Some readers objected to my use of the word Gestapo to describe ICE. Let’s investigate.
Nothing Like the Gestapo
ICE detain Native American—punch him repeatedly even after complying with face scan. Mother brought passport & birth certificate but agents didn’t care—just joked that he “wasn’t really from here.” “Police can you help us?” she begs officers just watching. “We’re citizens!” Jose “Beto” Roberto Ramirez was born in the U.S.—and is a member of the Red Lake Band of Chippewa Indians located in north central Minnesota.
Nothing Like the Gestapo
ICE agents violently detained a Virginia mother while she was driving her daughter to school because she couldn’t recite her Social Security number from memory, even after showing full, valid legal documents. This isn’t professionalism. It’s intimidation, incompetence, and abuse of power.
Nothing Like the Gestapo
Translated from Portuguese: NO, it is not Cuba, nor Venezuela, nor North Korea, countries where, according to the Western media, there would be human rights violations every day. It is in Arkansas, in the United States, where three police officers beat a defenseless citizen in this way.
Nothing Like the Gestapo
Good’s last words to Ross: “That’s fine dude, I’m not mad at you.” Ross after shooting and killing her seconds later: “F*ckin’ b*tch.”
Clearly, nothing like the Gestapo.
Body Cam
Nothing Like the Gestapo
Nothing Like the Gestapo
That’s clearly nothing like the Gestapo.
Signed Laws Don’t Matter
Nothing Like the Gestapo
Nothing Like the Gestapo
For months, ICE and Border Patrol agents have been firing chemical weapons inches from innocent people’s faces, spraying pepper spray into vehicles, with children inside, as they drive past. Yesterday, that escalation turned deadly: an agent fired his gun at a legal observer as she tried to drive away from an unlawful assault of a U.S. citizen. This isn’t rare. We have hundreds of videos showing ICE and Border Patrol illegally detaining U.S. citizens, assaulting U.S. citizens, and firing weapons at U.S. citizens.
DHS has lied about every single incident. Video evidence is the only reason the public knows these abuses are happening. That’s why this administration is trying to label people who film ICE and Border Patrol as “domestic terrorists.” But, the truth is the opposite: this administration is using ICE and Border Patrol to terrorize U.S. citizens. Filming ICE and Border Patrol agents is the only thing standing between the truth and total impunity.
Nothing Like the Gestapo
Nothing Like the Gestapo
In a Sam’s Club parking lot in Cicero, Illinois… just outside Chicago… federal agents illegally deployed pepper spray into a moving vehicle with a baby in the back seat. The family had gone to Sam’s Club to buy groceries. When they saw agents and helicopters, they decided to leave the area to avoid any trouble. As they went to leave, agents in a black pickup truck threw pepper spray into the driver’s side window, while passing in the opposite direction. The powder hit the driver directly in the face… while their one-year-old sat behind them. The family wasn’t following the agents. They weren’t protesting. They were simply trying to go home.
Nothing Like the Gestapo
In Chicago’s Little Village, ICE agents shot pepper balls into a man’s car. When he stepped out coughing, they fired at him again… Then just drove away. Because apparently it’s harder to be held accountable for assault if you do a drive-by.
Nothing Like the Gestapo
Nothing Like the Gestapo
ICE/Border Patrol agents returned a baby to her family with bruises on her face. This was after they took her for hours, following the arrest of her father, a U.S. citizen… without contacting her family or CPS. When she came back, she also had a dirty diaper, a rash, and was exhausted.
Nothing Like the Gestapo
Analysis from a retired FBI firearms instructor.
Nothing Like the Gestapo
Armed Border Patrol agents entered Roosevelt High School, tackled people, detained staff, and used chemical agents on bystanders. This is Trump’s America.
Nothing Like the Gestapo
Nothing Like the Gestapo
“I think we’re gonna see those deportation numbers ramp up as we get more and more people online, working for ICE, going door to door“
Just Obey
Don’t Worry, It’s Only a Clerical Error
Coverup In Progress
Please note FBI Blocks State Law Enforcement From ICE Shooting Investigation
The FBI had originally agreed to a joint investigation on Wednesday, said Drew Evans, superintendent of the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension. On Thursday, the FBI said it would solely handle the investigation and would no longer provide state law enforcement with access to case materials or evidence.
“Without complete access to the evidence, witnesses and information collected, we cannot meet the investigative standards that Minnesota law and the public demands,” Evans said. “As a result, the BCA has reluctantly withdrawn from the investigation.”
Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem said Minnesota law enforcement doesn’t have any jurisdiction in the investigation. The FBI’s Minneapolis office didn’t respond to a request for comment.
In a separate incident on Thursday, a Border Patrol agent shot two people in Portland. Homeland Security said the agent fired a defensive shot when the driver attempted to run over agents.
Vice President JD Vance defended an ICE agent’s fatal shooting of Renee Nicole Good, citing “absolute immunity” and calling her death a “tragedy of her own making.”
Gestapo Tactics
Gestapo tactics refer to oppressive, often brutal methods used by a secret police force to control populations, involving intimidation, surveillance, arbitrary arrest, psychological torture, forced confessions, and making people “disappear” to crush dissent and maintain totalitarian power. Key tactics include using fear, terrorizing citizens through informers, creating a climate of suspicion, and bypassing legal processes to imprison or eliminate opponents without trial.
Essentially, Gestapo tactics involve using fear, secrecy, and violence to eliminate political opposition and maintain absolute control, characteristic of authoritarian states.
Those arrested by the Gestapo were often held without judicial process. The power of the Gestapo was used to focus upon political opponents and ideological dissenters.
Apologies Offered
I have analyzed all of these videos and have come to the shocking conclusion that ICE Is Nothing Like the Gestapo.
Q: Why?
A: The Gestapo did not wear masks.
So, ignore the fact that Trump is using fear, secrecy, and violence to eliminate political opposition and maintain absolute control.
Ignore the fact that people are held with no judicial process.
Ignore the fact that people are deported to third world countries where they are tortured.
Ignore the fact that filming a crime can get you arrested.
Ignore the fact that people simply disappear and relatives have no idea where they are.
Ignore the fact that if you look Hispanic or Native American, you are racially profiled and you better have proof of citizenship on you at all times.
Ignore the fact that even if you have have proof of citizenship on you, you are likely to be beaten by racist goons.
Finally, please ignore the threats of door-to-door searches. After all, this is a “Christian Nation” and they are not coming for you … yet.
So, don’t be fooled. ICE is nothing at all like the Gestapo.
Tell me your politics and I can likely predict if you defend this as “Nothing Like the Gestapo”
Meanwhile Please Play This Over and Over
Repeat after me “This is nothing like the Gestapo”
Every news station in the country should play that video over and over and over, explaining how and why these are not Gestapo tactics.
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Contrary to popular myth, I am not doing this for clicks
I am losing readers
I don’t care.
I want to take a stand
All who crossed the border illegally committed a crime by that act. They do not deserve to stay here. It’s that simple Mish
Legal US citizens also deserve to stay, be free of illegal search and seizures, not be profiled for race, religion, etc., nor be subjected to torture or inhumane treatment while being detained or under arrest.
I am NOT A CITIZEN, but.a legal Permanent Resident Alien–after 46 years in the USA.
Back then, PRA non-reporting status was given to me knowing my first allegiance would be to another country, but I brought significant advantages to the US to live here permanently.
I could, of course, apply for citizenship at any time, but why would I? To vote for morons of either party?
Never been searched, seized, profiled, tortured, etc. although I was threatened once with a $5,000 fine for not reporting the movement of my vessel within 48 hours–even though I had properly entered the US in Florida.
Have you checked your paperwork ? Any mistakes in it makes you eligible for deportation.
You shouldn’t apply for citizenship – don’t bring attention to yourself.
Wait til this Admin is gone.
I’m sure you are a nice guy in all. But seriously, every sensible person left of right believes that.
Virtue signaling post of the year so far
David do you think everyone being deported is being given Due Process as the Constitution requires?
Do any of the people who crossed the borders illegally went by due process?
They are entitled to a hearing. Instead ICE Geastapo goons are smashing faces into the ground, holding people in deplorable conditions, presuming people are guilty on the basis of looks, and morons look away.
No.
Do I care, honestly, depends on the case.
The people that voted for Biden are responsible for this mess!
There are convicted murders,rapists, and other felonies convicted in their own country that are now here illegally. I could fucking care less about their due process. If you do, then you can feel morally superior to me and I dont really care. I hope they run free in your neighborhood while they are waiting for their due process.
Will you finally admit now how many illegal aliens and a higher % then of violent illegals came here under Bidens 4 years?
And you expect what 16 million people was it? to now all get due process?
The system is set up to give them all due process? The system was over loaded before this
Many of you people here denied the problem and now that the problem is worse than you thought you actually think the system is setup to give all these people now due process? You have to be living in a fantasy world to think the government even has the resourses to do just that right now.
They intentionally over loaded the system , you denied it and now many of you people that think oh but wait the system says everyone gets due process. And you want me to lose sleep over it?
Good luck with that.
“The rights of non-white Americans in exchange for combating illegal immigration is a sacrifice I, a white person, am willing to make.
Struggling to figure out if this was supposed to be an ironic joke post or whether you really mean that. Hoping for your kids that it is the former.
Yeah right, a hundred bucks says he was serious
Did you see what color that lady was?
They’ll kill white people happily. RICH people are the only ones that are safe.
I am a privileged white male as well, and you’re taking the despicable easy way out. You’re okay with it because it isn’t affecting you. It is not being done legally or per the Constitution, therefore you should not support it if you believe in the Constitution.
I agree with these people broke the law. Make the law stiffer. With that being said Congress has not passed any major immigration reform since Regan error. There have been time when dems had full control and republicans have been in control. Plus time for comprise at any point. Congress under republican right now could pass anything they want. You need to ask why are they letting trump do the dirty work. You could say corporations down to construction and farmers (prob most republicans) want the cheap labor. To some degree thats probably right. Imo the bigger picture is a consolidation of power in the hands of the one percent. Culture wars are all the republicans have because their policies do not help the average citizen. Ie you and me.
Trickle down economics / smaller government means less taxes for the wealthy: chance to privatize gov services and profit. / oh hear is one. Cut funding for programs then complain how inefficient government is / cut funding to the irs so they cant afford to investigate the wealthy.
FYI, the Reagan ‘error’ was trusting Democrats to fulfill their side of the immigration bargain.
What was that error. Reagan realized it was to expensive to boot them out also wanted it as a plus for republican votes.
“… Reagan rejected the pointless cruelty and economic disruption of a campaign to deport 5 million people who lacked legal status but were simply trying to support themselves and their families. “I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and lived here, even though sometime back they may have entered illegally…”
He signed onto the ACT with the understanding the provisions for enforcement:
The ACT specifically strengthened enforcement at the southern border. But that goal was not met. After initially declining by half, apprehensions of unauthorized immigrants at the border surged to their pre-reform level of 1.6 million by 1996, only a decade after passage of the act,
So, who was the f’ing president in 1996 who did NOT enforce the laws of the USA?
I don’t know why any immigration reform was needed. You want to immigrate, you ask nicely and fill out forms. If you don’t do it right you get sent home or go to jail. Reform seems to mean “getting around the rules”.- “We deviated from procedure and now there are a million people here who shouldn’t be here, what do we do now?” Retroactively change the rules. Reform.
a million? 16 million is the avg number I heard under Biden.
And 15 million were vetted properly? But they still downvoted you
Why? doesn’t fit the left narrative but makes them look bad so they deflect
just a number as an example, I could’ve said zillion. The first calls for “reform” to get around things may have been closer to a literal million, years ago.
I understand John. Thank you. I was just pointing this out because people here are underplaying I should say have denied, ignored, then under reported and downplayed how significant this illegal surge was
So now on avg you have more people that are convicted criminals and violent people in America now than before.
The day before this event ICE removed a convicted murderer in MN, he was convicted in his home country. He was here and being a criminal.
So all these groups that are fighting ice are part of the problem because they are stopping the removal of violent criminals.
These groups were not here created or doing this under the Obama Admin
Yes, it does look bad for some instances what ICE is doing but its no longer the same playing field
I don’t know where people here come from, but when you get met with violence, you return it back in a violent way
Liberals do not think rationally. They repeat what they are told… ICE is GESTAPO!
You’re just as guilty as those at whom you so casually throw rocks.
And here you are, making as much noise as possible about it to distract from the point being discussed.
You sound a lot like another Reasonable Nazi that used to post on here a few months ago. Have you rebadged?
Your hypocrisy is unbelievable. The Orange fool allowed the genocidal murderer Netanyahu into the damned White House and he is a violent criminal!!
Hypocrisy is part of the right’s flex, now that they are in power.
The exact answer to illegal immigration is fines and imprisonment for the people who hire them
No jobs, no immigrants
Agreed along with that set a system in place that works.
How about businesses who need workers. Think tyson. Have to contact an employment service in say mexico. Tyson makes the decision to hire a person passes the interview. . They are vetted before the boarder. then show up at the boarder with a number etc. Processed with rules and timeframe and stiff consequences. Put the expense more on the business instead of the tax payer.
Want to apply for asylum. You have to go to a us embassy in a country adjacent to your own. File forms. Zoom court appearances etc. if you pass you get a number and processed at the boarder.
Admittedly, there are bad players who take advantage of illegal aliens.
I completely agree that people who hire illegal aliens for domestic work, (cleaning, gardening, child care etc) should be fined and imprisoned.
Along with those driving trucks, working in the fields, repairing cars, meat production, etc.
imprisoned. you are crazy. so make every person who hires a maid or a pool boy or lawn service be an agent of the central government and on the hook for prison. my god the stupid is scary. let go of the hate. life is better.
I think the illegal ruse is a canard.
The real targets are American citizens who are troublesome & don’t comply.
yup. borders have been wide open for centuries. north and south.
An older gentleman who visits Mexico regularly once told me that the border was never really a serious problem until 9/11.
lived in AZ for 13 years. tons of family from there going back to when the spanish owned it. sometimes borders just move on you. 9.11.01 for sure tightened border for a little while. but the people in heartland demanded cheap labor for ranches and meat packers and hotel maids………..borders in world history are usually wide open and humans migrate for many reasons. the iron curtain was probably the tightest border in our lives. and i know pals who defected and got out. from the teens who jumped the berlin wall and made it to squatting on lower east side of manhattan to my pals at columbia u, in early 80s who had defected from poland and russia………..my polish pal went back to join lech walesa to protest the commie police state. it seems like MAGA want to emulate the iron curtain. wait for the moment when some POTUS tells YOU that you cannot leave. that’s the real mindfuck.
I do think about being able to move money out of the country or being able to receive government funds like SSA if you choose to live abroad.
SS will pay you no matter where you reside. medicare won’t work unless you come back for care. but most countries it is quite reasonable to buy health care coverage.
Much longer, actually. 😉
correct. didn’t want to give any of the geezer hate mongers a stroke. borders have been wide open in amerika for probably 40,000 years. of course animals have fluid borders too. dinosaur borders ?
Europe is now asking for an entry document and biometric data for each country entered. We cancelled this year’s trip given that and the possible coming war. I’m too old to deal with bureaucrats and red tape.
Bullshit! Travelled extensively in Europe last fall and nothing like that exists…
I think it starts this year?
I didn’t know that we had Planes, Trains, Ships and the like back then. I was under the impression that until we had them, there were “No Borders” in the U.S. that could be crossed? Unless you were a really, really Great Swimmer… Or lived in Mexico or Canada.
Sorry, no. The United States officially began to control its borders with the establishment of the U.S. Border Patrol on May 28, 1924. However, since British ships were sunk during the War of Independence, one could argue for 1776.
More importantly, it is irrelevant. There are now laws with penalties in effect which make crossing said borders illegal unless specified conditions are met.
millions of people each year cross borders without proper paperwork all over the globe. including usa. this is history 101. get a grip dude. eastern russia has been inundated with chinese when those ghost towns were created after fall of USSR. this stuff is so basic. don’t care about your personal background. you still seem pathetically naive to the actual world.
You don’t know me, so you have a rather limited view. My point above is I came to the US legally. In fact, my government had to officially inform the US State Department that I was ‘allowed’ to leave. That approval was conducted to DC by courier.
Do you seriously believe that 10,000,000 illegal immigrants will contribute to the US as much as the programs run in the 1980s to recruit foreign grad-student geniuses at MIT, among other places? Back then, there were free rides, full tuition, travel, food, accommodation, health…all paid for in some cases.
Wherever there is uncontrolled immigration, there are problems. Know anyone from Europe? Ask them,
i have eu passport and usa passport. idiots exist everywhere. i like reality and history and anthropology. i said tens millions cross borders world wide each year. just a fact of world history. been going on for thousands of years. wonderful you have proper paperwork. do not give a fuck. you know the nazis never broke laws when they marched the jews and gypsies and homos to the work and death camps. all legal and stuff. proper paperwork.
Russia doesn’t have an immigration problem. Their solution was to make it suck so badly there, nobody would try to get in.
We’re headed that way.
How far back do you want to go ? People have been coming to America illegally since america existed. Do you want yo deport their descendants ?
Yes, all of em. Indiana for the Indians!!!!
Which Indians?
Feather
The correct response is arrow, not dot.
The bindi can… “signify marital status, spiritual insight, and the third eye, which is associated with wisdom and intuition….” Some Indians might be offended by ‘dot’.
My bad.I Apologize to my Indian brothers and sisters. The ones without the arrows.
Honestly. Promise not to laugh?
I stole that from old Sheriff Lucian Connally of Walt Longmire fame..
Those “indians” that have been fighting each other
for territory, long before any “whites” arrived.
pinks. not whites.
let’s kick out all humans from the amerikas. non humans only. planet of the apes. like a MAGA rally
Well that’s an interesting point. I do not have the documentation from my my great-great-great-great-grandparents showing that they arrived at this country legally.
I can tell you what country they came from but does that matter?
Does this make me an illegal alien?
The Trump admin is saying birthright citizenship doesnt exist for those here illegally or their descendants. Children of illegals who were born here are being deported as well.
Can we check if all of Trumps ancestors were fully documented?
Even better that prick Vance!
my grandfather was a true WOP. if they deport me, it would be glorious and my payday, too. long live pax dumbfuckistan. imagine the morons that play the red v blue team game.
Someone should check.
The US Supreme Court might have a different ruling. Meanwhile, foreigners come here to ‘drop’ the baby and take advantage of your social programs.
Meanwhile, ignorant a-holes wonder why the cost of health care is so high.
Did we even have or know what borders were back then? We just arrived to the Continent and didn’t even truly travel to CA. Until the gold rush. I don’t believe we even knew what exactly existed as America for many decades after that. When did the Everglades get founded and named? I believe in the early 1900’s maybe?
And this is what makes it all a slippery slope. Where and when should the time and lines be drawn.
3 generations and all men over 45, exterminated in camps. their semen is too weak. hat tip margaret atwood.
Try enforcing the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986. It was passed by BOTH houses and Reagan signed it. Then Clinton blew it off, along with Monica
You are confusing “illegally” with “not needing to be officially processed”. In 1800 if a European wanted to go to America they got on a boat and went. That’s not “illegally”.
nazis never broke the law. the jews, had been designated illegal due to their religion. what could go wrong thinking that laws are the final solution to your problems. pardon the pun.
‘Illegally’ would occur only if there were statues in force at the time.
Rational minds understand that. Flea brains have difficulty.
All of a sudden you’re about rule of law?
This is a truly moronic misuse of precedent.
If Mish is picking up their tab then I may be good with it.
But they are still protected by the Constitution. Due process applies to all people and none of that is going on.
There is not even due process for people who are multi-generational citizens of this country with no criminal record.
You seem hell-bent on overlooking everything that doesn’t fit your narrative. That makes you incredibly ignorant. Even a 4-year-old can recognize reality
“due process” for some people might be arrest, charges, a hearing, appeal,verdict all of that. “Due process” for other people might be apprehension and deportation.
Due process for people being deported according to written law means a hearing in front of a qualified judge. Not a juried trial. Trump could batch them by 10,000 per case and give them all due process but he doesn’t care about law and order to even attempt to give them their Constitutionally protected rights.
Actually, the Supreme Court extended constitutional protections to all aliens within the United States.
The specific clause is : “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”
Applied to birthright citizenship is murky. Is an baby at the moment of birth subject to US Jurisdiction?
There is a complicating issue… Does another country have prexisting jurisdiction? Can the baby of two Chinese tourists, when born in the US, immediately have US citizenship. Actually, China has a preexisting claim of jurisdiction, by recognizing the child of Chinese citizens as CHINESE, wherever the child is born.
Sure. And how is that relevant to the murder of an American citizen?
The equation you don’t understand now is one group,today brown then green the drinkers smoker’s knows who is next is that simple….
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It’s a civil infraction not a crime. If you get basic facts wrong don’t opine on who deserves what.
Do you support the behavior excited by ICE in these videos? Do you support door to door searches?
What does that have to do with a masked pig shooting a woman in the face?
Greenacr, do you support their receiving Due Process as afforded to them by the US Constitution? If so, do you think all those people are getting their Due Process?
It’S ThAt SimPlE but it seems that a) every US citizen is now on the hook for unwarranted search/seizure, profiling, having orders barked at them, being threatened, shouted down, and possibly being fatally shot at point blank range depending on how an agent interprets your intentions. Woops!
and b) a whole lot of people are a-ok with this but they can’t see further than their own nose and so don’t realise that it’s going to be just as bad if not worse for them in the future if you don’t put a stop to this nonsense right now. Don’t be one of them.
bully bully. calling out nazis in a crumbling evil empire ain’t great for business. never was.
Mish, I think you are overreacting on this one, but don’t go away. You keep expanding my grasp of government statistics.
Your’e right, your government is out of control, seizing heads of state, threatening to annex democracies, where in gods name does this end. This administration requires pushback and muzzling.
This admin requires arrest and prosecution.
In the Declaration of Independence Jefferson wrote that when a form of government becomes destructive, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it and institute a new one.
This admin is without doubt destructive to the life, liberty and happiness of the American people, specifically those people of color and people with left leaning politics. It’s definitely time to change the admin if not our whole form of govt.
– Jefferson wrote that when a form of government becomes destructive, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it and institute a new one.
> We did Just That. We removed the “Destructive Democrats” and replaced them with the “Destructive Republicans” and in 4 or 8 years from now, we will do it again…
Maybe it’s time to change the basic system?
Perhaps, but we still have to live within the system we are currently in, if or until such time…
And killing American citizens.
First rule of holes – when you are in one, STOP digging!
That rule best applies to our National Debt. My question is how many people can you put into a life boat before is sinks? The NO VACANCY sign should have been put up 20myears ago.
Mike I am totally with you that ice is the US gestapo and this is not about ideology this is whether or not that we are human
What ice did to the American Indians in that video is un American tyranny!
“… I want to take a stand.”
The same way you took a stand in Chicago, Mish? You left for a reason–Chicago was liberal Hell.
Are you now advocating for more of liberal Hell at the Federal level? The liberal hive mind is alive and thriving on Mish Talk, regardless of clicks.
I don’t remember your stance on Rodney King and Black Lives Matter. IMHO, I see a pattern, only this time it will be White Lesbians Matter. Perhaps if you researched the NGOs funding the ICE resistance movement you might see the ‘pattern.’
Here’s an AI answer…
“Far-left groups, including Indivisible Twin Cities, are reportedly funding the anti-ICE protests, with significant financial backing from organizations like Soros’ Open Society Foundations. Additionally, there are concerns about hidden funding sources and potential ties to activist organizations receiving federal grants.”
and it’s not being done to help immigrants.
I’m sure Mike is a good guy, and I would hate to dump him in that category but man I agree with your sentiment Flingel.
A boss of mine told me a story, not that long ago maybe 6 years ago. He is in NC , drove down with his NY plated car, has property in both states
Comes out of the liquor store, side by side to someone, they said hi, looked at his plates and send welcome to NC, just don’t bring all your bullshit liberal attitude and policies that you vote for down here to NC.
Have a nice evening!
LOL
All these judgment’s y’all pass on Mish sure are going to devastate him, how will he ever recover from the beatings at the hands of several unpaying customers? /s 😉
Mish: I’m very disappointed in you. I used to enjoy reading your articles on economic issues. I think your website is now a Trump bashing website. The majority of the comments are also Trump bashing regardless of the topic. I don’t think it was good for you to rush to judgement in the MN ice shooting. Stating it was racial profiling and acting like this woman didn’t do anything wrong was the last straw. I agree Trump is far from perfect. Harris would’ve been a lot worse. A lot of the things Trump is trying to fix was caused by Biden and the Democrats. The US is still the best country in the world even with all of our faults.
Lost Reade
The question is not whether she did anything wrong (though I don’t think she did). The question is whether anything other than absolute obedience deserves a summary execution.
No. “Deserve” has got nothing to do with it. The question is whether – for all three shots fired – the officer had a reasonable fear of imminent death or grievous bodily injury. This 12 minute video has a good, nuanced take on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80dD3lwcPPM
And you are the judge and jury? Am I? No. And neither is anyone here
And they proved that by calling him a murderer like many here have done multiple times,(not saying that is you) is proof they are not capable of even being on the jury
One look at the government’s published rules of engagement for this Jonathan Hall guy show that he broke loads of their policies, and under no circumstances were his firing at her appropriate, and the 2nd and 3rd shots were particularly egregious.
Everyone lives in one of two realities now. We can’t reconcile them currentlly
It should be noted that the most extreme “rush to judgment” has been by Trump, Vance & Noem regarding the Minneapolis shooting. They immediately exonerated the officer without waiting for an investigation. Dumb – because that clearly colors the feds’ decision to not cooperate with the MN Bureau of Criminal Apprehension in investigating. Vance’s proclamation that the officer has “absolute immunity” is wrong & ridiculous. Could an ICE officer purposely shoot an infant in the head in their stroller and have immunity? Obviously not. Their liability always depends upon the circumstances. Thus it’s not “absolute”.
I was struck by how the shooter walked away afterward, in the other direction.
Don’t cops go check on the people they shoot?
Post traumatic shock, maybe?
Only if they care whether the person they shot 3 times lives or dies…or if they fear accountability for their actions.
I saw no fear on his face at all.
Why? the shooter? what video?
If you’re asking such questions, how did you get here in the comments without checking any of those things first? Shoot first, ask questions later?
I mentioned that from day one, it was my earliest post on this days ago
Great point.
Protect and serve. Once the threat, real or imagined is over, you serve.
They did not do that, and that is inexcusable
In this case he said “F that B” as he walked away, after smoking her face. Go check the videotape
I agree with you. Also add in just about everybody posting here
Truth, supporting Trump’s claims = supporting what he said without access to the evidence = not questioning Dear Leader
Laura, ever notice the use of PEDO? Its like a bunch of 5th graders.
The word comes up a lot when the president is a pedo. Cry all you like, it’s going to be in your face until he’s gone.
ok, that was a 6th grade comment.
That is the problem right there Mike, you listening??????????
Allowing shit like this .Constantly calling someone who has not been charged of convicted of such crime guilty of being a pedo
At best its childish.
Again, grow the fuck up asshole . What annoys me is your childish behaviour and commentary.
When you stick to the topic your a bright guy, unfortunately your childish behavior always kicks in
Here ya go David>
The word comes up a lot when the president is probably a pedo.
Fixed it for the stupid people.
“The word comes up a lot when the president is probably a pedo.”
With who? You & Trumpedo?
You know the shit you democrats accuse people of you have been doing for a hundred years.
Trump was probably in his 40s? when he made the comment I like them young. So does every red blooded male at 40
But to you morons with TDS , take it out of context and state as fact that he wants to have sex with a minor and did have sex with a minor.
Thats libelous and slander but hey, your a liberal, you can say anything you want
The arrogance of some of you is off the charts
Literally millions of people are calling him a pedo. Publicly and in print.
He hasn’t sued a soul.
Yep, it’s a head scratcher…
Something about cognitive dissonance being deafening?
You’re funnier when you’re angry
Your fixation with children is… odd.
Says the guy supporting the Kindergartner in Chief
For cognitive dissonance examples, see my t shirt post just above. Aye, matey.
Two conservatives I was with on Wednesday night had shirts that read on the back “Shoot your local pedos”
Bye! Bye!
And thank you Mish for getting rid of another MAGA troll!
Everything works out for the best!
Aww… I don’t get to play with them anymore.
Your country is NOT the best in the world, may well have been 50 yrs ago, no one believes the BS anymore. If I were young again the US would be the last place on the planet I woukld seek to settle. Travel first before spouting this tripe.
Limey, I agree with the point of your post. And the Trumpers that over hype America. And that is not Laura, I like most of her posts.
But I have a question for you
Then why the hell are so many people, last I checked under Biden came here from 100 countries in the last 5 years?
Can you explain why?
You are correct, it might not be the best country in world, but it is better than most and not nearly as bad as you think it is
PS: Laura, don’t go. We need some balance here.
It is the same here, we have had uncontrolled immigration for many years with every nationality here despite the climate and cuisine.
I would suggest most recent immigrants to the US are fleeing gangs, wars , poverty etc most probably from third world countries.
As I don’t live in a country with these issues as indeed do most Europeans there is no attraction to moving to the US. My wife, an East European , has lived in the US and has no desire to return there.
I know exactly what the US is like, I have probably visited 30+ times
,I have US friends and have experienced genuine US warmth and friendship. I should add that I’m white, in my 60’s, educated and not seeking US employment.
I will not have to work until I drop for healthcare and I don’t live in a car or trailer.
Laura has spouted crap here for a long time that shows a tenuous grasp of reality, her best was China will crater after Trumps imposition of tariffs, well they grew a backbone and didn’t.
Every empire rises and falls and the US is in the decendent.
Appreciate the dialogue.
Be well.
You Trump wussies sure are weak
This is only the beginning. Jim Stewartson has been telling the truth about Trump since 2016.
We are headed very quickly to a quasi state of martial law.
This is about the threat of violence to do everything. It isnt authoritarianism. Its totalitarianism.
https://www.mind-war.com/p/no-authority-only-violence
Who, exactly, is Jim Stewartson?
He is a technocrat who uses a mass-media pulpit to communicate his opinion–his view of the world. It remains to be seen how much is truth, or self-delusion.
I strongly suspect the latter dominates–but I admit my bias. HE DOESN’T.
What is clear from ‘MIndWar’ is he is using his gaming experience for mind-control, only he is not honest enough to admit it. Modern society has devolved to a culture of ‘opinionizing,’ reflecting limited and very-fixed mindsets. Opinions are absolute.
Despite what you think, the result is zero critical thinking. I say that because Stewartson’s mind is singularly focused. Critical thinking requires an open mind–to ALL things, including conspiracies, religion, and even pedophilia.
The end result? You (generically) don’t see the big picture. You will never truly understand. Intricacies are hidden that may be crucial. Instead, you repeat ad-infinitum the same garbage spouted from mass media.
Interesting that Americans are so eager to deny the similarities of our thugs to historic examples: GPU, Gestapo, Black & Tans.
I’ve known a lot of cops socially. They weren’t drawn from people with gentle instincts. Every cop I remember could tell a story of someone who got “out of line” and had to be knocked around a little. And every one enjoyed recounting his part in the knocking around.
You either keep your goons in check or you turn them loose on your fellow citizens. The Trump admin–now that it’s in power–clearly prefers the latter.
Bless you. Progress only matters when everyone benefits.
Thank you for taking a stand against the people who support ICE and their racist profiling. Anyone who supports ICE supports their racial profiling, and their mocking of people whose ancestors were in the USA centuries before it was the USA or any white people arrived. To those who support ICE, I don’t care if you think you are racist, but it’s racist to support their unequal treatment of people often NOT under the law.
Why did the democrats open the border for illegal immigration? Why did the democrats create welfare as a living with the Great Society in 1964 gaining congress for 30 years as a result? To take control of the Federal Government forever. Democrats are a danger to Democracy and the American citizen
They have the license plate and video evidence. Why didn’t the guy just get out of the way, go get a warrant, and go back and arrest her?
In the Mideast, Syria, Gaza, Iraq, Afganistan, for example, if a man, forgive the seism – is that that the word I want to use here ?, were dressed up and you couldn’t see his face – it was all covered up, and he was carrying a weapon, people would think he was up to no good and immediately label him a terrorist.
Mish has fallen into the low-information MSM trap of listing snippets of events, without details of each occurrence. The campaign for social justice of illegal immigration always involves government funding fraud, and profiteering by those that agitate the public.
Example: Renee Nicole Good was Minneapolis ‘ICE Watch Warrior’
nypost.com/2026/01/08/us-news/renee-nicole-good-was-minneapolis-ice-watch-warrior-who-trained-to-resist-feds-before-shooting/
Renee Good linked up with “ICE Watch”, a loose coalition of activists dedicated to disrupting ICE raids, through her son’s woke charter school. The group recently aligned itself with more radical organizations including Twin Cities Ungovernables. These extremists associate themselves with the George Floyd movement, that was ripe with fraud from the top.
LA has their network for disrupting ICE called CHIRLA. CHIRLA is funded through NPOs that funneled $34M in state taxes and government grants, including $1M from Biden’s pandemic bailout. With support from local DSA politicians and Mayor Bass. Independent reporters in Minneapolis will uncover a similar financing network.
Your breath reeks of boot leather
A native American detained for being an illegal? What an upside-down world we live in
OK, let’s say cops that shoot people, which they do. Cops shooting people is kind of a thing, cops mistake sudden movements for a threat, they shoot people running away, whatever, which actually happens at a rate greater than zero percent. Now let’s say EVERY SINGLE COP who shoots and kills someone is found guilty of either manslaughter, murder or attempted murder. If you find yourself in a business type confrontation with the police, you should be aware you can get shot for acting a certain way, or even COMPLYING FULLY. If the cop who kills you ends up in jail you can’t gloat HA HA you went to jail or threaten them with jail if you get killed. Everyone is arguing about whether this shooting was justified or not. That doesn’t matter at this point for the victim. Everyone is arguing on behalf of someone for whom the argument is of no consequence. You are only concerned with the continuation of events as you want to see them play out in your life. So you can forget most of what you are talking about and just say she did something really dumb, by any standard of reasonable risk taking, unless she intentionally wanted to give her life for a cause, which people do. If you intentionally give your life for a cause your death is rarely judged to be a crime. Yeah the Nazis were bad, she fought them, she died, you EXPECT that to happen. The conclusions drawn and subsequent events are an entirely different subject from whether this event SHOULD HAVE happened. It doesn’t matter to Renee Good whether it SHOULD HAVE happened, it only matters to you.
Send the cost of our illegal immigration problems to the Democratic National Party.
This group has cost The USA billions—-with their plan to build a new voter base
I can’t hear you with that boot in your mouth
Gestapo didn’t need to go door-to-door. All German citizens and lawful residents were registered with local authorities. The USA could actually use something like this.
As usual, some of your data are interesting while your analysis is lousy.
He said, drooling from the boot in his mouth
Many horrifying anecdotes
ICE has many bad actors. That was a given considering the necessary goal is to remove as many of the 20-30 million illegals who invaded under Biden
But despite the many horrifying misjudgments, ICE has the job of removing illegal entrants to the country
But I notice you DID NOT use such language during the former administration, which had MANY MORE Gestapo like actions particularly using the FBI
Arresting and prosecuting well over a thousand protesters who were invited into Congress by the police on Jan 6
Arresting and prosecuting people praying on the sidewalk of abortion clinics
Forcing MILLIONS of Americans to inject themselves with untested genetic medical intervention or forcing them out of their jobs
Prosecuting their main political rival
Debanking thousands of people over their political views
Censoring hundreds of thousands of people over their political views and creating an industrial strength government directed censorship framework
And many more
Now the difference is, one group is aimed at protecting our country, even if they are doing a poor job
The other group is aimed at destroying our country
Why did you not speak up in such a way during the regime of the latter?
That is one very sick brain.
By saying he has one very sick brain you do not agree with 1 statement there?
Really?
The forced covid vaccinations or you lose your job was ok?
Debanking was not going on?
Not only does David take the boot in his throat, but he turns around and spreads his cheeks right after
Well, in Mish’s defense he certainly criticized a large number of the former administrations abominable actions, guided by the string-pullers in the background. Albeit without using the term “Gestapo” – clearly interwoven with the postcard painter’s 1000 Year Reich vision (NWO anyone?). Which must be deeply offensive to many.
Paranoid.
Excellent commentary on the bias of the liberal mind
Minor infractions, such as Renne Good blocking the street with an SUV, are typically handled by local police, who issue a ticket or warning before dismissing the incident. Consequently, most people would view the shooting as excessive force. The officer fired the first shot, which might have been justifiable in court, but then he fired two additional shots at a 90-degree angle from the side—completely unnecessary. After shooting, his insulting words reveal malicious intent, showing he knew he was not at risk and shot the woman twice again, just to assert power rather than to enforce the law.
I agree. I was thinking it would have made sense to have local law enforcement deal with her blocking the street – assuming that was illegal. She was clearly there for some time and not presenting an imminent threat.
Good point Mick. And of course local police were told to stand down because it is a sanctuary city and is told to not cooperate with ICE . And this was an ICE matter.
Now you see the problem here?
Sure local police does not cooperate and now we have 501c NGOs paying idiots to harrass ICE to the point of creating a volatile situation
What could go wrong????
Good points. And 1 you are not addressing. And it goes to the root of the problem.
The local police. Told to stand down. That is a big part of the problem
If there could be some coordination with the local police and tell them, Hey Mr X is a convicted PEDO, Murderer and has other felonies and we want to come in and bring him into custody, lets work together on this , keep it as quiet as possible and usually less bad things are going to happen.
But no, these sanctuary cities are not cooperating at all.
Not only that, there are now formed groups of complete assholes like that woman who thinks that it is ok to do what she was doing. And for over 3 hours. There is new video floating around of her basically causing a neighborhood disturbance, disrupting traffic and all because her group thinks its ok to stop ICE from removing someone that they have no idea who it is and could have murdered or raped someones family member
But hey, her group and she thinks it more important to do what she was doing and I have a big problem with that
And yes, she should not have been shot and killed.
Everybody here including Mike is saying of course we are all for removing violent criminal illegal aliens.
Ok great. Now how about you tell the democratic party in this country to remove the obstacles they have put in place to do just that?
Otherwise its more virtual signaling .
Repeating Word salad of lies perpetuated by WH, cannot hide the truth that Renee Good pose zero threat. She had kind heart as just moments before dying she told that officer “I am not mad at you”. Yet that officer fired on her. Those officers had no business to be in MN under any pretext, so your assertion about local law enforcement also goes out the window.
oh now THAT’S BS, federal agencies can go anywhere, geographically, in the US, whenever they want to. They have nationwide offices. I bet you REALLY believe that though, that they had no business being in “MN”, which is the entire state.
Interesting that Americans are so eager to deny the similarities of our thugs to historic examples: GPU, Gestapo, Black & Tans.
I’ve known a lot of cops socially. They weren’t drawn from people with gentle instincts. Every cop I remember could tell a story of someone who got “out of line” and had to be knocked around a little. And every one enjoyed recounting his part in the knocking around.
You either keep your goons in check or you turn them loose on your fellow citizens. The Trump admin–now that it’s in power–clearly prefers the latter.
Mish. You are just plain wrong. Your group is allying with the people who want to destroy you after they finish destroying us.
What group, praytell, would that be? Those who want law and order without stooping to intimidation tactics and threats?
The Cheap Labor brigade has mobilized an army of mental misfits to physically challenge the enforcement of US Immigration Law.
How about we take a stand against those misfits and the billionaires who support them?
Mike, these are very troubling video vignettes and Twitter posts that you have provided, and all Americans have their Constitutional Right not to be subject to unwarranted and unreasonable search and seizure. Are you confident that these apparent victims of really bad policing did not contribute to the circumstance by initially failing to cooperate?
Yes, they are very troubling.
I am extremely confident of the lead videos and most of the rest. The footage is clear.
Thanks
Mike is it possible that two things—unlawful police conduct and pretextual provocation could both be true at the same time.
As I replayed the video of the ICE detention and assault on a member of the Red Lake Band of Chippewa Indians I noticed
at about 22 seconds an Officer says to the vehicle occupants: “So why were you guys running?”
To which the woman replies: “because you guys are scary people.” I agree that there is a personality type that is highly attracted to policing that loves dominating other people, and these folks do not make good police officers as they are prone to using apparent excessive force as in the video.
Since blue states started pushing back on ICE, it will now be one of the RED States’ turns. The Epstein scandal requires constant distractions. Could be Texas, given the upcoming March primaries. They say one thing and do another, like prepping ICE to invade a red state while folks are distracted by Greenland, MN, Rene Good shooting, Venezuela, and Mexico (fill in the blank)
I don’t agree with flouting the law with the Gestapo tactics. But I also didn’t enjoy the four years of the Biden administration flouting the law by allowing millions of illegals to flood our country. It takes extreme measures to counter extreme actions. Trump wasn’t doing this in 2016 because it wasn’t necessary. But quite a bit has changed since then.
You seem to suggest that harm from unconstitutional behavior can be corrected by using extreme measures which may also violate the Constitution. Do you see how dangerous this line of thinking is? That’s where we are at – the POTUS saying that he is bounded only by his own “morality” (dubious at best)
Mike, we’re here to support you. I would understand if you were lying, but you’re not lying. If people don’t support you because you’re telling the truth, then so be it. You will gain other readers.
All modern police departments require psychological exams for prospective officers. That’s because a certain personality type is highly attracted to policing. This personality type loves dominating other people, it is how they prove to themselves that they are important and powerful individuals that others should admire. They have little problem hurting and even killing others. These are the “bad apples” people talk about in police departments. ICE goes out of their way to attract these folks. They do it for a reason: they want the violence and they want to publicize the violence. The reason is they know the MAGA constituency loves it. To Trump, it isn’t about deporting illegals, it is about the show of power and violence. And MAGA people love it because they are, at a much higher proportion, people of faith and not reason. The evangelicals can find lots of instances in the Bible to promote violence which allows them to wallow in their more base instincts.
My post yesterday. 8 likes 6 dislikes(at the moment)
You know who deported(to his credit) more illegal aliens with a criminal record than any president in the last 3 decades? Hint it rhymes with your mama.
Not 1 response. So I will respond to myself
Now where was all the outrage then? THE MEDIA DIDN’T REPORT ON IT. WE WERE ALL TO BUSY CARRY ON WITH OUR LIVES AND MOST OF US WERE OK WITH ILLEGAL ALIENS THAT HAVE COMMITTED VIOLENT CRIMES TO BE DEPORTED
Why was there no media coverage of this back then? BECAUSE A DEMOCRAT WAS PRESIDENT AND IT DID NOT FIT THEIR ON GOING NARRATIVE THAT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS ALWAYS GOOD.
Why are you so outraged now but not then? PARTLY BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO CLUE OF WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON UNREPORTED FOR YEARS NOW
Why did you not complain about Gestapo jackbooted thugs back then? NOW THAT IS WHERE MIKE SEEMS TO HAVE A VALID POINT. HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE OR READ ABOUT SOME OF THOSE APPREHENSIONS WHEN OBAMA ADMIN WAS DEPORTING MORE VIOLENT FELONIUS ILLEGAL CRIMINALS. ON AVG IF THERE WERE MORE APPREHENSIONS THAN THEIR SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE VIOLENCE. IF THE MEDIA WOULD DO ITS ORIGINAL JOB AND STOP TAKING A SIDE BEFORE FACTS COME OUT AND REPORTED ON THIS WE WOULD HAVE SOME KIND OF ANSWER
What changed? THE FORMATION OF VARIOUS NGOs(ALL UNDER OR NOT REPORTED BY THE MEDIA AND APPARENTLY 80% OF YOU APOLOGISTS FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY ARE NOT AWARE OF. GROUPS LIKE MN FREEDOM FUND. MN 8. THERE ARE A DOZEN OR SO MORE. ALL SET UP TO FOLLOW ICE AROUND, CREATE A PUBLIC DISTURBANCE, WHICH ALSO GETS IN THE WAY MINE & YOURS FREE RIGHT TO BE ABLE TO DRIVE DOWN A STREET AND NOT HAVE SOMEONE BLOCK TRAFFIC FOR INSTANCE. TEACH HOW TO DE ARREST, WHATEVER THE HELL THAT IS SUPPOSED TO MEAN. SOME FUNDED BY NON CITIZENS AND GROUPS WHOSE ONLY GOAL IS TO CREATE CHAOS IN AMERICA. WELL DONE. A GROUP THIS WOMAN WAS PART OF. IN SOME OF THE POSTS YESTERDAY YOU STATED AS IF SHE WAS A WOMAN DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD AND GOT PULLED OVER FOR NO REASON.
ICE AGENTS HAVE HAD ROCKS THROWN AT THEM , THEIRS CAR RAMMED AND EVEN 1 WAS SHOT AT.
WAS THAT BEING DOWN WHEN OBAMA ADMIN ICE WAS DOING THIS? NO IT WASN’T. THESE NGOs HAVE CREATED THIS ENVIRONMENT AND THERE ARE JUST TOO MANY PEOPLE THAT THINK ITS MORE IMPORTANT TO ACT IRRATIONALLY IN FRONT OF ARMED OFFICERS AND SPEND THEIR TIME DRIVING AROUND HARASSING THEM WHILE YOUR PARTNER LOOKS ON ENCOURAGING YOU. I BET TODAY SHE IS NOT HAPPY ABOUT ALL HER LIKED AND UPVOTED SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS
IN THE END THAT DROVE HER TO CARE MORE ABOUT EITHER WHAT? SOME ILLEGAL ALIEN WITH A POSSIBLE CRIMINAL RECORD WHO COULD BE A VIOLENT CRIMINAL( DO WE EVEN FUCKING KNOW WHO THEY WERE GOING AFTER???) HOW IS THAT NOT IMPORTANT MEDIA??
In almost all my look up of the definition of murder its shows the word premeditated.
Did that officer wake and and intend on shooting someone?
More importantly was that officers gone drawn BEFORE the car came at him? Those calling this murder are either complicit in all the chaos that is going on or just a bunch of morons
One guy here yesterday made fun of my post about paid protestors stating as if there are not paid protestors(getting paid by these NGOs) Another clueless liberal democrat that has no idea what is going on in the the real and what his party has become. At least that post got no dislikes. Apparently many of you are not that clueless
As far as Gestapo, if we were being ruled by the Gestapo Mike would be dead by now and all of us posting here would have already heard the knock on our door.
Gestapo tactics? Ok. And its responding to a task that has now made their job infinitely harder thanks to all the NGOs paying people to harass and the physically attack them which most of you here living in your liberal mindless utopia do not even realize that is in the background on all of these attempted arrests.
And we can stick to some of the facts of the event and what led up to this? Do you hav to act like 5th graders with PEDO this PEDO that instead of virtual signaling or going back to a 100 years ago or regaling us about your John Wick(supposed) exploits?
Posts like all Americans should be able to walk freely without bla bla bla bla. Of fucking course we all believe that then the reality of what is going on in the background punches you in the face.
I am going back and nominating that post as virtual signaling post of the year
Down vote away
Your obsession with up/downvotes says everything about you.
And for more than 48 hours you have posted here and not tried to answer 1 question
That says all I need to know about you.
And the upvotes and downvotes are a good read on the echo chamber that is here
Am I your oracle? You clearly have no interest in learning anything, and are too goddamn stupid to do so if you had.
I’m not going to have a serious discussion with somebody spinning bullshit and distraction.
I don’t respect anybody that supports pedophiles.
So all I got left for you is mockery. I don’t even have a downvote for you.
Were Obama’s goons shooting US citizens in the head during the deportations? Was he sending people to El Salvador? The fact that you can’t see or tell the difference proves what a total moron you are to equivocate what Obama did to what Trump is doing. You’re just too dumb to be here or warrant responses.
The Outrage Machine was noticeably silent when Obama did it.
I wonder why?
Shooting citizens in the face? The mainstream media must have hidden that from me. Got a link?
The problem its not the same game anymore with the same rules.
You automatically go to I am approving of all ICE tactics. Did I say that anywhere?
I questioned the change in how it is now different in trying to enforce the law
There is do doubt there is excessive force being used out there and that is not right
I do not believe you or many of you here are even aware of the how the rules of the game are now changed and what apparently the party you vote for is up to
This is why nothing changes in this country .
By saying I am ok with it then I can say you are ok with all these paid protestors , foreign influence that is causing violence in many of our cities
Your I’m above it all Libertarian arrogance is showing dude
Here’s a look at your alleged “paid protesters”
https://x.com/mmpadellan/status/2010095612981874956?s=20
Here’s the part you aren’t intelligent enough to get: no citizens want illegal immigrants here. The difference between Obama and Trump is that Obama used legal and humane mechanisms for returning them to their own countries. He didn’t have masked thugs killing women or tear-gassing children. He didn’t let American citizens get killed. But I know this just flies right over your head.
Obama’s ICE wasnt physically fought by left-wing activists, or any activists for that matter
“No Citizens” Really, I hear from plenty of liberals there is no such thing as an illegal. You democrats coined that phrase. So your first sentence is a lie
Truth in your second sentence, again much easier to do
The companies that employ them sure as shit do.
You’re mentally ill if you believe what you wrote; and frankly the amount of vitriol you’re spewing proves it already.
Obama showed it was possible to deport and enforce immigration without turning ICE into a federal goon squad. They are detaining people including citizens, randomly stopping people in the street, openly racially profiling, raiding buildings, and now executing people in the street for not complying.
This is evil, full stop.
My point is 90% of you had or have no idea what is going in the background when it comes to what ICE is dealing with.
They are actually getting physically assaulted in some instances when people have no idea who they are even going after
Yes, ICE has got out of control here. And there are instances much better than what happened in MN the other day
The whole environment they are in right now has racheted up the tension to the point of an explosion
Do we have your permission to tell sanctuary cities they need to coordinate with ICE to remove convicted crimimal illegal aliens? Local police are complicit in this. They are told to stand down.
Do we have your permission to remove all these NGOs and their employees that have been created to track where ice is going in every city across America because they are stopping ICE from removing murderers and rapists?
And were you even aware this was going on before today?
I have no problem cleaning up ICE. Hell take that authority away from Trump if was legally possible, and then do the 2 things we ask your permission of
David. You need to seek urgent medical assistance for your chronic verbal dysentery!!
If you had a brain, perhaps you could think.
Obama went after criminals
He did not deport people to third countries
He did not hold detainees in slum conditions
So yes, downvote this moron.
Well wait a second, forgive him for not having a brain
Another video on line…
A woman recording an ICE agent tells him “Shame on you.”
The agent responds, “Have you all not learned from the past couple of days?”
“Learned what?” she asks
Then he knocks her phone out of her hand
You have to love the Nazis. A quarter of the way through the next century and Hitler is still the go-to bad guy. Paint a Swastika on a police car and the message is unmistakable.
Like using the word ‘Gestapo’?
EXATOMUNDO
This is no longer ‘America’.
It was no longer America well before yesterday.
The musical version: https://youtu.be/ubc3o2KZA4w
the police in general in the USA have been out of control for longer than the ICE escalation. This present outrage is a little bit selective.
What is the average IQ of a police officer? It is reported to be 104, slightly higher than the average citizen (I suspect it is declining). Throw in higher rates of depression, anxiety, and PTSD. Then, add personality traits that hinder effective communication, de-escalation, and fair judgment…
An interesting aside, 40% of today’s US military officers would NOT have made the cut in WW2.
In fairness Flingel 90% of American today including myself are a bunch of pussies compared to those guys lol
ICE Intimidation, Control & Eradication. Resistance Is Futile. You Will Be Eliminated Whether You Like It Or Not!
I am a natural born American Citizen whose father was a Korean War Veteran having served honorably as a sergeant in The U.S. Army. This is not what he fought for, but after all, having U.S. law enforcement agencies being trained by the IDF for years – such radical behavior is understandable, but NOT JUSTIABLE!
Mish, I am waiting for you to take a stand against illegal immigrants murdering and committing other crimes against Americans. All lives matter.
I take a stand against all murders and all theft.
Illegals involved should be deported.
90% of the country would agree.
All Lives Matter
Totally agree.
65% of the country would agree
Good now lets take a stand against all these groups getting in the way of ICE actually trying to do that.
Regardless of your view of the event with the car, ICE _refused_ to allow a doctor on the scene to attend to her, and _refused_ to allow the ambulance to drive up to the car she was in and they had to tramp across far distance.
ICE has a legal responsibility to render aid when someone is injured regardless and they did the opposite. All of them on site participated in this and are liable for it.
The goal of an “authoritarian” like Trump is not to gain authority through coercion and violence, but to replace authority with pure power—enforced by constant threat of violence. This is more totalitarian than authoritarian, something even more extreme than dictators like Putin and Orban, who try in superficial ways to pretend they have the legal right to abuse power.
https://www.mind-war.com/p/no-authority-only-violence
Trump makes clear that he is achieving these concessions from Venezuela by threatening a “second Wave of Attacks, which looks like it will not be needed, however, all ships will stay in place for safety and security purposes.” In other words, he is deriving “authority” this way: Do what I say or I will commit violence against you.
Of course, Trump’s ambitions are not limited to Venezuela. He is claiming the entire “Western Hemisphere.” Trump has now dispatched JD Vance and Marco Rubio to try to strong-arm Denmark into giving up Greenland.
Trump said on Friday morning: “It may be a choice” between the United States staying in NATO, and Denmark handing over their sovereign territory—meaning that Trump will use military force, and destroy our most powerful alliance, if his demands aren’t met. Violence, not authority.
England needs to be stopped being viewed as an ally, and the US should leave NATO. People treat the globe like a game of Risk, in many cases because they derive their self esteem from vicariously having “a powerful alliance” and a “dream military”.
Comparing ICE to the gestapo smacks of immaturity and over reaction. They are expected to arrest illegal aliens and sometimes they will make mistakes. They are Americans just like Mish but have a difficult job to do. Not removing illegal aliens would be contrary to the wishes of the majority of American citizens. People need to grow up.
Refusing to look at people’s valid papers is not a ‘mistake’. It’s intentional.
I have heard from many Trump voters that they wanted the illegals out but do not agree with the way it’s being done.
good point. And I am 1 of those. But also unbeknownst to many clueless virtual signaling liberals here their job is waaay more dangerous know thanks to all the NGOs financing people to do exactly like that out of control woman did yesterday. which granted is minor compared to shots being fired at them, rocks being thrown at them, and mob violence threatening them
Were these things happening when Obama Admin was doing this? Why?
Because of the process used by Obama to deport illegals. It is really as simple as that. He didn’t use gestapo tactics.
Drones next…please.
Sarcasm? Hell if drones could identify where the violent criminal illegal is and can end up resulting in less violence and bloodshed, why not?
It could be done much better with different laws that exist, sometimes it seems like the present regime is just pretending to do it. It’s like “I can’t REALLY do it, because such-and-such will happen.” I would charge the Catholic Charity vehicle drivers with accessory before the fact for every crime committed by whoever they helped relocate. I’d charge every state and local official who passed a sanctuary law, in their PERSONAL capacity because their official duties do not include passing laws that violate federal laws. And end the free money. Why is it I can’t exist in this society without proper papers and they can get free money and do what they want being here illegally?
The forest was shrinking, but the trees kept voting for the axe. The axe was clever and convinced the trees that since his handle was made of wood, he was one of them.
Wake up people–do not sleep through this
One of the clear signs of fascism—state sponsored capitalism with one leader at the top
Next in line, armed occupation to permit expropriation
From the BBC
…..”One of the things the United States gets out of this will be even lower energy prices,” Trump said in Friday’s meeting at the White House.
But the oil bosses present expressed caution.
Exxon’s chief executive Darren Woods said: “We have had our assets seized there twice and so you can imagine to re-enter a third time would require some pretty significant changes from what we’ve historically seen and what is currently the state.”
“Today it’s uninvestable.”
Venezuela has had a complicated relationship with international oil firms since oil was discovered in its territory more than 100 years ago.
Chevron is the last remaining major American oil firm still operating in the country.
A handful of companies from other countries, including Spain’s Repsol and Italy’s Eni, both of which were represented at the White House meeting, are also active.
Trump said his administration would decide which firms would be allowed to operate.
“You’re dealing with us directly. You’re not dealing with Venezuela at all. We don’t want you to deal with Venezuela,” he said.”
Saying ICE is anything like Gestapo and using evidence from X is that! I’m done with your shit. You are having a TDS. Very bad one. My following this site ends here.
bye bye
Gee so sorry you’re gone…not.
Bye!
Goodbye. Don’t let the door hit you.
The recently released footage of the Ice Officer being struck by a car, that the Woman drove directly at Him to injure or kill him, is one of so many reasons these officers are reaching aggressively.
They are being Shot At including Our President TWICE!!! They are having vehicles driven at or into them, they are having harmful objects thrown at them, they are being set up, ambushed, and quite frankly having there lives out in danger on virtually every call they are making.
Self defense is an importantly trained duty of every officer, to stay alive, and with the forceful nature of the ratcheted up disgusting attempts at killing, maiming, or severely harming them, has got to stop. These Officers are trained to stop by any force necessary, any attempt at harm to them or any Citizen in their sight and under their care as a result. What are they supposed to do?
Gone are the days of assuming they are peaceful, as they are not, and actually quite the opposite. It’s truly disgusting to witness. I blame those folks turning the Dial up to “HOT“ over and over again, and the Officers reacting. Unfortunately they have to react much faster now, if they wish to live in many instances. That’s NOT ON THE OFFICERS, but rather the situation these very bad actor wish to place them in, and that’s 6’ under the dirt!
Let’s place the blame where it belongs, and in those rare instances, when an Officer is out of line, then “Throw The Book” at them, as they should know better. Most are acting in Self Defense, and where Literally Second’s Count if they are to live or not.
The recently released footage of the Ice Officer being struck by a car, that the Woman drove directly at Him to injure or kill him, is one of so many reasons these officers are reaching aggressively.
They are being Shot At including Our President TWICE!!! They are having vehicles driven at or into them, they are having harmful objects thrown at them, they are being set up, ambushed, and quite frankly having there lives out in danger on virtually every call they are making.
Self defense is an importantly trained duty of every officer, to stay alive, and with the forceful nature of the ratcheted up disgusting attempts at killing, maiming, or severely harming them, has got to stop. These Officers are trained to stop by any force necessary, any attempt at harm to them or any Citizen in their sight and under their care as a result. What are they supposed to do?
Gone are the days of assuming they are peaceful, as they are not, and actually quite the opposite. It’s truly disgusting to witness. I blame those folks turning the Dial up to “HOT“ over and over again, and the Officers reacting. Unfortunately they have to react much faster now, if they wish to live in many instances. That’s NOT ON THE OFFICERS, but rather the situation these very bad actor wish to place them in, and that’s 6’ under the dirt!
Let’s place the blame where it belongs, and in those rare instances, when an Officer is out of line, then “Throw The Book” at them, as they should know better. Most are acting in Self Defense, and where Literally Second’s Count if they are to live or not.
Barking up an indefensible tree IMHO!!!
P.S. The recent FBI Study of the data reveals, from 2021 to 2023, more officers were feloniously killed (194) than in any other consecutive three-year period in the past 20 years (73 officers in 2021, 61 officers in 2022, and 60 officers in 2023).
THATS WHY!!! Barking up an indefensible tree IMHO!!!
P.S. The recent FBI Study of the data reveals, from 2021 to 2023, more officers were feloniously killed (194) than in any other consecutive three-year period in the past 20 years (73 officers in 2021, 61 officers in 2022, and 60 officers in 2023).
THATS WHY!!!
Too late to fix it, sorry…
Gosh, it’s amazing how he remained standing, after “being struck by the car”, and continuing to fire 2 more shots while standing well clear of the side of the car, and then walking away without a limp or other sign of injury!!!!
Obviously he defies the law of physics 200lbs being struck by 3000lbs without effect, without toppling over or disturbing his aim. Never hit the ground that was all slippery from the melting ice there.
Great analysis! (not)
See how you react in the same situation. So many armchair critics on here.
A person with half a brain would step aside and if they believed they were actually assaulted (not battered) they could easily track down the offender and effect an arrest.
And a person who is a violent psychopath would find a home at ICE and revel at the opportunity to put three bullets in someone who disagreed with what they were doing.
Yes, the ICE guy had walked fully around the car, videoed the license plate and the passenger
He was hit by the car, and shot to hopefully stay alive. He couldn’t step aside or he obviously would have to avoid being struck…
He was not hit by the car he wasn’t even knocked down.
You obviously have yet to see the body cam footage. You know the one that is taken from the persons exact view. She clearly and willingly drove Her Car right into Him!!!
That was not body cam footage – that was video from the officer’s cell phone.
And you need to look at the footage again – did you not see her turning the wheel?
Are you blind in the video you can see she is turning to the right away from the thug. He had already made up his mind he was going to shoot.
Yeah and she was turning the steering wheel to the right to avoid hitting him. This was out and out murder in the first it’s obvious he premeditated in the seconds before he fired.
Statistically, more U.S. police officers die by suicide than are killed in the line of duty in a typical year.
Police are a bigger danger to themselves than the public.
Police are a huge danger to the public and should be disarmed and only have non-lethal self defense options available with call up options like tightly controlled swat units in extreme situations.
That’s includes Prison Guards, and others in that number too…
Prison guards I can understand as an MP in the Army I had to spend two months on guard duty inside the prison at Ft Dix, NJ after two months I was about ready to off myself.
Well done Mish. I applaud you for taking a stand against repression even as it costs you.
When I watch these videos, especially of the ones with the children, I am reminded of Jordan, Syria, Palestine, and many other countries where oppression creates the desperation necessary to start creating genuine terrorists.
These people have little to lose and they live with the trauma of watching their family assaulted by people backed by the government.
Soon coming to the US as more and more American feel the effects of this fascist and racist state.
it’s not racism, it’s pattern recognition
Generally, I like your pieces. Read them every day. This appears to be rage bait. I find it hateful and somewhat ignorant, to draw an analogy to the Gestapo.
First, off I am a Libertarian by politics. Have been for decades. Registered independent voter.
My father’s extended family came from eastern Germany in the 1920’s and 1930’s. Poor farmers. Chain migration. Members that came would save and pay for more to come to US.
Part of the extended family was Jewish due to Christian men marrying Jewish women in the area, which was a poor part of Germany. (Yes, this actually happened.)
Approximately 60 members of the extended family made it to the US prior to the outbreak of the war, and about 40 were left in Germany. A large portion of those were Jewish. In 1945, at end of war, those 40 family members were down to 4. Only one family group survived. By walking 200+ miles westward to keep in front of the Russian Army advance and get to American Zone. Between German Police and Russian Army 30+ were killed. Including the children.
The Gestapo disappeared men, women and children into secret prisons and death camps. Killed them at scale. Absolute evil. Russians did the same.
While violence is occurring in our country, and it is not good, to equate that to Gestapo tactics is deplorable. Trivializes the suffering of my extended family and those like them.
Show a complete ignorance of history, and what true evil is.
No you show complete ignorance as to how things escalate.
You overlook all of the videos I showed because they were not as bad as what the Nazis did.
When you start making excuses like you are doing, without seeing the obvious escalation as to where things are headed (hint look at door-to-door and more statements from Trump on Greenland) Then you are part of the problem.
Assuming that you’re right here, Mish, would that really be worse than having the Democrats come back and destroy civilization some more?
I think perhaps instead of just focusing on the Nazi Party, you might go back and think about the anarchism around the turn of the century (year 1900), World War One, the brief Communist takeovers of German cities, and the street battles between Communists and Nazis before the Nazis finally won.
You might also consider what the Germans regarded as the double-cross at Versailles, and the fact that it was a democratic election in England that brought to power a government that wanted to extract blood from Germany.
There is also the fact that the Western military leaders HAD to go on to destroy Germany utterly, when the Germans would have been glad to make peace, because otherwise the ignorant working class back home would have thought they were betraying the workers’ paradise in Russia.
Any competent leader of a great military empire will think about forward defense. That is what Trump wants Greenland for. He isn’t doing it out of some lust for military action.
The Danes are fools. I am reminded of something a mining company executive said to me about his failed project in Greenland: “They’re just like the Europeans. They don’t mind your coming in and looking around, but when you want to start DOING anything….”
Democracies don’t last forever. Empires don’t last forever. Civilization breeds stupid people (Democrats?), and stupid people destroy civilization. Anyone who wants to POSTPONE the end of his civilization is going to have to be ruthless. He might need to be a bit focused on the short term, too, to think it is all worth it.
Amen to that article Mish. Scary times
In early-1930s Germany, elections still happened, but the Sturmabteilung (SA) outside polling places turned them into “legal elections under pressure.” The mechanism wasn’t ballots being altered; it was turnout being chilled.
That’s why talk of using ICE to “protect” polling stations in the midterms matters. ICE isn’t election-neutral, reports to the executive, and its presence alone could shift marginal turnout—which is exactly what midterms hinge on.
Interestingly, the nazis also used the “leftist threat” to justify their oppression. At least until they were firmly enough in power not to need the excuse anymore.
Mish, be positive. You are saving lots of money because you don’t have to travel to Venezuela, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya to get first hand experience. You can get it at home while driving car or shopping, not losing time in front of TV or computer screen. What goes around comes home one day. I mean the way how US military and CIA behave around the world.
Thanks to Mish for diving valiantly in to a snake pit that rivals Medua’s bouffant.
Taking a step back, can it challenged that you can have: open borders OR a welfare state, but not both? A new poll reveals that 15% of the global population – over 750 million people – would migrate if they could; guess what their top destination is?
Therefore, if you have border controls how do you eject people who wander into your country unlawfully? Canada ejects about 10% of it’s 200k illegals each year and no one gets shot in the head over the process.
Legal Immigration to the United States, 1820-Present:
The United States attracts the largest number of immigrants in the world, who join the fabric of U.S. society through avenues such as citizenship, becoming legal permanent residents (LPRs), or by seeking humanitarian protection. This chart tracks the number of people who annually are granted legal permanent residence (also known as getting a green card). Green-card holders are permitted to live and work in the country indefinitely, to join the armed forces, and to apply for U.S. citizenship after five years (three if married to a U.S. citizen).
It’s in the Millions! It’s the illegal entrants that are the problem.
One of the main reasons I initially started visiting Mish’s blog is he is an independent thinker and a bit of a contrarian.
Many of his views do not line up with mine, but I like to hear different viewpoints.
I think echo chambers are boring and Mish’s site has never been an echo chamber.
I dont think anybody is suggesting that some of these ICE agents are going to far, just like any police force there are cops that have no business being police officers because they have short tempers and do not react well in highly charged situations, they should be fired. But because they pepper sprayed someone, again in a highly charged environment, or roughly took them down I wouldn’t classify that as gestapo behaviour, I would classify it as highly unprofessional behaviour worthy of dismissal.
This is an example of how the gestapo operate.
https://nypost.com/2025/08/19/world-news/uk-free-speech-struggle-30-arrests-a-day-censorship/
So the officers/agents that stand by and watch as their fellow agents abuse people and break the law are “good” cops? No they are all goons and need to go. They need serious training for new agents, above everything they MUST respect the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments of our constitution.
Trump provided a tell today. He claims he won Minnesota 3 times despite losing the state all 3 times. This isnt about illegal immigration. This is about taking over any place that didn’t vote for Trump.
He’s trading the place to Denmark in the Greenland deal.
Black Swan events that cause financial Chaos are not always Derivative Scandals, Securities Mumbo Jumbo, Insider Trading, or other Financial Frauds. I thought for sure it was going to be Covid, then I thought Ukraine trying to join NATO with a predictable result, then I thought the aftermath of Oct. 7th. Now a Government notoriously turning on it’s own people and at the same time trying to boss the rest of the world around might just be the Black Swan event that crumbles our economy.
This isnt what most of the business community signed up for. They will learn their lesson the hard way.
So do we get out of the US market and go to foreign markets or are we all just screwed unless we have gold?
We are screwed unless we have God.
Bayer and Thyssen- Krupp are still in business.
Correct and a bit scary at the same time.
No one ever signs up for it. Some can plan ahead for flexibility and resilience, but once the dominos of financialization start to topple, alot gets knocked over before it can be stopped. A lot of debt has been acrued with correspondingly lacking colateral being created with that debt. Flipping securities and flipping assets with insufficient replacement and improvements of depreciating capital can only go so far. Our debt levels are way to high for what we have to show for it as a society.
Well said!
This will continue and will get worse until enough of us say no.
Here is another example of the Gestapo torturing and guillotining an American woman for opposing Hitler – no ICE is not like the Gestapo.
Mildred Fish-Harnack grew up wanting to be a writer, not someone passing secrets between countries during World War II. In time, she could have become a well-known poet and scholar, if not for what she considered a greater purpose — becoming part of a Nazi resistance movement to fight the oppression and brutality imposed by Adolf Hitler.
When Fish-Harnack was guillotined on Feb. 16, 1943, she became the only American killed on a direct order from the German dictator.
“Well, it’s not a question of how dangerous it is,” Fish-Harnack said roughly a year before World War II broke out in Europe in 1939. “I’ve got work to do. I’m not going.”
Mildred Fish was born in 1902 and grew up in Milwaukee, a city with one of the largest concentrations of German immigrants in America. Fish’s family did not have German roots, but she learned to speak, write and read the language as a child, skills that proved quite useful to her in adulthood.
While pursuing a master’s degree at the University of Wisconsin in Madison in 1926, a student wandered into a class she was teaching, apparently lost. German graduate student Arvid Harnack introduced himself, apologizing for the intrusion; a relationship between Fish and Harnack quickly blossomed, and after their marriage, they moved to Germany in 1929.
The Harnacks relocated overseas at a time when the world economy was teetering. The Great Depression was felt everywhere, but Germany was dealing simultaneously with the devastating economic carryover from World War I, crumbling beneath a monstrous reparations bill, a hyperinflation of its currency, an inability to sell most of its products abroad and its borrowing millions of dollars from the United States.
The dire financial conditions contributed to Hitler’s rise to power, which greatly concerned the Harnacks. The couple held favorable views of communism, and Fish-Harnack clung strongly to her beliefs, sometimes at a cost; in the spring of 1932, she lost her faculty position because she was not “Nazi enough,” per a 2013 New York Times article.
Gestapo tactics refer to oppressive, often brutal methods used by a secret police force to control populations, involving intimidation, surveillance, arbitrary arrest, psychological torture, forced confessions, and making people “disappear” to crush dissent and maintain totalitarian power. Key tactics include using fear, terrorizing citizens through informers, creating a climate of suspicion, and bypassing legal processes to imprison or eliminate opponents without trial.
Essentially, Gestapo tactics involve using fear, secrecy, and violence to eliminate political opposition and maintain absolute control, characteristic of authoritarian states.
Those arrested by the Gestapo were often held without judicial process. The power of the Gestapo was used to focus upon political opponents and ideological dissenters.
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Yes Gestapo
Thank goodness Solzhenitsyn never had to deal with the Gestapo.
Just the Gulag.
– tactics refer to oppressive, often brutal methods used by a secret police force to control populations. > Control is a word with many meanings, and so is Out of Control. As you mention that word specifically, for example as an example. If they are acting unruly, then control is used in a manner of authority to influence a peaceful situation. If they remain unruly, then they escalate to a Dominating Influence, in hopes that will do it. If the aggressors still behave in this manner, then a more forceful influence will have to be observed for Everyone’s Safety at this point! This may cause the Officers to utilize intimidation, arbitrary arrest, etc. Never a good situation to be in as the officer or the Person causing the conflict.
Did the real Gestapo tolerate German citizens violently protesting and interfering with their ability to terrorize the population? No. They did not. Poor comparison on that basis alone.
If it really was the Gestapo, Mike would be dead by now and all of us posting the shit we post would have heard the knock at the door by now and 1/2 of us would not be posting today because we would have already been dragged out of our homes
The amount of hyperbole and sometimes lies and bullshit coming out of people here on this event the last 2 days is mindboggling
My aunt was a German Lutheran living in Luxenberg during Nazi occupation. Growing up, I heard stories of the Gestapo and their reign of terror. You were hung if the caught you out after dark. Citizens were terrorized as well as disfavored minorities. We aren’t there yet!
All of the referenced instances of excess are disturbing. That said, the article title infers that the thousands of ICE agents all are practicing these tactics.
This becomes similar to inferring all priests are pedophiles, all police officers are racists, all financial advisors are stealing client money etc.
The number of ICE interactions is in the hundreds of thousands if not millions.
There should be no tolerance of the acts cited and the bad actors should be terminated and/or charged. However, making this broad brush comment is troubling IMO.
These Fers are trained (or not trained) if you prefer to be who they are.
But OK they are not “all” that way.
If their fellow officers allow the “bad” ones to violate a persons rights, they are also “bad” and must be removed. They have a lawful duty to stop rights violations wherever, whenever by anyone when the see them, but they don’t.
What you are saying would be believable if ICE agreed with you that “bad actors should be terminated and/or charged”, but they don’t. In fact, they repeatedly do the opposite and make it clear to everyone, including ICE agents, that no conduct is too extreme. This is similar to how brownshirts were trained.
The question you should be asking yourself is this. What will be the line in the sand that causes me to escape this fascist regime? Do you have an exit strategy? It’s going to get a lot worse. Eventually every American who is not a Trump cheerleader will be subject to arrest, incarceration or murder. When the election is cancelled next year, maybe that will be the sign it’s time to get out of Dodge. It’s later than you think.
Dodge is almost bankrupt.
Thats ok. I know democrats are happy this takes the Somali Billions of dollars stolen off the news but its making a comeback
A more realistic question may be “What is the line in the sand that will make me take up arms against my govt”?
When will true Americans decide enough and take action, peaceful if possible, violent if necessary?
Could it start with a farmer protecting his long time worker? A church goer protecting a family who are long time members of his church? This admin should remember they are mortal.
Yes Gestapo is an entirely appropriate word to describe these thugs from ICE
Life was just a bowl of cherries before the 1930s.
And many of our local police departments.
For decades the Usonians cheered war crimes abroad. Now the war criminals found a new job stateside. Eat it up!
the 1970s had literally hundreds of domestic targeted bombings. MIC Headquarters. ROTC, police stations and much more. more than one per day in the early 70s. we were much stronger financially and had much stronger men and women. now we are so over stretched and cannot fight a lick. haven’t won a war since 1945. i think this empire just crumbles mostly peacefully. only way we get violent in large numbers is if they shut off sportsball and netflix…………and food gets held hostage by radicals of all sides……………panem et circenses. bread and circus hold many empires together.