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In a Fog of Diplomacy, Mediators Seek US-Iran Meeting by Thursday

Trump is desperate for a meeting. Is Iran?

A 15-Point Plan

The Wall Street Journal reports U.S. Sends Iran 15-Point Plan to End War

The U.S. has sent Iran a 15-point plan to end the war, officials said, which centers largely around previous Trump administration demands of Tehran. The document, sent through intermediaries, calls on Iran to dismantle its three main nuclear sites and end any enrichment on Iranian soil, suspend its ballistic-missile work, curb support for proxies and fully reopen the Strait of Hormuz, according to the officials.

In return, Iran would have nuclear-related sanctions lifted, the officials said, and the U.S. would assist—while monitoring—the country’s civilian nuclear program. The plan broadly reflects the U.S. proposal discussed with Iran before the war started Feb. 28, when President Trump accused Tehran of not negotiating in good faith. Iran’s new, harder-line leadership says it now has higher demands of Washington, such as seeking reparations for weeks of attacks.

On Tuesday, Trump said he was far more confident of Iran’s willingness to come to an agreement. “They’d like to make a deal,” he told reporters during an Oval Office event. “They’ve agreed they will never have a nuclear weapon.”

Sides Far Apart

Trump is desperate for a ramp-down not Iran. Everything Trump says must be considered a lie.

Republicans are going to get bloodied in the midterms and Trump needs a victory.

There is every reason for Iran to not trust Trump. More accurately, there is no reason for any nation to trust Trump.

How Trump Suddenly Embraced the Idea of Talking with Iran

CNN discusses How Trump Suddenly Embraced the Idea of Talking with Iran

As President Donald Trump was departing Washington last week for Florida, ending the war with Iran appeared the last thing on his mind.

“You don’t do a ceasefire when you’re literally obliterating the other side,” he said Friday from the White House South Lawn before getting in his helicopter and flying away.

Three days, one ultimatum and — in his telling — a few conversations with a mystery official in Tehran later, Trump had adopted a different view.

“They want to settle, and we’re going to get it done,” he declared before a crowd in Memphis, Tennessee, on Monday, before touring Elvis’ Graceland.

Who, exactly, is doing the talking — or even whether they were talking at all — instantly became a matter of dispute. Trump, who refused to name the Iranian interlocutor his envoys were engaging, provided few details beyond describing the official as “respected.” And even as the president was speaking, additional Marine units were heading toward the Middle East, fueling skepticism about how real the talks are.

For its part, Tehran denied any talks and claimed Trump had backed down from his threat because he was afraid of Iranian retaliation.

“No negotiations have been held with the US,” Iran’s parliament speaker, Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, who was rumored to be the official Trump was referring to, wrote on X. He said the US’ postponement of power plant strikes was meant to “escape the quagmire in which the US and Israel are trapped.”

Still, the denials were carefully worded and did not refute that messages had been passed back and forth testing the waters for a potential resumption of talks.

Multiple countries are now actively working to mediate a deal between the US and Iran as the impacts of the war reverberate across the world, five sources familiar with the matter told CNN. The sources were not aware of any direct negotiations between the US and Iran since the outbreak of the war, despite Trump’s claims. [So, as expected Trump is a liar]

Two regional sources said the US had shared a 15-point list of expectations for the Iranians via Pakistan, but it was unclear whether Iran had agreed to any of the terms. One source said several of the points would be “next to impossible” for Iran to accept, and the other source said it mirrored the points the US tabled with Iran in discussions last year. Trump on Monday also referenced a 15-point proposal when he claimed the US and Iran had reached “major points of agreement.” [Well, that’s another lie.]

On the Pakistani side, the Intelligence Chief Lt. Gen. Asim Malik is one of the officials now engaging with Witkoff and Kushner, one source said.

“If both sides agree, Pakistan is always ready to host talks,” Foreign Office spokesperson Tahir Hussain Andrabi told CNN on Monday. [Great. Pakistan is negotiating with Kushner. That ought to produce miracles.]

One of the regional sources theorized the administration is reaching out to Iran through multiple countries to ensure its messages are being received by all relevant figures in Tehran. [So who the hell is desperate here? Trump or Iran?] There is an understanding, this source said, that a sustained end to the war will likely be a longer process.

Both Trump and Vance spoke to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, whose war objectives have appeared to diverge from the United States’ in recent days. [Who is running this war anyway? Netanyahu?]

“All of their leaders are dead, as far as we know. But they’re all dead. We don’t know who we’re dealing with,” he said last week. [If they are all dead, and you don’t know who you are dealing with, who the hell are you talking to?]

“Sometimes you have to escalate to de-escalate,” Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said on NBC.

Yet the threat against Iran’s civilian infrastructure alarmed officials in the Gulf, who rushed to warn the US administration that doing so would amount to many steps up the escalation ladder, according to people familiar with the conversations.

Iran appeared to confirm those fears, warning it would retaliate by targeting energy sites and other infrastructure among the US’ Middle Eastern allies, including desalination plants, which many countries in the region rely on for nearly all their fresh water.

The health status of new Supreme Leader Mojtaba Khamenei is unknown. His inexperience in high-level diplomacy also begs questions about his involvement. And Araghchi, the foreign minister, is engaged with the Omanis, but it’s not clear that he is also the point person on the Iranian side for messages other countries are sending between the two sides, sources said.

“We have not heard from the son,” Trump said Monday.

However, he appeared optimistic his efforts could result in a quick resolution to the war.

“You have to understand, my whole life has been a negotiation,” the president told his audience in Memphis. “But with Iran, we’ve been negotiating for a long time. And this time, they mean business.”

What a pack of lies from top to bottom.

This just in …

CNN reports Iran has expressed a preference for negotiating with Vance, sources say

Iranian representatives have let the Trump administration know it does not want to re-enter negotiations with special envoy Steve Witkoff and President Donald Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner and would prefer to engage with Vice President JD Vance, two regional sources said.

The message, which was passed through back channels to the US, signals Iran believes discussions involving Witkoff and Kushner wouldn’t be productive given the deficit of trust following the breakdown of negotiations prior to Israel and the US launching military action.

Vance — in contrast to Witkoff, Kushner and even Secretary of State Marco Rubio — is viewed as more sympathetic to wanting to end the war, the sources said.

White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt told CNN that it’s Trump’s call who negotiates for the US.

“President Trump and only President Trump determines who negotiates on behalf of the United States. As the President stated today, Vice President Vance, Secretary Rubio, Special Envoy Witkoff, and Mr. Kushner will all be involved,” Leavitt said.

For now, the likelihood of a meeting between the US and Iran being taking place later this week in Islamabad remains a possibility — but even those advocating for it to take place are skeptical that it will actually happen, sources said.

https://twitter.com/Mollyploofkins/status/2036510168645542153?s=20

Bottom Line

Trump, is desperate. Iran isn’t. Trump cannot do much of anything but lie.

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El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
1 month ago
Augustine
Augustine
1 month ago
Reply to  El Trumpedo

Says the likely senile liar…

Flatlaxity
Flatlaxity
1 month ago

The Iran population must be incensed with the US/Israel sneak attacks. Iran, even when facing the coming US military presence of paratroopers, marines, carriers, etc., has all of the cards. The US can only occupy Iran’s Hormuz coastal islands and nearby shores. Even with this occupation, it’s akin to trying to stop up all of the holes in a sieve of missile/drone firing locations. Remember, even if Trump tries to open Hormuz to all ship traffic, it only takes ONE Iran missile/drone to stop such traffic.

Jon L
Jon L
1 month ago
Reply to  Flatlaxity

The Iran population must be incensed” – absolutely.

However, I suspect that many Americans simply do not care – they are largely muslim and slightly darker skin.

My experience of Iranians is of incredibly intelligent and sophisticated people – way more than many of the Americans I have met.

The sooner Iran comes in from the cold and joins the G20 (which it probably would qualify for), the sooner we can move away from Team America thinking it should rule the world despite being one of the most backward countries in terms of social structure that exists.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
1 month ago
Reply to  Jon L

Put a picture of each their leadership next to their counterparts in the US, and they make the US guys look like raving lunatics.

Mick
Mick
1 month ago
Reply to  Jon L

I wonder if G20 starts going the way of G7 (previously G8 until expulsion of Russia). G7 re-entry was floated as a diplomatic enticement to end the and Putin rebuffed the possibility, saying the G7 was become irrelevant. Iran would probably like to have good relations with many countries but they need to prioritize reliable partners like China and Russia.

Jojo
Jojo
1 month ago
Reply to  Jon L

When you and others use “Iran” to describe the entity that the US/Israel are fighting, you are being purposefully? inaccurate.

This is not a war against the COUNTRY of Iran, its peoples or of Muslims in general, it’s against the ruling Islamic Regime State and its IRGC military arm. This distinction is important.

70-80% of Iranians oppose the Iranian Regime, have no control over its actions and would be ecstatic to see these the Regime and the IRGC permanently dispatched. Again, we are not fighting the people of Iran.

When referring to this war, correct usage should be “the Iranian Regime” or “ the IRGC”, not simply Iran, as in the county of.

Thank you for your attention to this matter! 

Jon L
Jon L
1 month ago
Reply to  Jojo

Absolute nonsense. Trump talks about Iranians in general. He threatens to attack civilian infrastructure. Oh and I suppose flattening Gaza was just about Hamas. Maga is racist full stop.

JeffD
JeffD
1 month ago

As Iran has stated, Trump is just trying to buy time as he positions troops. Trump is completely untrustworthy.

Quatloo
Quatloo
1 month ago

Iraq is reporting that the US just attacked a military base in Iraq

George
George
1 month ago
Reply to  Quatloo

There is no U.S military base in Iraq they are on the run to Turkey next’s domino Bahrain then?….

Quatloo
Quatloo
1 month ago

The Iran War: Soon to be a major motion picture!
https://x.com/carlzha/status/2036645730908307590?s=42

Quatloo
Quatloo
1 month ago
Reply to  Quatloo

Would be awesome to see that movie made

most of you voted for the uniparty all your lives
most of you voted for the uniparty all your lives
1 month ago

With Russia and now with Iran, Oceania’s internal factions negotiate with themselves and mollify the MIC galley rowers via 401k intervention.

PapaDave
PapaDave
1 month ago

Random thoughts about the war

It is interesting to follow the war and how it is portrayed in the media. The US and Israeli military are seen as offensive powerhouses capable of precision strikes on Iranian infrastructure, destroying Iran’s ability to respond in kind.

Iran will supposedly soon run out of weapons to respond with and what little they have left is easily thwarted by US defensive capabilities positioned throughout the region to protect against Iranian attacks.

Israel’s “Iron Dome” will protect Israel, just like Trump’s trillion dollar Golden Dome will eventually protect the US from all future attacks.

The reality is quite different. Iran has demonstrated an ability to hit “what it wants”, when it wants. US military bases, and radar stations throughout the region, have been targeted and taken serious damage. The US had to replace damaged radar and other equipment by transferring what was still available in other regions throughout the world. We even took equipment out of South Korea against their objections. We are rapidly running out of defensive interceptor systems.

A report out of China suggests that the US will soon exhaust its reserves of rare earth minerals used to make more weapons.

Iran has demonstrated that it can target installations in the Mediterranean and Indian oceans if it wishes.

There are 14 LNG trains at Ras Laffan. Trains 4 and 6 have shared US ownership. Guess which two trains were destroyed by Iran. It will take 3-5 years to rebuild those trains. The remaining trains will take 3-5 months to bring back on line, once the war ends. This cuts off 20% of global LNG.

We do not control the skies over Iran. Our air force fires expensive weapons from long range. We don’t want to see our planes shot down.

Our navy is far away, because it will be targeted if we get too close.

The strait of Hormuz is still controlled by Iran. Our navy won’t go near it because they would be sitting ducks. Better to beg/demand that other nations send warships there to help us.

Iranian oil is still transiting the strait and being sold to China and India. Iran will now “allow” non hostile ships from China, India and Pakistan safe passage after inspections.

We have removed sanctions on Russian and Iranian oil to help keep prices down. Indian refiners have contracted to buy 60 million barrels of Russian oil currently at sea, paying a premium to Russia of $5 to $15 per barrel.

Most of that Russian oil was diverted from going to China, which was buying it at cheap prices to build up its SPR and for teapot refiners.

Chinese teapot refiners have cut production. China has banned export of refined products to Asian markets.

Trump is getting desperate for a way out. He has achieved none of the many goals he has floated. The regime in Iran is still there and perhaps more hard line than ever. He has not impacted Iran’s ability to strike whatever targets it wants. He has not taken their uranium. Iran still controls the strait of Hormuz. 20% of world LNG and 10-20% of oil are still impacted. As well as important amounts of fertilizer, food, aluminum, helium etc.

This war is costing us a fortune and we are not achieving anything of significance.

radar
radar
1 month ago
Reply to  PapaDave

I’m worried how far he might go when it becomes apparent Iran has him by the balls. Taking out power plants, sending in troops, dropping nukes…

Quatloo
Quatloo
1 month ago
Reply to  PapaDave

GREAT summary of the state of things. Particularly like the nugget about the two partially American-owned LNG trains, haven’t seen that anywhere else!

Flavia
Flavia
1 month ago
Reply to  Quatloo

Very precise targeting!

Augustine
Augustine
1 month ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Oh, but the Donald has achieved his main goal completely: everybody forgot that he’s implicated in a pedophile ring run by Epstein.

Peace
Peace
1 month ago

Trump, is desperate. Iran isn’t. Trump cannot do much of anything but lie.

It’s true.
If BULLY is winning he is never going to stop bullying.

Last edited 1 month ago by Peace
most of you voted for the uniparty all your lives
most of you voted for the uniparty all your lives
1 month ago

History, especially recent history, talk of Warshington diplomacy is deception for their next hostile act already planned or to chill domestic opposition.

Last edited 1 month ago by most of you voted for the uniparty all your lives
Jojo
Jojo
1 month ago

KA-POW! Bret Stephens hits this column out of the park!

The War Is Going Better Than You Think

March 24, 2026

Bret Stephens

Most Americans probably don’t look back at March 2012 — if they remember it at all — and think of terrifyingly high gas prices. In the month when “The Hunger Games” ruled the box office and President Barack Obama was on his way to a comfortable re-election, the price of Brent crude closed the month around $123 a barrel. That would be about $175 a barrel in today’s dollars.

As of Tuesday, despite Iran’s effective closure of the Strait of Hormuz and its attacks on its neighbors’ energy facilities, it’s hovering around $100, slightly higher than the average inflation-adjusted price since January 2001, roughly $95.

That ought to provide some perspective on the panic over the war in the Middle East. To hear the critics’ version of events, an unprovoked and unnecessary attack on Iran, launched at Israel’s behest, is already a foreign-policy fiasco that has put the global economy at risk without any clear objective or endgame. As Senator Chris Murphy, a Connecticut Democrat, told NBC’s Kristen Welker over the weekend, “We’ve never seen this level of incompetence in war-making in this country’s history.”

Really? Let’s take a tour of some of the recent history.

• During the 1991 Operation Desert Storm against Iraq’s Saddam Hussein, a campaign that is widely considered a brilliant military success, the U.S.-led coalition lost 75 aircraft, 42 of them in combat. In this conflict, four manned aircraft have been destroyed, three to friendly fire and one in an accident. Not a single manned plane has yet been lost over Iran.

• The U.S. air and land campaign in that operation lasted a full six weeks. Today it’s remembered as a lightning-fast war. The current conflict with Iran is less than four weeks old.

• In the 1989-90 invasion of Panama, whose military phase lasted a few days, the United States lost 23 soldiers, with 325 more wounded. So far in this war, U.S. losses are 13 dead. Among the more than 230 wounded, most have swiftly returned to duty.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/24/opinion/iran-war-history.html

Jojo
Jojo
1 month ago
Reply to  Jojo

And here are a couple supporting letter sample letters from readers of the Bret Stephens column:

Samuel Taylor

Colorado Springs, CO · 

Mr. Stephens has written a brilliant column about how very well the war with Iran is going. Every American should be very proud of our marvelous fighting force that we have in our all volunteer armed forces. Let’s hope that from the efforts of US and Israel armed forces that millions of Iranians will soon be liberated from the oppressive regime of the Mullahs and they will never be able to build an atomic bomb.

Neal

MA · 

As much as I abhor Donald Trump and everything he stands for; talking on Iran’s financial, logistical, and financial support for terrorist activities across the Middle East before it had a nuclear arsenal to provide the ultimate blackmail the region was the right thing to do. And, it should be followed through to its appropriate conclusion: defanging a theocracy that would look on a mushroom cloud over Tel-Aviv as God’s will.

That Trump and his Team of Sycophants went into the operation without a game plan for, say, preventing the mining of the Straits of Hormuz, is illustrative of the administration’s intolerance for pushback. Trump’s waffling is a sign he cares more about keeping a Republican congress than he does finishing the mission.

Everything Bret writes is on target The US is doing the world a favor by ‘demilitarizing’ Iran. Even a Trump hater like me can see that this is a cause worth continuing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/24/opinion/iran-war-history.html

Limey
Limey
1 month ago
Reply to  Jojo

No uptick for you. No-one considers Iraq a success.

Quatloo
Quatloo
1 month ago
Reply to  Limey

Liz Cheney said she still thinks the Iraq war was a success

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
1 month ago
Reply to  Limey

The goal ever always only was to turn Iraq into a failed state and thus no threat to Israel.

Of course, the neocons could not say this out loud, so they made up lies about WMDs and freedom talk.

Jojo
Jojo
1 month ago
Reply to  Limey

Suggest you return to Britain, if you are not currently there, Limey, and deal with the Muslims overrunning your country.

OTOH, you could have chosen your screen name because you like that putrid shade of green. Who knows?

Peace
Peace
1 month ago
Reply to  Jojo

Nobody can deny US is the strongest army in the world with 1 trillion military budget.

US won battle after battle but lost the war.
It’s also undeniable.

Quatloo
Quatloo
1 month ago
Reply to  Peace

America won every battle in the Vietnam war, but still lost the war

alx
alx
1 month ago

3000 people??

elite or not , they wont hold up alive for a week in ukraine-russia meat grinder.

Last edited 1 month ago by alx
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 month ago

I find it fascinating that whenever Trump talks about a ceasefire or an end to the war, traders fall for it, and oil prices drop significantly. Only for prices to recover when traders realize they’ve been fooled again.

Trump says that the US and Iran are currently talking or negotiating. They did that twice before only to see Trump attack Iran during those negotiations.

Meanwhile, Trump is again sending more military resources to the region, while they negotiate.

Jack
Jack
1 month ago
Reply to  PapaDave

On both points, it is interesting how they repeatedly use the same playbook with Iran.

The same playbook was also used during the China tariff “negotiations” last year.

Peace
Peace
1 month ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Insider trading works.

radar
radar
1 month ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Makes me wonder if treasury is manipulating futures market. Oil stocks are not falling near as much as the futures.

peter mackey
peter mackey
1 month ago

It shocks me that Iran would even considered talking to Trump….he’s bombed them twice during then last two peace talks.

Jojo
Jojo
1 month ago
Reply to  peter mackey

I wish they wouldn’t talk and we could bomb them into smithereens!

Neil
Neil
1 month ago
Reply to  Jojo

Why wouldn’t you bomb them anyway? The last time the two parties talked the americans bombed anyway. Nothing helps a negotiation like bombing the other country’s girl schools, we all know that.

Jack
Jack
1 month ago
Reply to  Jojo

Patriots and THAAD missiles are being spent at an alarming rate. They had to unexpectedly pull them out of South Korean for the first time. If the war continues, it is expected they may have to relocate defense systems from Japan and Guam.

This raises eyebrows as China has increased aggression around Taiwan and NK is now testing their new naval submarine based missiles that can carry nuclear warheads.

This draws historical analogies to the Iran-UK-France Suez crisis and the subsequent USSR invasion of Hungary.

Jojo
Jojo
1 month ago
Reply to  Jack

The only reason we need to use Patriot or THAAD missile defenses is IF Iran shoots missiles/drones at Israel or US bases/boats.

But most of Iran’s missile launchers have been decimated and they are almost out of missiles and drones. Which is why their attacks have fallen off so much in recent days.

So no, there is no shortage of defensive weapons. Stop listening to the conspiracy crowd. D’oh. You don’t know Jack sheet, Jack!

Limey
Limey
1 month ago
Reply to  Jojo

Are you really this stupid , or a Russian bot. Grow up.

JGold
JGold
1 month ago
Reply to  Limey

Juju the dog-faced Zionist.

most of you voted for the uniparty all your lives
most of you voted for the uniparty all your lives
1 month ago
Reply to  peter mackey

According to some non-Oceania media, Iran flat-out rejects talks until their goals are achieved, including evicting USA power from the region.

I don’t know what to believe. But 911, “WMD” lies, “rape pills”, and much more — like the Plandemic — convinced me to distrust anything Oceania says and, increasingly, avoid reading it in the first place. Leave liars to lie alone in the forest so you need not waste time thinking about them.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
1 month ago

Raising the enlistment age, and not so worried about marijuana anymore:

https://taskandpurpose.com/news/army-enlistment-age-marijuana-waiver/

Meat is needed. Think they’re gonna try and land 100k troops?

Jack
Jack
1 month ago
Reply to  El Trumpedo

I believe the Iraq invasion involved 200,000 troops – however they invaded across land. Iran may require an amphibious invasion which is more complex.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
1 month ago
Reply to  Jack

If they want that uranium, they’re going to have to fight across half the country, and maintain that supply line.

alx
alx
1 month ago

NEW: Iran told the Trump administration it doesn’t want to resume talks with Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner, and would rather deal with JD Vance
====

i might be new here but

IS IT NOT Marco RUBIO , head of STATE department, formally minister of foreign affairs?

who the fu11ck is witkoff?

njbr
njbr
1 month ago
Reply to  alx

Witkoff and Kushner are Jewish Zionist real estate capitalists with huge investments from Saudi Arabia that also want Iran gone

Suzie Alcatrez
Suzie Alcatrez
1 month ago
Reply to  alx

Marco Rubio is also National Security Advisor.

most of you voted for the uniparty all your lives
most of you voted for the uniparty all your lives
1 month ago
Reply to  alx

Probably still not true. Iran is probably not that stupid to believe any Oceania rep.

More likely TPTB are checking online forums for enthusiasm for Vance. If TPTB see enough sheeple express hope Vance can fix something, TPTB use 25A to revive sheeple’s morale.

Last edited 1 month ago by most of you voted for the uniparty all your lives
El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
1 month ago

If you look at conservative run forums, anybody that dissents gets banned immediately. They’d be operating on bad data… but that’s how they operate.

Limey
Limey
1 month ago
Reply to  alx

Witkoff? Sounds like a Russian FSB asset.

Last edited 1 month ago by Limey
Quatloo
Quatloo
1 month ago
Reply to  alx

In the Trumpian order of things, there is no higher or more important calling than Real Estate Developer

dtj
dtj
1 month ago

Israel and the U.S. thought they’d be ruling the skies and carpet bombing Iran with gravity bombs by this stage of the war. Not happening.

Israel is going to be begging for a ceasefire pretty soon as they are running out of defensive missiles.

Nothing has gone the way the U.S. and Israel had planned. This is hands down the biggest military blunder of all time.

It would take the U.S. huge amounts of money and political maneuvering (if it’s even possible) just to get back to where it was before the war started (military bases still in the Gulf countries, control of the Gulf governments, the Strait freely opened, Iran sanctioned and contained, etc.)

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
1 month ago
Reply to  dtj

There’s no going back. Iran will have nukes. Israel will strike first.

Suzie Alcatrez
Suzie Alcatrez
1 month ago
Reply to  El Trumpedo

Israel is hell bent on causing nuclear devastation.

Jackula
Jackula
1 month ago
Reply to  dtj

Yeah was just reviewing another retired general, this one Indian, discussing what an idiot Trump was attacking Iran. Also was discussing 6 brand spanking new SS-400 batteries that just got delivered to Iran. Also mentioned that they have 500 manpads. He noted the Iranians are getting better at using their portable anti-aircraft radars.

Jack
Jack
1 month ago
Reply to  Jackula

If Iran received SS-400 systems, most likely they came with Russian troops to operate them – which means Russians will have entered the war.

Phil in CT
Phil in CT
1 month ago
Reply to  Jackula

S-400 got wiped out on day 1, if they ever were even in place. They have been shown to be unable to stand up to Western targeting and stealth tech. Something like 20 of these systems have been destroyed in Ukraine using old 80’s tech. The Russian arms industry has not been able to keep up.

Mick
Mick
1 month ago
Reply to  Phil in CT

“The U.S./NATO arms industry has not been able to keep up.” Corrected it for you.

What system do you think tracked and severely damaged that F-35? Iran/Russia has not had enough time to build out a fully integrated air defense system, yet we see high value U.S./Israeli military assets being challenged/destroyed every week.

Phil in CT
Phil in CT
1 month ago
Reply to  Mick

Russia is already far behind on their contract to supply this system to the Indians. And the Ukrainians have destroyed a number of the Russian’s own s-400 systems. It’s unlikely they have any extras for Iran.

Jojo
Jojo
1 month ago
Reply to  dtj

Talk about incongruent history! With this level of perception, you must be bankrupt, yes? 🤣🤣🤣

Langster
Langster
1 month ago

Oil is down tonight on this “news.” Watch the insider trades again tomorrow morning.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
1 month ago
Reply to  Langster

Puts me in mind of how Lucy would hold that football for Charlie Brown to kick, yank it a way, and laugh when he fell on his backside.

He got suspicious eventually, but he never stopped falling for it.

Art
Art
1 month ago

Good to know our negotiations with Pakistan are progressing well. Bad to know Taco doesn’t know the difference between Pakistan and Iran.

Limey
Limey
1 month ago
Reply to  Art

I wonder if Governor Trump could even identify Iranistan on a map.

Last edited 1 month ago by Limey
njbr
njbr
1 month ago

Little side note

Kushner’s investment firm, Affinity, has a total of 6 investors with $6bil under management

Kushner, formerly called the “clown prince” by Saudi’s, has them as his major client

Saudi’s want control of the region and Iran removed

How much of this war is laid at Kushner’s feet, grabbing war from the jaws of a potential peace offer, at the behest of Saudi Arabia and Israel

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago
Reply to  njbr

He might be the Antichrist. He’s certainly an antichrist.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
1 month ago
Reply to  Sentient

I think he just needs to find his Blue Fairy to turn him into a real live boy.

alx
alx
1 month ago
Reply to  njbr

= Iran removed

you mean like hole in earth or something

iran is 5000 years old. at least

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
1 month ago
Reply to  alx

We could dig it up and haul it to Israel.

cambeiu
cambeiu
1 month ago

Iranian demands for end to the war include the closure of all U.S. bases in the Gulf, guarantees of no further attacks, an end to Israeli strikes on Hezbollah, the lifting of all sanctions on Iran, war damage reparations, and no restrictions on its missile program.

-WSJ

Frosty
Frosty
1 month ago
Reply to  cambeiu

WSJ = Fox = Lies = Trump

cambeiu
cambeiu
1 month ago
Reply to  Frosty

I find those demands to be quite credible. If I were Iran I would have made those exact demands.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
1 month ago
Reply to  cambeiu

Boils down to “Fuck off and leave us alone. Forever.”

pokercat
pokercat
1 month ago
Reply to  cambeiu

As negotiations come to an end with the signing of documents Iran will add one more line “Trump’s head in a box along with those of his family and cabinet”.

Do you think they will ever forget that trump killed their leader and his family except for his son? Would you?

alx
alx
1 month ago
Reply to  Frosty

add cnn abc cbs bbc , etc to list

IT IS SAME. SAME OWNERS

5 corps control whole mass media in usa , at least

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
1 month ago

“Republicans are going to get bloodied in the midterms and Trump needs a victory.”

It won’t even take the midterms. Repubs have been losing seats to democrats even in deep red counties. I don’t want to hear any whining about “rigged” elections in the midterms, repubs have been losing elections the past year and with good reason, their governance has been moronic.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/democrat-flips-florida-state-legislative-003937217.html

Democrat Emily Gregory won a special election for a Florida state House seat on Tuesday, The Associated Press has projected, flipping a district that is home to President Trump’s estate, Mar-a-Lago.

cambeiu
cambeiu
1 month ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Losing seats to the current crop of Democrat politicians shows how discredited Republicans are.

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
1 month ago
Reply to  cambeiu

Republicans are doing such a bad job that people will vote for open borders, LGBTQ-trans, DEI, and green energy all over again.

When it happens, remember, elections have consequences and this is what the people will vote for in Nov.

Creamer
Creamer
1 month ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

My God! The economy destroying… Free migrant labor and gay people and, oh right, green energy that’s currently booming everywhere else. I shudder to imagine a world where people have personal agency (I am a libertarian after all and we hate that) and don’t rely on a bunch of religious nutjob kingdoms to provide all of the energy. Perhaps the scariest idea of all for my libertarian self: free trade with brown people. My ideology makes perfect sense in my head by the way!

cambeiu
cambeiu
1 month ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Illegal immigration exists because legal immigration is difficult. I don’t care if the US stops being a white majority country.

People should be free to speak whatever language they wish and worship whatever imaginary entity they wish.

I don’t care who consenting adults have sex with, what orifices they use for sex or if they dress like women or men.

I want less government in the economy and in people’s personal lives.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
1 month ago
Reply to  cambeiu

They’re only interested in you if you have something they want, so there’s that way of escaping.

Rogerroger
Rogerroger
1 month ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Well when gas hits 10 bucks a gallon that green energy is gonna start looking good. The sun may not always shine and the wind may not always blow. Look like gas supply chains are not always open. .

Jack
Jack
1 month ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

The petrodollar relies on oil energy being king. Green energy will give global energy control to China.

pokercat
pokercat
1 month ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

“Republicans are doing such a bad job that people will vote for”; Universal healthcare, actual enforcement of the civil rights guaranteed in the US Constitution, honest immigration policies, reduction of the war machine (DOD), fair and free elections, more regulations on unfettered capitalism that has lead to American corporations becoming the global perpetrators of ripoffs and scams, repair of the American infrastructure and containment of AI etc..

“When it happens, remember, elections have consequences and this is what the people will vote for in Nov.”

Phil in CT
Phil in CT
1 month ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Oh no teh geys
You homophobic? Really?

Last edited 1 month ago by Phil in CT
El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
1 month ago
Reply to  cambeiu

What fresh clownshow awaits us?

Peace
Peace
1 month ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

After 2024 GOP neocon,
2028 will be Dem neocon.

You can call it uniparty.

most of you voted for the uniparty all your lives
most of you voted for the uniparty all your lives
1 month ago
Reply to  Peace

Yes, probably, unfortunately.

The Dem’s and Rep’s alike voted to spend all the money ever requested to prepare for every new chapter in the forever war.

The regime tells sheeple not to “waste their vote” by voting outside the uniparty. Voting for the uniparty is the biggest waste of all.

Last edited 1 month ago by most of you voted for the uniparty all your lives
TEF
TEF
1 month ago

Our elected president is a conman; abjectly poor deal maker; failed businessman; convicted felon; anti-institutionalist; national and international outlaw; war criminal;
abjectly poor strategist; anti-American; and narcissistic, delusional, and compulsive lying idiot. He has done more to destroy American values and American international prestige than the worst ten presidents combined including Jefferson Davis. His demeanor, thoughts, and words are divisive and non-presidential. He does not represent the goodness that is America and the character of the decided majority of Americans. Vote his ilk cult out in Nov 2026.

Tenacious D
Tenacious D
1 month ago
Reply to  TEF

Delusional and compulsive lying idiot are sort of an extension of narcissism. Used to have an in-law that was a narcissist. She is delusional, a compulsive liar, and an idiot.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
1 month ago
Reply to  TEF

But enough about his better qualities…

Augustine
Augustine
1 month ago
Reply to  TEF

See? You already forgot the predilection shared by the Donald and Epstein. Mission accomplished!

cambeiu
cambeiu
1 month ago

Anything less than a LOT of concessions from the West and the regime is virtually dead and ready to take the world with it by making the Gulf region uninhabitable.

Iran has secured a Mutually Assured Destruction scenario. A war with Iran wasn’t tried before not due to lack of courage. There are strategically unwinnable military scenarios, no matter how strong you are. Iran is one of them. The right approach was the nuclear deal, the one Trump wiped his ass with.

There is a reason why it took Bibi 30 years to find a US president dumb enough to start this war.

Last edited 1 month ago by cambeiu
Woodsie Guy
Woodsie Guy
1 month ago

I don’t believe this for a second. 3,000 marines are enroute to the middle east and today I read that they are considering sending in the 1,000+ troops from the 82nd airborne. That isn’t a move to de-escalation tensions by any stretch of the imagination. Just like in the run up to this war, you don’t send a bunch of troops and/or equipment and then turn around and come home.

This is all BS from Trump.

As I said in a previous comment, Iran holds the cards. Iran has no reason to trust the US.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
1 month ago
Reply to  Woodsie Guy

They’re gonna need a lot more than that if they want to retrieve that uranium.

Suzie Alcatrez
Suzie Alcatrez
1 month ago
Reply to  El Trumpedo

They are going to take Karg Island.

pokercat
pokercat
1 month ago
Reply to  Suzie Alcatrez

They are going to die on Kharg Island.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
1 month ago
Reply to  Suzie Alcatrez

There are 10,000 civilians on that island, and I’d be willing to be they’re armed and being trained to fight.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
1 month ago

The Iranians fired Witkoff and Jared, and want to talk to Vance now.

Not Trumpstien.

Frosty
Frosty
1 month ago
Reply to  El Trumpedo

Ha! Shifting to Vance is like changing your shirt because you shit in your pants.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
1 month ago
Reply to  Frosty

They haven’t caught on yet… despite the eyeliner, he’s the most normal looking of the bunch, and he has a beard like they do.

They’re gonna be disappointed.

most of you voted for the uniparty all your lives
most of you voted for the uniparty all your lives
1 month ago
Reply to  El Trumpedo

According to whom? I bet the Vance story is nonsense.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
1 month ago
Albert
Albert
1 month ago

I don’t like losing a war. But recent history shows that if you want to win a war, you need to avoid two situations: (1) don’t fight people that are asymmetrically committed to winning (that’s the lesson from our adventures in Vietnam and Afghanistan); and (2), don’t fight a country that can blow your economy out of the water (which happens to be an option that Iran now has). Obama’s negotiation strategy vis-a-vis Iran is looking more and more clever as Trump is flailing to get out of his self-inflicted war trap.

Frosty
Frosty
1 month ago
Reply to  Albert

The entire world (excepting Fox News) knows that Trump is a liar ~ and a shitty liar at that.

So without credibility, Trump simply walks further out onto the thinning ice.

CzarChasm Reigns
CzarChasm Reigns
1 month ago
Reply to  Frosty

It’s the greatest reality tv administration in history.
Nothing but lies and endless bullshit.
Intended for entertainment purposes only.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
1 month ago

Coming soon, to a theater near you: Post Apocalyptic Wasteland!

Tenacious D
Tenacious D
1 month ago
Reply to  Albert

How about instead of “I don’t like losing a war,” we try “I don’t like going abroad in search of monsters to destroy,” or “I don’t like to live by the sword because I’d like to live a long peaceful life and not die by the sword,” or, “I don’t like to fight unnecessary wars”.

Peace
Peace
1 month ago
Reply to  Tenacious D

Before meeting with BiBi.

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
1 month ago
Reply to  Albert

I like it when the bad guys lose a war.

LM2020
LM2020
1 month ago

Not a fog of diplomacy, a fog of dementia. Trump is clearly just making things up now. His mental health crisis is about to crash everything.

Tom
Tom
1 month ago

This is such a classic move. “When did you stop beating your wife?”. The opener screws you. Just like this screws Iran

Present a 15-point plan and claim that your opponent has seen this, helped you develop it, and is open to this 15-point plan.

Anything Iran says other than,” I love this idea” can be used against them.

When is he going to figure out that it’s not going to work because everyone recognizes he is a liar

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
1 month ago
Reply to  Tom

He will never understand that people know he’s lying. He believes lies as soon as they fly out of his trumphole.

He’ll just call them evil.

Tenacious D
Tenacious D
1 month ago
Reply to  Tom

Narcissists are characterized by a low sense of self-awareness. That is why he is never going to figure it out.

I’m back robbyrob
I’m back robbyrob
1 month ago

Meanwhile The Treasury just declared the U.S. insolvent.

https://archive.ph/2lYI7

Frosty
Frosty
1 month ago
Reply to  Mike Shedlock

Correct Mike.

What is your take on today’s Treasury auction time extension into tomorrow because of a lack of uptake?

Quatloo
Quatloo
1 month ago

Pakistan, who nominated Trump for a Nobel Peace Prize, is going to mediate?

Iran would be crazy to trust this process. They should send a low-level representative to attend with no authority to agree to anything.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
1 month ago
Reply to  Quatloo

Somebody morbidly obese, addled, and incontinent, that Trumpstien can identify with.

Tenacious D
Tenacious D
1 month ago
Reply to  El Trumpedo

And who shows up with a 12-pack of diet coke to share with Orange Julius (Caesar)

Frosty
Frosty
1 month ago
Reply to  Quatloo

Someone they want to be killed as there has been no restraint in assassinating as much of Irans leadership as possible.

Interesting that the US Treasury auction had to be extended into tomorrow because of a lack of bidders. Even with the recent increase in yield… Game on!

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
1 month ago
Reply to  Frosty

Somebody has figured out where the leash is?

Jojo
Jojo
1 month ago
Reply to  Quatloo

Losers don’t have a say in how things move forward.

Neil
Neil
1 month ago
Reply to  Jojo

Which is why Trump is trying so many desperate moves to talk to Iran – Iran has no incentive to do so since it has Trump by the balls. It has nothing to lose, while Trump is getting battered left and right.

Phil in CT
Phil in CT
1 month ago
Reply to  Jojo

This explains why Trump is begging for an exit

dtj
dtj
1 month ago

What happened to dealmakers Kushner and Witkoff? Apparently Rubio and Vance are in charge of negotiations now.

What they fail to mention is the Iranian official they are negotiating with is a random street food vendor in Tehran who claims he is the leader. The ‘gift’ he gave Trump is a falafel shaped like the Hormuz Strait.

Mick
Mick
1 month ago
Reply to  dtj

That’s kind of mean. We need to work on having functional toilets and laundry rooms first.

Augustine
Augustine
1 month ago
Reply to  dtj

Vance and Rubio are Roman Catholics, not adepts of Pharisaism as their predecessor negotiators.

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