks or scamcoins, because of the absolutely enormous amounts of money involved.

Real yield on junk debt going negative is indeed crazy. But point #2 needs a closer look.

Never a Better Time to Borrow? 

If it is indeed the best time ever to borrow, then how does one explain bank loans?

It seem to me that if there was never, ever a better time to borrow, then corporations would be doing more of it.

Those chart does not include many mortgages (banks got out of that business), nor does it include huge corporations able to access the bond market directly.

Instead, it does include small to midsize private corporations dependent on bank loans. 

They do not want to borrow because they see no productive use of money.

What About Mortgages?

Q: People are buying houses like mad, but is now really the best time to do so?
A: Certainly not! 

The best time to take out a mortgage was 2011-2012.

That chart is stale. I need to update it and also what real interests are based on accurately including housing.

FOMO and YOLO

Housing and speculation are all the Fed has. And part of housing is speculation including FOMO, fear of missing out. 

Zoomers prefer to call it YOLO. You only live once. On the YOLO theory, Dogecoin is a great buy. 

Perhaps Dogecoin goes to $5. If so, hooray. If it goes to zero, so what? It’s YOLO. There’s always something else to speculate in and make up losses.

Hello Bank, I Want Money for Dodgecoin!

So, Mr. Borrower what do you really want this money for? 

One of Two Things

  1. Banks are not happy with the answer to that question. 
  2. Alternatively, businesses have decided this is a poor time to borrow and are not even attempting to get loans.

If you are a corporation struggling to stay alive and have access to the junk bond market, then yes, you are in luck.

Otherwise, what the hell are you going to do with the money? 

It seems that rational behavior has either set in with banks on the lending side or would be borrowers on the other side of the same coin. 

Charts That Should Scare the Pants Off the Fed (And Probably Do)

I discussed bank lending in more detail in Charts That Should Scare the Pants Off the Fed (And Probably Do).

The Fed is desperate to stimulate lending and failed. The ECB failed as well. So has the Bank of Japan. 

All that remains is stimulus and speculation. But stimulus wears off quickly as noted in Impact of Three Rounds of Stimulus on Retail Spending Dollars in Pictures

That leads us to the proper conclusion as discussed at length in Inflation Then Bubble Bust Deflation: A Video With Daniel Lacalle

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Reptilicus
Reptilicus
5 years ago
If indeed there has never been a better time to borrow, is not the obverse also true – that there has never been a worse time to lend?
Chasing yield with junk bonds and other risky instruments endangers deployed capital without justifiable reward, no?
Doug78
Doug78
5 years ago
General rule:
The best to buy is when you have cash and nobody else does. The best time to sell is when you have no cash and everybody else is flush with cash. 
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
5 years ago
Those even buying real estate right now are going to come to regret it.  This lending environment feels somewhat like 2006 before the bottom fell out in 2007.
anoop
anoop
5 years ago
not at all, we are nowhere near ninjas.  calculatedrisk just did a piece.  
what is happening now with private equity buying up everything in sight is more akin to what was happening at the market bottom when they were scooping up reos and short sales.
so my guess is we are headed for high inflation.  house prices going much, much higher.
people will sell their house for profit because they cannot afford to fix it–maintenance will be too expensive because of inflation.
Karlmarx
Karlmarx
5 years ago
Funny thing is that the player with the best reason to borrow and invest in new plant and equipment was the federal government which could have invested in long term infrastructure development.  But that borrower just went and spent the money on champagne and cavier. 
anoop
anoop
5 years ago
leverage is the name of the game.  borrow money, invest in options, reap rewards.  otherwise, have fun staying poor.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
5 years ago
Reply to  anoop
There is a middle ground. You don’t have to have your eyes glued to the computer screen and can live a life and still do really well. 
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
5 years ago
Here’s an interesting op ed piece from Bloomberg that seems to be touting the benefits of renting v. buying a home. 
First, this is not particularly good thinking imho, from a wealth preservation standpoint,…..and I wonder who is really behind this kind of attempt to sell renting as an alternative? I wondered who the author was too….it’s this young conservative-rising-star economist.
So. with wealth inequality running rampant, and people who don’t own any assets at all being left behind forever, the solution is obviously to own even fewer assets and put your future housing costs into the hands of Blackrock.  And we wouldn’t;t want to lock in a mortgage at historically low rates.
Right. Pardon me if I see this article as some kind of spin
Doug78
Doug78
5 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
There is a new push to promote renting and might be signalling a market top. Blackrock moved into the residential real estate market after 2008 and consequently bought at great prices and could cherry-pick the best properties. Now they are buying after a big runup and paying above listed prices to boot. To top it off they are buying in larger quantities. They should be worried but they are not certainly because if there is a financial company that is “too big to fail” it would be Blackrock. Perhaps now we should consider ways to punish this behavior by letting them fail and even maybe provoking its failure. If and when it comes they might find that the rules have changed. 
Zardoz
Zardoz
5 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
I have a choice at this moment between spending 500k on a small, old house, or renting one for $1100/month.
If I buy my cash is gone, and I pay $500/month for taxes, and another $500/month (at least) for maintenance. 
On one side I have the risk that houses just get further out of reach of everyone, forever.
On the other I have the risk that the bubble busts like last time, and 1/3 of my cash goes poof.
Right now, I’m leaning toward renting for a couple years to save up more cash see what happens, and buying a jet ski to soothe my FOMO.  I’ve been noticing that at this point in history the acceptable, responsible option is quite often the incorrect option.  Things are not set up the way they are to benefit Joe American.
Meanwhile I’m trying to figure out how to make enough money to not have to worry about such petty foolishness.  Might just swing for the fences, and risk the 6-pack-and-a-bullet retirement most other people seem to be facing by playing by the established rules.
Doug78
Doug78
5 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Try moving to someplace where the prices are reasonable. 
Zardoz
Zardoz
5 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
I spent 20 years escaping Flyoverland.  I ain’t goin’ back.  I’m after outdoor beauty and activity, with a climate that doesn’t want to kill you 8 months out of the year.   Not surprisingly, these places tend to be expensive.
Been considering moving back east to Virginia or some such blighted place, but the inhabited areas are simultaneously depressing and scary.
Doug78
Doug78
5 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Then resign yourself to never owning where you live and paying rent to a landlord for the rest of your life. When you no longer can pay the rent you can move to Venice Beach; nice weather and beautiful outdoor beauty and activity at your tentstep. 
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
5 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
I’d rent if those are the choices. There are times when renting makes more sense. Small old houses (in a good market)  are great for people with remodeling skills….but if you don’t like sawdust and drywall, I’d take a pass.
You probably can guess what my advice is on the jetski.   🙂 …but I own one…and four boats. Do as I say, not as I do.
Zardoz
Zardoz
5 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
So which jet ski is the best?  I want one my wife can pull me on skis or a wakeboard, and one of those jetpack attachments.  If I play my cards right, this single purchase might make retirement irrelevant.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
5 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Most any jetski will pull a wakeboard or skis.  They’ve just gotten bigger and faster and now they’re all four stroke engines, like everything else. My jetski is ancient, small and a two stroke, and it will still pull a skier.
I bought mine back when I was trying to learn to kite surf….they’re great for that if you have two people and can trade out….one can board and one rescues and helps you relaunch your kite.
Zardoz
Zardoz
5 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
aaaand now I need a kiteboard too 🙂
KidHorn
KidHorn
5 years ago
Companies used to borrow at low interest to buy their stock. Reduce the float to jack up the price. The company would then IPO at the jacked up price. it was a win win for shareholders and the company. Who cares about fundamentals? Momentum is all that matters. Then covid came along and hammered the stock price. Scared the heck out of companies who could no longer do this. I think there’s some overhang from this. Companies don’t want a repeat of 2020.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
5 years ago
Here’s a genius strategy…..float a bunch of junk bonds and use the proceeds to buy bitcoin. What could possibly go wrong?
Doug78
Doug78
5 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
I wonder who would ever buy those convertible bonds but they managed to sell a billion worth. Looking at the terms they don’t look especially attractive either. 
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
5 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
If anybody wonders whether excess liquidity leads inevitably to malinvestment……this might be one good example.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
5 years ago
The dollar is making a dip this morning, and metals are bouncing. I think it’s too soon for the dollar to completely roll back over, so I just expect a volatile week, and I expect more downside in gold and silver. I’d be happy to be wrong about that.
The best explanation I can find for the dollar strength last week is that the ECB extended some extraordinary COVID measures to European banks that were due to expire. Why the dollar moved precisely on the Fed announcement is a matter of some curiosity to me, but I doubt that will be explained to anybody’s satisfaction.
ToInfinityandBeyond
ToInfinityandBeyond
5 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
The dollar was benefitting from the prospect of higher interest rates.
Esclaro
Esclaro
5 years ago
Yes. In 2023 so they say. It will never happen. Uncle Sam is the world’s biggest debtor and he can’t afford higher interest rates. He’s a bankrupt deadbeat and his cash is only good as a substitute for Charmin.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
5 years ago
In two years time? I don’t buy that explanation, frankly. I’ve seen it in print, but I remain unconvinced.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
5 years ago
Once again, my comment has gone to “moderation” over trying to edit a typo. They actually don’t ever seem to show back up when that happens.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
5 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Must ve been a nasty comment again !  We all know ye , don t we….
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
5 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
B*st*rds!!!!
Zardoz
Zardoz
5 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
I am deeply offended by your use of asterisks!
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
5 years ago
I bought a couple of houses in 2009…because I knew it was a great time to buy…..but most people don’t really time the market when they’re shopping for a house. Most people buy a house because their family is growing and they need  a house…..and they can see the benefit of owning vs, renting……but that calculus definitely depends on interest rates and payments…..and yes, price matters….but payment is more important than price. 
Many boomer-owned  small businesses took on long term debt (most of which was not productive in any way)  to survive COVID……they want to deleverage now. Retirement is just around the corner for many, including yours truly.
I am tackling my mortgages, making extra payments when I can on the one that’s almost paid off. I paid an extra $5K on my rural place last month to make up for a year of making only minimum payments. My tractor is almost paid off. The last thing I want is more business debt. My preferred debt level for the business is zero debt, although we have occasionally taken on loans of 50K or less for essential equipment over the past decade. Nothing big. I have a 150K EIDL from last year, and I don’t expect any forgiveness on that one. I won’t be happy until that’s gone, but I’m not going to make extra payments, because there is a possibility of forgiveness, based on history….and the coming defaults might lead to a change in rules.

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