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How Many People Went From ‘Never Trump’ to ‘Encore’?

I was discussing this topic with three friends yesterday. It’s now a WSJ opinion article, but not by me.

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From ‘Never Trump’ to ‘Encore’

In a Wall Street Journal op-ed, J.W. Verret, an associate professor at George Mason University’s Antonin Scalia Law School says In 2019 I wanted him impeached. Now I’ve become convinced that Biden is worse.

Please consider From ‘Never Trump’ to ‘Encore’

Like many voters in 2020, I hoped Joe Biden would govern reasonably from the center. Instead, his administration has sought the furthest reaches of leftist ideology. What were once fringe progressive talking points have become national policy. Even the military has been infected with a divisive and unyielding woke doctrine. The economic landscape has been equally distressing: inflation, coupled with a ballooning national debt and deficit. Four more years of this means a bleak future for my children.

My work in financial regulation and cryptocurrency has shown me the havoc wrought by policies seemingly chosen not to foster economic growth but to appease the likes of Elizabeth Warren, who has enjoyed outsize influence over Mr. Biden’s nominations. One nominee to run the leading banking regulator, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, was an open member of Marxist groups and called for the Federal Reserve to provide retail bank accounts. It took a few brave Democrats to stop her nomination.

Before, I didn’t embrace the rallying cry of “Build the wall.” Yet the crisis at our border compels me to acknowledge that Mr. Trump was right. The border situation underlines a broader reality—we need practical policies, not politically expedient ones. Mr. Trump doesn’t care about the niceties of political discourse, and that is an asset.

I find myself parting ways with the Never Trump faction. I respect its stance, which was born of conviction. Yet our situation demands a re-evaluation. We can continue down a path that has led to division and economic stagnation, or pivot to a future that, while imperfect, promises governance rooted in traditional American values, economic liberty and a judiciary cut from the same cloth as the gifted nominees confirmed to the Supreme Court under Mr. Trump.

Count me as a former Never Trumper. Given the coming election, the Never Trump position is naive. No third-party candidate can win and heal America. It’s time to pick a side, and Mr. Trump is the only alternative to Mr. Biden’s hyper-progressive vision for America. This isn’t a repudiation of my past convictions but an acknowledgment that the future we face demands difficult choices.

My Personal Comment

I said this to three friends yesterday:

I am voting Libertarian.
But if forced to pick between Trump and Biden, I would pick Trump. I detest Biden.

Right now, I think extreme dislike of Biden will be the deciding factor. People dislike Biden more than Trump.

That many not translate into a huge Trump vote. Instead, it might translate into election ambivalence and a small swing. But 2% can easily be enough.

Election Denialism

Hillary is one person more divisive that Trump.

If you want to check out election denialism, please check out Hillary.

James Rickards

Rickards is a death of the dollar doomster. But I just played his video Why Pollsters Have It Wrong For 2024 and it is a surprisingly good take without a lot of his normal world is ending, act now hype.

Like him of not, Rickards is a very good salesman and has a number of best selling books to prove it. I played the first 14 minutes or so, then just skipped around at random.

Key Election Ideas

  • Third party candidates like No Names, the Green Party, and Robert F. Kennedy will pull votes from Biden.
  • The Palestinians in Michigan won’t vote for Trump, but they may sit the election out.
  • Black males are increasingly turning to Trump. The numbers are not huge but even a 1% shift overall could turn the election from just this group alone.

I agree with Rickards on all three points. He says the third part candidates could garner 15 to 20 percent of the vote. I highly doubt that, but if so, it would be a landslide for Trump.

As little as 5 percent could produce a landslide if enough independents sick of Trump and Biden sit the election out.

2020 Election Flashback

On May 17, 2020 I wrote Those Who Hate Trump and Biden Will Decide the Election

“It’s a huge difference,” said Patrick Murray, who oversees the Monmouth poll. “That’s a group that if you don’t like either one of them, you will vote against the status quo. And in the 2016 election, Hillary Clinton represented more of the status quo than Trump did. In this current election, the status quo is Donald Trump.”

The exact same setup is in play today. The people who don’t like either Trump or Biden will again decide the election. This time with a different result if the election were held today.

The Devil We Had Is Better Than the Devil We Got

On November 23, 2023, I wrote The Devil We Had Is Better Than the Devil We Got

In the US, voters are increasingly likely to face a repeat election the public in general does not seem to want: Trump vs Biden.

As a Libertarian, I do not like either of them.

I am pleased to note that a Libertarian finally won somewhere. For discussion, please see Congratulations Argentina for Electing the World’s First Libertarian President

Returning to the choice at hand, Biden won the last election promising to be a healer and a moderate. Instead, he has turned into a radical Progressive/Green wet dream candidate.

Voters have a choice between the devil they know and the devil they know. Polls show voters don’t like the choice, but if forced to make a choice between the two, Trump would win. That is what happens when the party promises a moderate and delivers a radical Progressive nutcase.

 The devil we had is better than the devil we got.

That is what J.W. Verret, an associate professor at George Mason University’s Antonin Scalia Law School, decided.

It’s what I said last November, and what Rickards is discussing in his video.

It is only, January. Things can easily change. Biden may not even make it till November. Trump could be convicted. But as it sits right now, something dramatic needs to happen to switch from the current tracks.

Meanwhile, please consider A Friend Asks “What Happened to the No Labels Party?”

The short answer is No Labels has morphed into Anybody But Trump. That’s really a doomsday scenario for Democrats if they do field a strong Left candidate.

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coakl
coakl
2 years ago

Between now and November, it all comes down to whether Biden falls down the stairs (again), slurs so much no one understands, or becomes too ill to stand at the podium.
* If so, Dems will find someone else. And their media machinery will continue 24/7 attacks on Trump. The election will be close.

* If Biden makes it to election day as the Left’s candidate, Trump will destroy him.

Common Sense
Common Sense
2 years ago

Continuing to support the oligarchy by voting red or blue won’t solve this. Neither candidate is acceptable due to a two-party system that seems to winnow out the brains. How sad it is that our system can only provide us with a doddering old puppet who plays to the whims of out-of-touch progressives, and a self-absorbed narcissistic ass who is a compulsive liar with no respect for the U.S. Constitution. Personally, I’m voting for someone who thoroughly understands me…my dog.

Last edited 2 years ago by Common Sense
SURFAddict
SURFAddict
2 years ago

Incumbents hardly ever garner MORE votes during a re-election bid…but TRUMP did…that is the answer…those additional voters are “approving”, and / or likely shifted from not voting, to switching sides.

RODNEY BLAKESTAD
RODNEY BLAKESTAD
2 years ago

It is a shame that politics has become front and center of our society. It is a greater shame on US that the end-members of the political spectrums gain traction with the population.

I have had the honor of voting in 12 presidential elections and 24 House and Senate elections. About 24 years ago I decided to register as an Independent, because I did not vote along any single party line. Until the last four presidential elections, I voted for the person I believed to be the better candidate to move the country though then current matters important to me. Since then, I vote against the person whom I believe to be the worst person to run for an office!

I voted Trump into office in 2016; I voted Trump out of office in 2020. I have no problem making informed decisions, because I am a scientist, and scientists require quality information on a sustained basis. I can find no qualifying justification for voting for either candidate in 2024.

Notwithstanding, there can be only one way to vote because Trump is so pitiful of a person, so uneducated, lacks experience in governance, and is not a statesman. I could elaborate with many other bad attributes of the charlatan, but I need not – everybody knows.

Is this the model of a person that we want out children or our representatives to be? I think not.

Contrary to those that deride Biden’s economic agenda and the accomplishments of his tenure, all you have to do is look around to see the error in that line of attack. Life is good, but some say it is not. Sure, the US is headed into a box canyon with excess government spending – it cannot get out of that canyon in the direction it is going. What is the alternative in the short term? I see only one:

Work our way back to a balanced budget and begin the process of paying-down our debt.

This cannot be done in four years, or eight. The shock of taking a trillion dollars per year out of the economy by restricting that amount of government spending, and raising taxes to balance the expenditures, will cause a depression the likes of which have not been seen before. With depression come riots in the street, because people will be hungry and there will not be enough food to go around; our way of life will be turned up-side-down. Power outages, the lack of fuel, and other amenities that we take for granted, will not be available.

We are headed into a sorry mess. Trump will only exacerbate the problems and US will be targeted by extremists from home and abroad… and, Trump will have the nuclear football nearby… He cannot control himself, or his mouth; how can he control such a devastating responsibility that affect the world? – He can’t. If he is elected, we are doomed.

There is really only one choice.

Unfortunately, an Independent or a third-party candidate is not likely to win a presidential election. The Constitution calls for the House of Representatives to appoint a President if an election results in less than 50% of the vote for any candidate. I would hate to see the next President appointed by people like Gatz and Taylor-Green, or Omar and Ocasio-Cortez. Similarly to Trump, they do not know difference between a fact and a lie.

All we can do as citizens is be informed, and vote!

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
2 years ago

K. Harris for president by mid-term default.

Hank
Hank
2 years ago

1st Pres TO EVER step foot in north korea in an attempt to have a conversation where EVERY Pres before was too scared to even try. The net result is NK and Japanese heads met in a historic event to once again try where others failed or refused. Trump also ended 1 of the many Bush/Obama wars ended when he pulled the military mostly out of Syria. He also set the tone and playe to get out of Afghan so he gets FULL credit for ending 2 of the United States 6 or 7 wars…….. but he’s a “threat to be near the nuclear football.”

Do you even hear yourself? As a so called “scientist” data should mean something. Where previous Presidents made America in to a warmongering bully, THE DATA CLEARY proves Trump is anti war or at least the ONLY guy worthy of having the nuclear football in his control. The rest of the lies you vomited up are 100% bullshit and I am embarrassed for you. Scientist my ass. You IGNORE the data

Paul
Paul
2 years ago

We just watched so called informed scientists kill millions of people.
No War, Peace through strength, knowing we must print every second a roaring economy had the world at our feet or debt. Record employment, manufacturing, cheap energy, etc.victory victory victor. The only scientific evidence for not voting trump I can come up with is the vaccine and j6. No where to be found. I like Desantis over trump if that’s an option ..otherwise trump all the way. I took zero of the vaccine and that makes me happy..

CKim
CKim
2 years ago

Mish, your economic analysis is often useful. Your contrarian takes are often a panacea against group think in the popular media. However, as you can see from this thread, every time you inject politics into the page, the results are quite frankly horrific. I would respectfully suggest that you minimize the political post to keep the quality up. Thank you.

CzarChasm Reigns
CzarChasm Reigns
2 years ago

Pivotable Point: “It took a few brave Democrats to stop her nomination.”

Poignant Problem: there are no brave Republicans left standing to temper Trump.

The Republican Party is broken having put all of their eggs are in one basket case.

Last edited 2 years ago by CzarChasm Reigns
RODNEY BLAKESTAD
RODNEY BLAKESTAD
2 years ago

… in a rotten basket!

steve
steve
2 years ago

both B & T stink
that said the results in Iowa as well as NH possibly tell a similar but diff story-
T & B have biggest problems with “never_____” within their own parties- T “only’ got tad over 50% of Rep in NH -not gr8 # for “incumbent” – suspect same will happen when B is actually on ballot in states where Dems either won’t come out (or maybe vote Philips? lol) Opinion is this election is different in that majority of Dems don’t want B and majority of Rep don’t want T but due to system u get what u get so they will stay home or swallow their vomit and vote the perceived lesser of two evils…
not sure agree 3rd party hurts B… the 80% of citizens who live in the fiscally conservative/socially liberal center left middle common sense category are going to be very disheartened in this cycle as they realize they are essentially a weird combo of cannon fodder and sheeple waiting to be sheered
B & T stink

Commenter
Commenter
2 years ago
Reply to  steve

70% of Haley’s votes came from Democrat voters.

steve
steve
2 years ago
Reply to  Commenter

sooo maybe Rep can win gen election w H if Dems are willing cross over for her?? Or did they waste time going out to vote just to break Trumps balls?
asking for a friend…
if all those folks were out voting just to break Trumps balls that’s funny –
Maybe that’s just NH Dem voter sense humor ? Like lets all mess with T and the Rep’s !! Or… is it a admission to themselves B can’t beat T in gen election so they tried block him? I’m going with they all drank few local IPA’s and went out to break balls for fun! The #’s seem show H smokes B in gen so Dems don’t want her as B’s opponent.
All fun… primary results murky at best in terms of real sentiment other than its clear so far most people dislike both B & T and would appreciate a viable alternative

Commenter
Commenter
2 years ago
Reply to  steve

LOL no. Haley isn’t running for the GOP she’s running to replace Biden at the Dem convention.

Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  steve

NH has an open primary so anybody can vote in it including Independents, Democrats and anybody else. Democrats wanted to game the system and have their voters vote for anybody but Trump. I suspect that the Republican candidates got wind of this strategy and all except Haley stepped out to avoid a debacle harmful to the Party. Trump was far ahead already and staying in would have played into the Democrat’s hands. That would account for why DeSantis and Vivek stopped their campaigns unexpectantly.

steve
steve
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78

D was smart to bail- still has 100 mill in super pac- he was getting no traction- he’s young enough to be able step back getting a better acting coach and come back next time when there is oxygen in the room…
V was spending his own $$$ realized he had made enough impact to hold a spot on national stage going fwd so he bailed
not sure either left “for the party” – writing on the wall when u loose leverage in the party due to low numbers u have go

Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  steve

They both had enough money to stay in for a least a couple of more times and normally they would have.

RODNEY BLAKESTAD
RODNEY BLAKESTAD
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78

NH has about one million registered voters:

Democratic Party: 303,060 (30.28%)
Republican Party: 298,470 (29.82%)
Unaffiliated: 399,395 (39.90%)

Trump received 176,392 votes in the primary. He won with only 17% of the available votes. And, his margin was only 20% in Iowa. I see a trend here.

toddzrx
toddzrx
2 years ago
Reply to  steve

Just wait until Hailey’s home state primary of South Carolina where I live. Trump is going to destroy her.

joedidee
joedidee
2 years ago

IF choice is either Trump or Biden
I’ll be voting RFK Jr.

RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago

“Even the military has been infected with a divisive and unyielding woke doctrine.”

It’s part of the reason recruitment is down.Who wants to join the military and be subjected to that? In the Army, back in the mid 1970’s, i had two black NCO’s and a room mate who was black and it was a non issue with me.

radar
radar
2 years ago

Much of the reason folks didn’t like Trump has been dis-proven and shown Hillary was behind framing him for crimes he did not commit. Folks can now see he was railroaded and he wasn’t as bad as stated. Sure, he’s a crass ass and not a squishy lovable Teddy bear, but that helps keep our enemies in line.

Stuki Moi
Stuki Moi
2 years ago
Reply to  radar

“…but that helps keep our enemies in line.”

It very obviously does none of the sort: “Our” far and away; to the point where none others even rises above the noise floor; enemies are Central banks. That’s who stole all “our” wealth, handed it to the rankest of idiots to waste; and hence left America what it is today: A useless insult of a joke, and nothing whatsoever else. Fully “owned,” and hence ran, by nothing but utter nothings. Not one of whom possesses as much as even a single positive redeeming quality, of any sort whatsoever. Idiot Orange already had a chance to “keep” them “in line.” And, tah-dah, he’s far too dumb to even recognize the problem. “Huh???? I’ll go tweet something instead!”

toddzrx
toddzrx
2 years ago
Reply to  Stuki Moi

May want to see a doctor for your severe case of TDS. Literally your whole post is an emotional tantrum based entirely in non-facts.

Thetenyear
Thetenyear
2 years ago

Nothing turns the tide like a horrible president. Four years of Carter led to the Reagan landslide. The only difference this time around is that the Biden camp wants us to believe that we are the reason he is a really bad president.

Stu
Stu
2 years ago
Reply to  Thetenyear

Yes, and their reasoning is a reflection of themselves, and their inadequacies. TDS has got them so bound up, and add that to the sheer stupidity, and it’s no wonder they are seeking ways out from under. You simply just cannot fix stupid…

MiTurn
MiTurn
2 years ago
Reply to  Stu

Stupidity? I would say that TDS is a form of insanity, but most assuredly gaslighting.

steve
steve
2 years ago

Most folks are realizing that Trump is probably the last viable candidate they will ever se..

RODNEY BLAKESTAD
RODNEY BLAKESTAD
2 years ago
Reply to  steve

I think you misspelled “least”. You need to put an “e” in front of the “a”.

europeasant
europeasant
2 years ago

I still remember when Biden said that

“And, we won’t ignore what our own intelligence agencies have determined – the most lethal terrorist threat to the homeland today is from white supremacist terrorism,”

This Biden is clearly a traitor and I cannot vote for the fool.

eighthman
eighthman
2 years ago
Reply to  europeasant

Thank you. I am presently astounded that the US may have a Constitutional crisis involving control of the National Guard to ALLOW, not SUPPRESS a foreign invasion. But then again, we have LGBTQ supporting Hamas ! Anything goes, nothing matters, everything’s broke.

Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago

Europeans went from laughing at Trump to acknowledging that he was right on a lot of issues that directly affect them. They thought that depending on Russia for energy was not a problem and it turned out that Trump was right. They thought that underspending on defense was not a problem and it turned out to be a big one. They thought that immigration was not a problem and now they see it is. You don’t see them making fun of him anymore.

Stuki Moi
Stuki Moi
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78

“Europeans went from laughing at Trump to acknowledging that he was right on a lot of issues that directly affect them”

Europeans always follow America. They haven’t had any other rudder since WW2. So, when America fully jumped off the cliff; in ’71; the Europeans, one after the other, jumped right after.

Gravity being what it is: Any level of idiocy and depravity America free-falls past; soon thereafter sees a gaggle of Europeans fall past it. With the Euros never failing to brag about how they still haven’t fallen quite as far as America. Not yet…..

toddzrx
toddzrx
2 years ago
Reply to  Stuki Moi

Apparently not only do you suffer from TDS but your grasp of history is poor. Even Western European countries don’t blindly follow the US; not in culture, politics, or economically. Please, get informed.

Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago

I like seeing people “wake up” to reality and realize that they have been fools. It happens gradually then suddenly.

SleemoG
SleemoG
2 years ago

What’s funny is one need not read the comments on this post to know which candidate they support. If the count is red or green, there is a 100% correlation.

Sentient
Sentient
2 years ago

The prediction that made an impression on me was actually from Michael Che – the SNL “Weekend Update” co-host. (Yes, I am one of the half-dozen who occasionally watch it). They were mocking Trump – as usual – but Che said under his breath “he gon’ win”. An admission against interest.

Mark Keller
Mark Keller
2 years ago

This article describes me exactly ….. After 50 years of voting Democrat- I’m done with the totalitarian open border woke unelected Blinken Administration .

Considering voting for Trump for payback. In my opinion, however, no one is more owned by Israel than Trump, Biden and Kennedy. I might sit this one out If the US sponsored atrocities continue. How did Israel purchase our entire government and all of our major media? Inquiring minds want to know…..

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
2 years ago

A timely article.

My own anecdote about this comes from my Xmas visit to Canada to see my family. It was the first time in 4 years I was home because for 3+ of those years the border was closed to people like me who aren’t vaxxed.

When I was last home in 2019 it was just prior to the election and most people I know there were as Mish stated has here over the last few years, tired of Trump and hoping he wasn’t going to win again. This time, the tune was very different. It was a whole bunch of ‘why can’t the US pick 2 better candidates, we are sick of both of them’. In other words the much more liberal Canada doesn’t want Biden any more than it wants Trump.

Unfortunately it appears it’s 95% likely those are going to be the 2 candidates.

Commenter
Commenter
2 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

Biden will likely be replaced at the convention. They know he can’t run.

DaveFromDenver
DaveFromDenver
2 years ago
Reply to  Commenter

Biden will never Give Up or Give In. Never! He can’t be prosecuted as President and he can Pardon any and all family members. He’ll fight to the death to get nominated.

KWags
KWags
2 years ago

I was involved in the Libertarian Party, but ultimately realized we live in a two-party system and that it would mostly just take votes away from Republicans. I believe the best political strategy for libertarians is to disband the LP and go the Ron Paul route and try to compete within the GOP.

Karl
Karl
2 years ago

Rather than consider Trump yet, I’m fully expecting Biden to drop out around May and release his delegates, letting the Convention decide. At one stroke Biden’s mountain of baggage would become irrelevant. If the stakes are that high, why is that tired and incoherent old man running? There are any number of qualified, younger, hipper candidates who can actually instill some hope for the future among his diverse coalition (which is now breaking up). What is the obstacle to this obvious solution? The donors.

CaptainCaveman
CaptainCaveman
2 years ago
Reply to  Karl

Because of ego and because he needs to be able to Pardon Hunter and his other family members.

Sentient
Sentient
2 years ago
Reply to  Karl

If he drops out without having given any legit challengers a chance to run, it will be real hard for the Dems to refuse Kamala the nomination – even though she is an idiot and a skank.

Commenter
Commenter
2 years ago
Reply to  Sentient

She;ll be paid handsomely to go away.

toddzrx
toddzrx
2 years ago
Reply to  Karl

“Hipper candidates”? Seriously? That’s what Canadians got with Trudeau. How’s that working out?

ajc1970
ajc1970
2 years ago

Trump would have won against Biden in January 2020, but the election was November 2020.

Here we are in January, Trump would likely beat Biden, but the election is yet again November. So much time to make this election about Trump… The side that frames the election as a referendum on the other’s leader will win.

Meanwhile, I wrote in candidates for POTUS in both 2016 and 2020. But 2024… Biden is so bad that I might have to break my rule of not voting for the “lesser evil,” hold my nose and cast my first vote for Trump. Not that it matters, in 2020 I was in Oregon and for 2024 I’ll be casting my vote as a Texan. If your vote isn’t in one of the 5-8 swing states, you don’t matter.

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
2 years ago
Reply to  ajc1970

I agree.
If you want your vote to have any significance you must change your legal residence to one of the swing states.

JeffD
JeffD
2 years ago

Biden is an inflation causer with all his subsidies and promises to deliver more subsidies. No thanks.

C Z
C Z
2 years ago

I too detest Biden.

Norbert
Norbert
2 years ago

Barring stroke or dementia, there is no such person.

Cabreado
Cabreado
2 years ago

I haven’t heard him articulate what he intends to do differently this round, or acknowledge his mistakes in the first one.
Which is enough of a disappointment, so far, to sit this one out.

Sentient
Sentient
2 years ago
Reply to  Cabreado

True. If we had any actual reporters, they would ask obvious questions like “Is Jared Kushner going to have a role again?” or “What are you going to do differently to get the Wall built this time?”

ColoradoAccountant
ColoradoAccountant
2 years ago

We had the worst war, Vietnam, but we had the best music (you tubers make a living posting our music, even though they have never laid in the mud created by the blood of a man whose throat you just slit.). “He who governs least, governs best.”

Last edited 2 years ago by ColoradoAccountant
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago

Remind me never to cross an accountant.

Nonplused
Nonplused
2 years ago

A vote for Libertarian is a vote for Biden, or best case scenario the same as not voting.

Stuki Moi
Stuki Moi
2 years ago
Reply to  Nonplused

A vote for Trump, is a vote for 98+% of Biden.

While not necessarily likely, it’s not beyond the realm of the possible, that sufficient Libertarian votes will signal presence of a bloc worth courting by backing away from the 2% most egregious assaults on humanity in either major party’s program.

First, the Libertarians have to field candidates who can read, though. Heck, being underdogs, they may even have to demonstrate they know how to count. Which can no longer be taken for granted, this far into the #DumbAge.

Stu
Stu
2 years ago

Let’s just take a look see, just why that might be…

Trump Vs. Biden Inflation Comparison
US Annual Inflation Rate %:

Trump 2017 = 2.1% / Biden 2021 = 7%
Trump 2018 = 1.9% / Biden 2022 = 6.5%
Trump 2019 = 2.3% / Biden 2023 = 3.4% Est.
Trump 2020 = 1.4% / Biden 2024 = 8% Est. Me

Trump Vs. Biden War Comparison
US War Data by Year: War? Yes or No:

Trump 2017 = No / Biden 2021 = Yes
Trump 2018 = No / Biden 2022 = Yes
Trump 2019 = No / Biden 2023 = Yes
Trump 2020 = No / Biden 2024 = Yes

Trump Vs. Biden Data Comparison
UP or DOWN:

Crime:
Trump 2017-2020 = Down
Biden 2021 – Present = Up
Home Cost:
Trump 2017 – 2020 = Down
Biden 2021 – Present = Up
Rent:
Trump 2017 – 2020 = Down
Biden 2021 – Present = Up

Simply Painful…

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
2 years ago
Reply to  Stu

You forgot that Trump failed at managing a pandemic and effectively lost a biological war against China in which millions of Americans died. I voted for Trump in 2016 and put simply he failed on multiple fronts to protect the American people.

Stu
Stu
2 years ago

I remember The Democrat Party & Biden, totally mismanaging the Pandemic.

I remember the CDC, NHI, The Democrat Party & Biden, losing the handle and all control, over the fake biological scare.

Yep…

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
2 years ago
Reply to  Stu

Lol. Who was president when the scare started ? Who gave supplies to the country where the pandemic started ?

Stu how did the bleach injection work out?

Last edited 2 years ago by Casual Observer
Norbert
Norbert
2 years ago

Bleach infusions gave him the intelligence exhibited here. All Hail Dear Leader!

Dr Funkenstein
Dr Funkenstein
2 years ago

Oh please, he never said bleach injections. Stop watching Rachel Madcow…who admitted in court that people shouldn’t watch her show for facts, just her loony left wing propaganda.

Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  Dr Funkenstein

He never did. I watched while he supposedly said it. He said nothing of the kind. He did talk about washing the lungs of the infected using an antiseptic solution but didn’t explain it well because it’s not his field. That method is used to treat expensive racehorses when they catch pneumonia so he was right but the Democrats twisted it as they do everything.

Stu
Stu
2 years ago

Not sure about any scare that started?

When President Trump was in office however, this Country faced the First Pandemic of this kind in our History.

I did judge Trump then on his efforts, and felt as though he was as good and solid as could be expected. When you consider where He/We were at in History, and how he handled it.
I equally judged Biden on his efforts, and they are horrendous in comparison. Biden knew mask didn’t work, 6’ social distancing was made up. Vaccines were going to be an issue, etc. Biden ignored/disregarded all the information at his finger tips at this point. If only Trump had all of that…

Avery2
Avery2
2 years ago

Columbia and NYU Honors Journo majors never had a high school chemistry class nor correctly quoted Trump.

Chlorine Dioxide is a different compound than Sodium Hypochlorite. Take a swig of each, in that order.

EdT
EdT
2 years ago

You really are a casual observer. So much so you slept through the entire Biden shit-show.

RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago

There wasn’t any bleach injection. Trump clarified what he meant after a subsequent question.

Trump promoted FDA approved HCQ, which has anti-viral properties. Rick Bright and Judy Woodcock colluded to obstruct it through through an EUA, limiting its use to in hospital, when it was of no anti-viral use.
What Bright and Woodcock did was corrupt and cost lives.

ColoradoAccountant
ColoradoAccountant
2 years ago

There were two choices, lockdown or let it run it’s course (fire Fauci was obvious). You decide. In hindsight let it run its course was right. Millions did not die from the virus but from the vaccine. Excess deaths from myrocarditis are 20 percent above expected.

CaptainCaveman
CaptainCaveman
2 years ago

TDS clearly clouds your judgment very much.

Sentient
Sentient
2 years ago

Millions of Americans died? I mean maybe. More like thousands of 90 year olds died a month earlier than they would have.

Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago

Let’s see. You must be in total lockdown so you can’t spread the virus but if you want to be in large and often violent demonstrations then the deadly virus will not affect you so the lockdown can be suspended for those who decide to participate?

Mike2112
Mike2112
2 years ago

The first Covid case was in China in Nov 2019. The world didnt realize it was spreading until late Dec 2019. By then tens of thousands of ppl had flown from China to the USA.

How do you stop a germ that has already entered your country before you even knew it existed?

Ursel Doran
Ursel Doran
2 years ago

A most interesting indication of the Demo-rat’s choice of Biden is the new presentation of wheeling out Michelle Obama and dusting her/him off to replace Biden.

Avery2
Avery2
2 years ago
Reply to  Ursel Doran

Illinois Governor Pritzker will do the hula-hoop to warm up the crowd at the United Center in August.

rjd1955
rjd1955
2 years ago
Reply to  Avery2

Can Pritzker even fit in a hula-hoop?

Hank
Hank
2 years ago

Anybody that ever thought FJB biden or any communist democrat would “govern reasonably from the center” ARE NOT PAYING ATTENTION or are just flat out STUPID.

Idiots like this Prof at GMU are 100% responsible for the utter failure and treasonous last 3 years. We are not voting our way out of this……. too far gone

toddzrx
toddzrx
2 years ago
Reply to  Hank

I agree on your assessment of the prof. It’s incredible to me that someone with a decent level of intelligence can be naive enough to think Biden was going to be that much better than Trump, given both candidate’s track records, plus Biden’s obvious health decline that was already underway during the race in 2020.

Richard S.
Richard S.
2 years ago

The media and the Fed/Wall Street is totally in the tank for Biden. I have seen a huge uptick in positive coverage of Biden over the past few days alone and that will only grow as the election nears.

Personally, I hate Biden and I think he’s been a dimwit his entire life — now exacerbated with his being an octogenarian. But you know what? I dislike Trump almost as much. I do think that Trump would be better than Biden by a small percentage, but it’s not even worth it to put up with Trump’s b.s. He surrounds himself with constant drama, stupid tweets, the childish name calling, bragging, etc.

If Trump was kick butt, tough on immigration, I might be willing to overlook his character flaws, but he’s not. If it’s really Trump v. Biden, I won’t vote at all.

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
2 years ago
Reply to  Richard S.

How can a guy that employed illegals be tough on immigration ?

Frilton Miedman
Frilton Miedman
2 years ago

Reminds me of an in-law’s friend one Thanksgiving years back, bitching about government spending, asked what he did for a living – “Government contractor”
I don’t think most Republican voters realize what they’re voting for.

Stuki Moi
Stuki Moi
2 years ago

Exactly which part of “Some are more equal” is it that you do not understand?

Besides: What does not having the brains to even begin to comprehend who one is employing, have to do with tweeting mean stuff about scary Mexicun child laborers jumping walls in China or, like, something?

Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  Richard S.

It’s not Trump. It’s Democrats politicians in general. The Democrat party has gone off the deep end.

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
2 years ago

Biden is not only going to win but it won’t be as close as 2020. Many Republcians will end up not voting or even voting for Biden. Trump will end up with 20M less votes and Biden may win in a landslide (330 EV). Understand me now and believe me later. The economy is back to controlled inflation and productive growth. Thank God for productive people like me who actually contribute to productive growth. Life is gonna get easier for the productives and harder for the non-productives.

Woodsie Guy
Woodsie Guy
2 years ago

Is this a troll post or are you on crack?

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
2 years ago
Reply to  Woodsie Guy

Nope. Get back to me 6 months from now Biden while a sucky president may be the luckiest president ever in getting Trump as an opponent twice. And if I am wrong I will admit I. If Trump becomes president again it will effectively mean the end of democracy. Don’t say you weren’t warned. Anyone overlooking January 6th is gonna be sorry. But my prediction is it won’t even get to that point. The Repiblicans are dumb bc Haley could actually win against Biden but they are too scared to get rid of Trump. Instead the end will come for Trump in multiple ways including his health . Biden will look great in comparison and will win on this and the economy. Biden is one lucky SOB.

Last edited 2 years ago by Casual Observer
Richard S.
Richard S.
2 years ago

Haley is a war-mongering RINO. If Trump had any morals whatsoever, he would have bowed out and instructed his MAGA base to suppost Vivek or DeSantis, who would have eviscerated Biden in debates and actually do what Trump promised to do, but didn’t. Unfortunately, Trumps ego is too fragile for that.

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
2 years ago
Reply to  Richard S.

Forget his ego. He will have serious health problems by late spring. Biden will look like a vigorous 60 year old in comparison. Understand me now. Believe me later.

Woodsie Guy
Woodsie Guy
2 years ago

“…He will have serious health problems by late spring…” evidence for this please or is this conjecture?

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
2 years ago
Reply to  Woodsie Guy

Conjecture for now. But I’m very confident. Trump blamed Haley for Jan 6th.

Sentient
Sentient
2 years ago

Are you kidding? Trump lives on KFC and Diet Coke. He’s fucking indestructible.

Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago

Now you are just being facetious.

allan
allan
2 years ago

Jan 6th “insurrection”? Fat grandmas waddling around the place? Virtually no arms used? It’s completely obvious it was a set up by the Democrats. Contrast the handling of BLM activists and the Jan 6th protestors. Compare teh sentencing. Your ‘investigative’ agencies and the DOJ and courts are clearly controlled by the Democrat party.

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
2 years ago
Reply to  allan

Lol. Everything is a conspiracy and a setup. Trump wasn’t even president on Jan 6th was he ?

rjd1955
rjd1955
2 years ago

Yes. Trump was President on January 6th. Biden was ‘president-elect’. Have you ever gone to school?

RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago

Nancy Pelosi refused Trumps request for 20,000 Nation Guard. The Capitol police chief said he was kept out of the intelligence loop. Ray Epps was telling protesters that they had to go into the Capitol. Epps wasn’t even going to be prosecuted until Tucker Carlson made a big deal out of it. The J6 congressional commission was a political sham, not an objective investigation.

Oh, and new video shows officials behaving casually around what was supposed to be a pipe bomb outside the DNC. Actual explosive devices are dangerous. Must have known it was a fake. I don’t recall the public being told it was a fake.

It takes a conspiracy to hide major truth. That is not a theory. It is a simple fact.

RODNEY BLAKESTAD
RODNEY BLAKESTAD
2 years ago

Hummm… Another person that cannot sort fact from fiction…

Mike2112
Mike2112
2 years ago

Do you think our form of govt is like Capture the Flag???

In 1814 The Brits occupied DC and burned the Capitol and White House to the ground.

The govt was not removed.

But a 4 hr riot at the Capitol was going to do the job???

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
2 years ago
Reply to  Mike2112

This isn’t 1814 as much as you want it to be.

Sentient
Sentient
2 years ago

There’s no such thing as unarmed insurrection.

Mike2112
Mike2112
2 years ago

And yet Articles I, II, and III govern today as they did in 1814

toddzrx
toddzrx
2 years ago

And your grasp of reality isn’t what it should be.

rjd1955
rjd1955
2 years ago

Do tell…why would a Trump win ‘end democracy’? This is complete and utter BS.

Independent2024
Independent2024
2 years ago

Agree 100%. Let’s remove Biden derangement syndrome for a moment and review the facts:

1. Stock market at all time high – Biden did that!
2. GDP thru the roof! – Biden did that!
3. Inflation coming down – Biden did that!
4. Gasoline/Energy prices coming down (despite war) – Biden did that!
5. Fresh new young labor (immigrants) for the hungry capitalism machine being brought in daily – Biden did that!
6. Keeping us safe from Putin through Ukraine – Biden did that!
7. Keeping China at bay over Taiwan – Biden did that!

But if you want other factors…

8. There are 284 days till election day, by then 5000/day x 284 = 1,420,000 trump loving voting boomers will be dead.
9. Republicans will find some way to piss off women even more than they already have, just sit back and watch it happen. Trump loses the women vote.
10. Millenials, now larger than boomers, hate Republicans and Trump. Google how Millenials voted in the last election.

The only thing that will keep Biden from winning is if he dies or become incapacitate through a stroke but if that happens, I doubt Trump will win.

Bookmark this post and let’s check back in.

Richard S.
Richard S.
2 years ago

As much I hate to agree, Casual Observer is right. The powers-that-be will continue to goose the stock market and the media will do Biden’s bidding for him. Trump has his base of MAGA ‘tards, but that’s not enough to win. Everyone else hates him, both dems and republicans. As Trump increasingly re-enters the spotlight, voters will be reminded how obnoxious and childish he is.

Hank
Hank
2 years ago
Reply to  Richard S.

My tax and investment guys make Trump look humble. Biggest pricks I know. But I don’t hire them for confession or to bestow moral sacraments upon me. I hire them to do RIGHT by ME. That’s Trump. Get over your soy sensitivities and grow up.

And you can GFY with your maga ‘tards whining. All those SSRIs you are taking are showing

Richard S.
Richard S.
2 years ago
Reply to  Hank

Sorry buddy, but I’m a Gen-X’er, not a millenial or Gen Z or whatever soy thing you’re talking about. My biggest beef with Trump is that he did virtually nothing on immigration, which was the centerpiece of his 2016 campaign. Fool me once…

Also, don’t give me this b.s. about succesful people having big egos. It’s a well known fact that Trump received $440 million from his father over the course of his life. Donald could have invested that money in an index funds and done far better than his terrible business decisions. He’s an entertainer, plain and simple.

Sentient
Sentient
2 years ago
Reply to  Richard S.

Hindsight and recency bias. Stocks went nowhere for 30 years – from 1965 to 1995. An index fund barely existed during that period and only really became a known entity around the time Trump turned 50 in 1996 when John Bogle’s Vanguard finally took off. The Fed has since learned how to shamelessly create money to goose both stocks and housing values in order to protect their politician patrons (and the entire American ponzi economy). Arguably it should have been obvious that the “system” would start to act like a bodybuilder on ‘roids, but nothing’s really obvious ahead of time. Besides, Trump at least maintained what he inherited – unlike many scions who run the entire business into the ground within a few years.

Richard S.
Richard S.
2 years ago
Reply to  Hank

Also, I voted for Trump in both 2016 and 2020, but I’m finally fed up with his craziness.

Sentient
Sentient
2 years ago
Reply to  Richard S.

I voted for Trump in 2016 – and Kanye in 2020 because he was the least crazy. Also, I was pissed that Trump failed at his main promise: the Wall. Extracting that from an unwilling Congress required a willingness to shut down the government for months at a time, and he didn’t have the balls to do that. Maybe he will in a second term. Maybe not. I just want to go back to the good old days when we had a president who called a hooker he’d banged a “horse face”.

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
2 years ago
Reply to  Richard S.

I also wish there was a better alternative. I would love to have anyone but Trump or Biden. But that’s not what will be. I say with 100% confidence that Biden will win reelection barring some major catastrophe to his health.

toddzrx
toddzrx
2 years ago

His health is already a major catastrophe. Have you heard his mumbling in front of a mic, or turn to shake hands with a ghost on stage? Get a grip dude.

RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  Richard S.

Maybe you aught to get out more. A BLM founder in one state said he supports Trump. He says there are more like him, but they are not speaking up due to fear of criticism.

A reporter went down to Texas and found more support for Trump among American Hispanics, than he expected.

Commenter
Commenter
2 years ago

There’s a better chance Biden gets replaced for the nomination than him actually winning. What will you change your nick to then when this one vanishes?

Stuki Moi
Stuki Moi
2 years ago

“The economy is back to controlled inflation and productive growth.”

Dude: The 60s are over, man! Come off whatever trip you’ve obviously been on since then…. Or perhaps not. Maybe, in the #Dumbage, it really is, or at least feels, best to do as the #DumbAgeians…. It does date you, though; living in an America-in-your-mind which can still build planes that do NOT fall down, and where people can still buy houses at least competitive with Afghan caves, and where communist China is not a vastly superior country in every conceivable manner…. But yeah, I can certainly see the feelgood appeal of feeding the trip instead of coming off it only to land in a depressive reality where none of that neither is, nor will be for generations, true anymore.

Truthseeker
Truthseeker
2 years ago

Even though I believe that the Biden Administration is satanic, I think he could still win the election if he said it’s time to close the border and took dramatic action to really make it happen. I mean it would take a tremendous amount of courage and work that would inevitably hurt people, no easy way to fix this mess. Billions to the Mexican government to stop loading up the buses down at Mexico’s southern border and many other things. Americans would support Biden with such dramatic action to save the country. Not sure the Left could handle it.

shamrockva
shamrockva
2 years ago

If anyone believes Trump will have a lower budget deficit than Biden then they are more delusional than Trump is. Total disaster.

Bill
Bill
2 years ago

Anyone with eyes can see that Biden cannot last 5 years physically or mentally. His deterioration from an already-compromised state has accelerated and from this corner I do not see how he is the nominee on that side of the aisle. So the question is really this: Can Trump defeat whatever late entrant emerges from the Democratic convention in Chicago, held quite late and allows for the nominee to have to campaign very little, even less than Biden did from the basement enclave where he didn’t even appear in Milwaukee for his coronation. When does this blog start to hypothesize who the actual nominee will be because that, to me, is the most certain question needing to be asked prior to the showdown in November 2024.

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
2 years ago
Reply to  Bill

You are making a lot of assumptions about Trump. Things aren’t going well for him now and it will increasingly get worse. The Republicans should be happy if Haley is their nominee bc she could actually win. But Trump will burn the country down before he allows that to happen.

RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago

Democrats are the ones burning the country down. It was Obama who said he was 5 days from FUNDAMENTALLY changing America.

ColoradoAccountant
ColoradoAccountant
2 years ago
Reply to  Bill

The courtesans will rule, as they do now.

Don
Don
2 years ago

I’ve been talking to the older black males in Baltimore City for years, if the right would make an effort to get them to the polls, Trump would absolutely clean up. As in mop the floor clean up.

I could go on but it’s virtually talking to myself in the middle of the forest.

Hank
Hank
2 years ago
Reply to  Don

Or if they would self educate on trumps First Step program and his other positive actions for them instead of watching TV then maybe they would make a change.

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
2 years ago
Reply to  Don

That would involve getting them to work which they don’t evidently want to do.

Micheal Engel
Micheal Engel
2 years ago

Given their age and “what have u got to lose”, both will rule with an iron fist. This time
around, if the Dow deflates, Yellen will not save the banks and JP will not raid them, until gov debt deflates to a healthier level. Both are well qualified for the job.

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
2 years ago
Reply to  Micheal Engel

Lol. If you are hoping for a bad economy think again.

Avery2
Avery2
2 years ago

Acela Corridor, US Hwy 101 and the Blue Zoo metros in between can have their own country.

Last edited 2 years ago by Avery2
Casual Observer
Casual Observer
2 years ago
Reply to  Avery2

Land doesn’t vote.

Avery2
Avery2
2 years ago

Hi Mish, Are you trolling your own thread for the clicks? This looks like when you were affiliated with The Street Dot Bomb late in 2020.

Michael LeVesque
Michael LeVesque
2 years ago

And so talk of a third candidate – Read recently that Gallup polling actually placed RF Kennedy Jr. ahead of both other candidates by several percentage points in age group up to 45. If and when there is a debate (perhaps there won’t be one, as done by the Dems because they didn’t want RFK Jr. debating Biden, and both would prefer to have him out since he could take enough from both of them to win.) then RFK Jr would have an opportunity to be heard and not frozen out of the media and able to defend his denigration as well.

Rinky Stingpiece
Rinky Stingpiece
2 years ago

Biden is probably the worst president in the history of the USA. I said that before he was even inaugerated; nothing has changed; nothing will change; and voters see and feel that.

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
2 years ago

Speak for yourself. Trump couldn’t manage a simple pandemic. The disaster at the FAA is because of a Trump nominee that was CEO of the company that supplies Boeing. You aren’t very smart or have a bad memory or both. You can’t even spell inaugurate.

Walt
Walt
2 years ago

It’ll all depend on the economy/perceptions thereof, like always.

Ginko Biloba
Ginko Biloba
2 years ago

Trump is a cancer. I’m with the guy who said that he’d vote for Biden even if Biden was dead.

FUBAR111111
FUBAR111111
2 years ago
Reply to  Ginko Biloba

^ the TDS is strong with this one

Perhaps you can tell us why Biden, the worst President in US history, is worthy of even 1 vote?

But the dead angle is truth, all dead people vote Democrat from beyond the grave, every election.

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
2 years ago
Reply to  FUBAR111111

Trump was the worst and I voted for him in 2016. Trump will be a walking corpse by this summer.

ColoradoAccountant
ColoradoAccountant
2 years ago

You miss the point totally. The public is screaming: “I don’t know much, but I know I am hurting.” Boots on the ground in 130 counties and government in debt for $100,000 per family. Most people this way have a rifle that shoots 227 for varmints and 5.62 NATO for “just in case,”

Hank
Hank
2 years ago
Reply to  Ginko Biloba

Another soy boy or soy girl who can’t see past shims emotions

Naphtali
Naphtali
2 years ago

Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump, and Biden. These are the presidents during my lifetime. Of these. I believe the absolute worst has been Biden. The choice of candidates this time is disappointing, but I cannot vote for more destruction of our republic.

Micheal Engel
Micheal Engel
2 years ago
Reply to  Naphtali

All the above were the worst we ever had. Was Lincoln at the top, or the bottom of the worst ?

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
2 years ago
Reply to  Naphtali

Wrong perspective. Look at the opponent they beat and you will understand how they got to be president.

PeterEV
PeterEV
2 years ago

Where is a Republican “Eisenhower”, “Lincoln”, etc. hiding? I want to vote for someone who is not going to give this country away but can sit down and discuss our problems as an adult; not a wannabe dictator who mishandles our country’s secrets.

I’m thinking that the Republican Convention will see that Trump is a losing proposition and come up with a viable candidate in a similar way the Democrats selected Biden.

I’m all for going back to “smoke-filled rooms” where the powers that be select someone who they think can win.

Sentient
Sentient
2 years ago
Reply to  PeterEV

Don’t be such a fag.

RODNEY BLAKESTAD
RODNEY BLAKESTAD
2 years ago
Reply to  PeterEV

The problem is we have no statesmen in the US – only politicians.

MiTurn
MiTurn
2 years ago

Excellent aeticle Mish! Very interesting.

I picked this out: “Mr. Trump doesn’t care about the niceties of political discourse, and that is an asset.”

Very true. He can be obnoxious. But he’s right!

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
2 years ago
Reply to  MiTurn

He wanted to overturn an election he lost. He sucked and was always wrong. And I voted for him in 2016( in a state that didn’t matter). Trump was right about exactly nothing.

Hank
Hank
2 years ago

You didn’t vote for him you liar. Nobody as soft and sensitive as you would ever vote trump

ColoradoAccountant
ColoradoAccountant
2 years ago

Given their ages and that neither candidate can serve more than one term, isn’t the vote for the best vice president candidate?

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
2 years ago

The vote is for stability over chaos. Your pick depends on your perspective.

ColoradoAccountant
ColoradoAccountant
2 years ago

There is a rhythm to events and the fourth turning says that we are 85 years from WWII. I am old (77) and did not expect to have to live through the Fourth Turning, but too many marathons have extended my life. My life’s lesson is that no one remembers who came in third.

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