Iran is one of the least popular wars in history.
The Least Popular War Since Vietnam
Please consider The Least Popular War Since Vietnam by Lakshya Jain.
Before any politician makes a major policy change, they may want to ask themselves one simple question: Who are we helping with this?
Had Donald Trump asked himself that question before launching a war with Iran, he could have prevented what’s likely to become the biggest electoral cataclysm a political party has seen in a generation. New polling from The Argument shows that the conflict is even more toxic than George W. Bush’s war in Iraq, with only 33% of voters thinking it was right to enter, versus 55% saying it was wrong.
Voters are not OK with this war. In fact, the conflict in the Middle East has been so disastrous for Republicans that it’s allowed Democrats to open up a 6-percentage-point lead in voter trust on foreign policy. That’s the biggest lead the party has held in the year we’ve been tracking this metric, and it’s up from the 1-point deficit it faced on this issue in May, before the ceasefire with Iran collapsed.
Who Do Voters Trust on Foreign Policy
Fundamentally, I think Americans hate this war so much because of what it’s doing to their pocketbooks. It’s hard not to notice the inverse correlation that Trump’s approval rating has with gas prices. (It’s also important to point out that though this tracks with the empirical literature on the correlation between gas prices and approval, Trump is probably paying an outsized penalty because the price shock was a direct result of his specific actions.)
Democrats More Trusted on Every Issue but Crime
By itself, the deepening quagmire in the Middle East would be an unwelcome headache. But when it’s combined with a spiraling cost-of-living crisis, an unpopular trade war, and a chaotic and toxic immigration enforcement agenda, the picture is nothing short of disastrous for Republicans heading into the midterm elections. In fact, among likely voters, trust in Republicans now trails trust in Democrats on every single issue except crime.
For a while, Republican leaders have hoped that Democrats would be dragged down by perceptions that the party is too far to the left. As recently as this summer, in fact, they might have been justified in this expectation. Republicans were actually perceived as less extreme than Democrats in our July poll. Back then, 47% of likely voters said the Democratic Party was too far to the left, while 45% said the Republican Party was too far to the right.
But now the environment has deteriorated so badly for Republicans that this is no longer true.
More Voters think Republicans Are Too Extreme
As a result, Democratic odds of taking the Senate have never looked better, with deep-red states like Iowa, Kansas, and Nebraska moving into play as Republican strength in the Midwest evaporates. Combined with a rebellion among Hispanic voters and a polling lead that Mary Peltola continues to hold in Alaska, Republicans find themselves outright underdogs in the Senate for the first time in the cycle.
This was unthinkable a year ago, given that Democrats have to flip at least two seats in states Trump won by double digits in 2024.
Pundits and analysts alike have a tendency to overdetermine results after they have happened and tell the story of an election with far more confidence than that story really deserved. But let me be clear: The current unpopularity of the Republican Party is the result of a series of entirely avoidable actions taken by the president. Trump entered office as popular as ever, and he has proceeded to summarily squander that popularity through a sequence of unforced errors.
Without a serious and sudden reversal in fortune, Trump is about to send his political party off of an electoral cliff.
Not Just the War
The war in Iran is the center of Trump’s mistakes.
However, Trump’s tariff policy and immigration policy are also unpopular.
Voters understand these three critical errors are all adding to inflation.
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Republicans are losing on every key idea except crime. And it shows up in the polls.
Every republican I know, while happy to moan and complain about Trump, is still going to vote a straight republican ticket here in Texas. Maybe there are some republicans that might not vote or, God forbid, vote for a Democrat like Talarico, but, if they exist, I don’t know them.
That makes me think that the polls, while trying to do their best, might be underestimating the Trump/republican vote.
Let’s devoutly hope so, anyway.
Voters kept making political mistakes from Clinton to present.President Clinton naively thought global stability could be achieved through trade with Chinese, who then weaponized global trade and manufacturing through monopolization. Bush 2 used 911 to invaded Iraq, which none of the hijackers came from. Obama set race relations back 50 years, as well as taking one giant leap to social medicine. Trump 1 tried to nudge China without leverage. Dementia Biden was a complete puppet whose administration usurped his power to advance socialism and even more cultural division that Obama. Trump 2 continues to have great ideas, but chooses the wrong tools which lead to horrible execution.
Voters during Clinton, Obama, and Biden were happy about bad long term outcomes. Voters under Bush2, and Trump incorrectly attribute bad outcomes with good initial ideas.
SORRY: It is our biggest mistake in 250 years!
Does anybody think that Obama or Bush II was really in charge of anything?
Operation Epstein Fury is much more than “the Biggest Self-Inflicted Political Mistake in Decades”, it’s the USA’s FAFO moment and together with the war to Russia (initiated by the other cheek of the Zionist Globalist ass) they are the USA’s biggest strategic mistakes ever, the ones which will sanction and hasten the end of that failing Idiocracy’s empire.
Trump says inflation could pay down the debt very rapidly.
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-today-dow-sp-500-nasdaq-10-01-2026/card/trump-says-inflation-could-pay-down-the-debt-very-rapidly–S6mygMl76dzCeRzAm3vp
President Trump said “certain levels of inflation” could help pay down the national debt “very rapidly” in an interview with Time magazine
Well there you have it. The gig is up, the Fed won’t be doing anything to fight inflation, it will continue to run hot until you go broke. If only you had an exit strategy to get out the hamster wheel loop. If only someone had told you about it. If only….
And just wait till 2030 when 3 or 4 million more boomers are receiving more free handouts and taxing healthcare system to the max.
Thats always been the plan. The job of the fed to create a smoke screen using nominal numbers
The basic job of the Fed (or any central bank) is to fund the government’s deficit, to make sure that there is never a situation in which there is only 25c left in the national treasury. Confusing the issue by the use of “economists” and teachers of economics is no doubt a subordinate part of that.
There is a steady decline in physical and cognitive abilities as we age. Then, around 80 to 85 you fall off a cliff. Time to step down.
Wow I’m in the red on all five. I guess we did have to respond to the bombing of Pearl Harbor in World War 2. Maybe we did something to provoke that though.
Japan provoked it.
Japan was aggressively attacking the neighborhood trying to build an empire. Ruthlessly attacked China, then invaded Viet Nam. FDR put an embargo on Japan, depriving them of 90% of their oil supply. Japan retaliated by attacking Pearl Harbor.
The neighborhood included Brit, French (including “French Indochina”), Dutch (“Dutch East Indies”) and Portugues colonies.
And Germany in China. Germany and Japan grew closer during the 1930s. Germany agreed with Japan’s goals in China, SE Asia, Australia, and New Zealand, so they cut off China and green lighted Japan’s aggressions. Blaming the US for cutting off the oil and steel is FDRDS: Franklin Delano Roosevelt Derangement Syndrome. There was going to be a war with Japan. They tried a non-aggressive means of stopping them. It did not work. Because Japan had their little hearts set on conquering, along with Germany, ultimately, the world.
The most interesting part of it is that Germany believed in Aryan superiority, and Japan believed in the superiority of a Mongol race (themselves). It wouldn’t have worked for very long.
Pearl Harbor stemmed from the US moral hangover following the Japanese invasion of China, in which the US embargoed oil and metal to Japan.
The real Japanese goal was not so much the defeat of the United States, but the capture and securing of oilfields in the Dutch East Indies.
In 1941, the US concentrated its Pacific fleet at Pearl Harbor. Perhaps it was done to ensure that any Japanese attack on the naval base would inflict a lot of damage and drag the US into WWII. Well, FDR got his wish.
Or not.
Japan didn’t build those two biggest battleships in the world, in secret, or those hugh aircraftt carriers so they could defend themselves from China
The New Forever WarWhy America and Iran Fight On Without Victory
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/iran/new-forever-war-america-ali-vaez
Only possible by having the biggest tool made into the biggest fool by you know who in the middle east.
But it ain’t over…dems taking congress with tools and fools like Cory Booker won’t change much. We need a polymarket for which tool+fool will feign war outrages the most then do nothing.
People have been commenting they are going to vote straight ticket democrat. Well that’s a good start but to get you-know-who out of government maybe vote straight Muslim ticket instead. Keep in mind I’m not Muslim but if that’s what it takes so be it.
I saw a comment on Zerohedge that went something like, “I’d vote for the hammer and sickle socialists all day if it gets Israel out of American politics.” That’s where we are right now with all of this. Some will vote for communists, others for Muslims, and yet others for socialists. The clock is ticking.
Do worry, Trump, Walrus, GOP, and democrats will find a way to make things even worse.™
I know I am voting for a democratic socialist and sending several of them money. Trump got where he did by promising a better life for the middle class and making the .1% fantastically more wealth while taxing the middle class with tariffs. America is so far behind the curve when it comes to improving society. It is crazy what is spent on healthcare and a large portion is parasitic. Corporations are getting handouts instead of being forced to help society thru fair taxation. moving the needle to the left will not hurt anything for awhile
We have socialism already – socialism for the rich.
Given a choice, I prefer honest socialism to crony capitalism.
You obviously have not lived in “honest socialism”, as it has never existed and never could. Why not advocate for real free-market capitalism?
One could make the same argument for “real free-market capitalism”.
I take it you mean that it has never existed. That is true to some degree, but if you use the words “individual liberty” and “freedom of enterprise” rather than “capitalism,” you might get a better understanding. Honest enterprise is always interfered with by the soldiers and the priests who together govern us all. But it is the honest enterprise that produces everything, and produces the advances in knowledge that make us better off. Sometimes, enlightened people in government help. But government as a principle is negative. In general, the only thing we can thank a government for is preventing a worse government. At present, that is getting doubtful, i.e. there is a question about whether any other kind of government COULD be any worse. But then you look at Venezuela, Persia, and the old Soviet Union….
Correct – the needle must move to the left – that is what the younger gens want.
The younger gens are bloody fools then. They deserve to get what they want good and hard. As for what the teachers who led them into believing such nonsense deserve, I keep thinking about bayonets.
Keeping old people alive when they should be dead and would rather be dead is a great growth industry. It’s very good for the people in it: they can look at their “customers” just as I used to look at steers when I was a cowboy. It also ties in well with the remnants of Christianity that some people still believe in to some degree: it torments people while pretending to help them, which just about sums Christianity up.
I wouldn’t go as far as you and vote for a democratic socialist or send them money, however. That is the surest way to make things worse. Crony capitalists are crooks, but at least they aren’t as stupid as socialists. Keep in mind that socialism is taken whole from the Christian moral system: bad is good and good is bad. I know a lot of people can’t think well enough about abstractions to be able to understand that.
Your last paragraph bears on a feeling of mine that if I were a New Yorker, I might have been tempted to vote for this fool Mamdani. He is bound to be a disaster, but his election is certainly a good hit in the eye for the Jews who have dominated your politics for far too long.
Wonder whether Trump will follow Bibi in staying out of jail and in power by expanding and escalating “this” week while saner people try to explain what the bastards did “last” week and why we must reverse everything.
It’s like that Karl Rove paraphrase:
“We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors… and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”
So, for example, if trump sends that 3rd carrier and troops and lots of them die, then what? If trump approves Baltic provocation against Kaliningrad and Russia replies against Baltic states, then what?
Peace sells, but who’s buying.
If Kaliningrad is attacked, Russia has threatened to resort to nuclear weapons.
Is Russia the only nuclear power that is regularly attacked within its own borders? (Israel is almost there because it regularly attacks almost all of its neighbors and some retaliate, but it seems like a rare occurrence these days that bombs are dropped on Israel)
You push a nuclear power too far, and eventually they will defend themselves by any means necessary
Have to disagree. Surely voting in Trump for the second time was the biggest self-inflicted political mistake in decades.
My 89 year old father-in-law is a Cuban immigrant who left in 1967 “escaping socialism”. He hates the Democrats because “they want to force us into socialism”. I try to explain to him that Cuba isn’t socialist. It is a totalitarian Communist state. That no democratic country has ever gone communist. And every state that became communist did so after overthrowing a right-wing dictatorship, or being taken over by a communist state. So the goal is never become a right-wing dictatorship. And the most likely person in the world to cause that to happen in the USA is Donald Trump. He believes Fox before he believes facts though.
sounds like he’s not too wise.
Per the German constitution, Germany is a socialist state.
You should evaluate president by the company they keep. Trump has assembled the greatest bunch of assholes ever assembled for his Cabinet. There was one decent person, Tulsi Gabbard and she was forced out.
Tulsi Gabbard is easily just as indecent as the rest of them.
Tulsi
RFK
elon
tucker
Alex Jones
Vivek
All lent their reputation duringnthe campaign to re-elect this thug.
Some are busy pivoting to restore credibility, by saying some things we would like to hear. However, if some stupid outsiders like me knew trump was trouble (though I didn’t expect this much) and they didn’t, what does that say about the value of their public pronouncements?
Is this a list of members of the Epstein Club?
lol… Def some overlap.
Remember when Elon called a guy a “pedo” for planning to save some tourists trapped in a cave? IIRC Elon’s defense was it was a joke because where i come from we use that term as a silly insult.
Tulsi was not great but at least she was antiwar
bwaahhhhh. tulsi. what a grifter. and she grew up in a cult and joined MAGA cult. moron, too.
Agree with Mish that the war on Iran was the biggest political mistake in at least decades. The only silver lining would be if Iran quickly assembles 10-12 atomic warheads of the 15 kiloton variety that could be launched from within their granite mountain bases – just enough retaliatory strength to dissuade Israel from using nuclear weapons on Iran.
Seems plausible because after all, apparently we’ve been a few weeks from Iran having a nuclear weapon for, what, a few decades now? /sarc
Mish,
Since u r journaling Donald Epstein’s betrayals, check out Jon Fleetwood’s substack.
You’ll find articles with headlines like this: “Trump Orders EPA Framework to ‘Release Into the Environment’ Modified, Bacteria-Based Mosquito and Tick Technologies Without Informed Consent — New executive order involves what it calls “genetic modification” and “beneficial bacteria,” without identifying what will actually be released and without informed consent from citizens.”
There’s a typical headline.
Relevance? Many R voters voted for trump because they attributed the covid response and dangerous medical research to Fauci, Biden, and the D’s. Trump and RFK put up the “under new management” banner but aren’t changing anything. IOW, this is another example of the brand-new grand-old party betraying their supporters.
It was Trump who fast-tracked the production of mRNA vaccines cutting out most of the necessary testing through an executive order. Not Fauci, Biden or the Dems. Trump voters are morons.
And for which he is not willing to take the credit since it will upset his base
…so go figure
Trump did take credit for it during his 2024 campaign. That’s why Jon is correct about trump supporters being morons or badly informed.
Agree. I told people that. Their nonresponse made me wonder whether I was suddenly speaking in tongues.
He is one of worst human beings ever, but absolutely no necessary testing was cut out.
Aren’t all of the double-vaxxed triple-boosted dead by now? IQ test.
Alive & well, actually.
It was 169% pure comedy gold watching MAGA voters trying to explain away how Trump got the vaccine, and did so in public. Apparently it was a ruse to fool the gullible, not the world and wise sophisticates like MAGA.
To be fair, before Fauci became a Team D folk hero and vaccination became virtue-signalling, lots of democrats were loudly refusing to take any vaccine that the Trump Administration developed.
For the record – I am NO knee-jerk anti-vaxxer. I am skeptical of any vaccine rushed through so quickly (“warp speed”), and with such pressure to get results.
From Trumps perspective it is self enrichment…
Follow the money!
It’s October. You buy diesel yet for your farm?
Perhaps I rewatched George Carlin too many times. But, I wish we would use language that better suits the gravity of the offense.
Some possible refinements, with the simplest first:
– “in” Iran — Why not “Against”? After all, the headline refers to it as self-inflicted mistake. “In” Iran — hmm, a civil war would qualify. I suggest “against” because that minimally suggests an external actor. That actor happens to be the actor doing the “self-inflicting”. So, it fits well.
– And why not mention the actor? “Trump’s War Against…”. Or “USA’s War Against…”. Or “NATO’s War”. After all, NATO members supported the attack (a few objections aside) and now Mark Rutte has said NATO should participate more.
– “Political mistake” — Why not “crime”? Doesn’t the UN charter, ratified into US law, forbid unilateral military action except under limited circumstances? Doesnt this war — started with assassinations under pretext of negotiations — violate that? The assassinations, in particular, should persuade anyone to disbelieve claims of good faith.
– “Political mistake” — Yes, it impacts elections too. But those don’t matter. USA has been warring against native Americans and then the world almost unabated since its inception. Trump already proved he cares more about sustaining the war than he does about popular opinion. It is not a political mistake for him or the oligarchs. It is them using political capital. (IIRC: “I got me some political capital and I’m going to use it!” -GWB)
Yippee says “democracy works” and that “assholes elect assholes”.
Evidence that undermines the claim:
The oligarchs lie to the people (about events in the past, present, and near future) to manufacture their consent. This is not what voters vote for. It is the opposite. It is not democracy. It is a lie.
Evidence that supports the claim:
– While USA continued occupying Iraq in a war that Joe Biden championed and D voters protested against, D voters voted to elect him to the highest office. Then he proceeded to immortalize himself as Genocide Joe.
– Trump proudly “took the oil” from Syria, told his Iraq client to invite an Iranian general for diplomacy and then assassinated him, stole Citgo from VZ, and more. R voters voted to re-elect him. Then he continues the genocide, continues the Ukraine war, and picked up where he left off with aggression against Venezuela and Iran.
Time for a poll!
Upvote for “the voters are goldfish”.
Downvote for “the voters are assholes”.
why not both answers. ignorance is no defense. sorry. anyone who twice or thirce voted trump, biden,obama,W the dumber,slick willie, GHWB, aka mr CIA, Ronnie Raygun, are guilty of being warmongering assholes. they might also be assholes/goldfish. we’d have to administer the old monty python nit wit twit olympics
Why not both? Doh. I should’ve prepared for that.
Reminds me of Groucho’s surprise when a presumed binary choice /wasn’t/: “One if by land, two if by sea. … Three?? — They double-crossed us!”
ha ha ha. was he related to karl marx?
Immigration is a toss up issue. Be fair. The poll numbers are saying 50/50, not unpopular.
Immigration was a tossup issue in that poll. It is a losing issue in every other poll I have seen and it is likely to be a huge factor in Texas and farm states
Bee Bee
What it boils down to is that Trump thought he was just having some fun on the weekend with his buddy Nutandyahoo. Drop a few bombs, kill a few rag heads, have a couple of Big Macs, and a coke, big fun and home by Monday for a round of golf. Iran said “THIS IS NOT VENEZUELA ASSHOLE!”.
Trump deserves the fate of the guilty at Nuremberg. Or better yet, since his acolytes insist that Iranians hunger for their children to be murdered, he should take a stroll unguarded through Tehran.
i could see Trump firebombing amerikan cities in his last 2 years. no doubt the military will obey the orders. just an FYI. in my fair city for close to a decade, The Union bombardment and siege of Charleston, South Carolina, involving land-based artillery firing incendiary shells into the city rather than direct naval firebombing, lasted for 587 days from August 1863 until the city was evacuated in February 1865. the good ole boys downtown charleston understand amerikan history better than any yankee i’ve ever met.
ps. it was mostly women children and house slaves. the men were off fighting brutal battles inland SC and up in VA…….
They could have just surrendered you know.
yea. just like the folks in libya, iraq, afghanistan and those school girls in persia recently. blame the women and children getting bombed. nice suzie.
Jefferson Davis himself said, ‘it is better to leave this city in a heap of ruins then see it surrendered.’
looks like Jeff got what he wanted.
That’s a lot of ammunition.
I agree, that Trump might turn on Americans.
certainly decent chance. unfortunately. and no doubt the nazis will just follow orders. hat tip hannah arendt. the banality of evil.
I expect more bioweapon use. An infamous white paper floated the idea 26 years ago.
During 2024, in the same weeks R friends told me Trump learned from his mistakes during his first term, trump bragged about his covid response and Operation Warpspeed. During his 2nd term and even with RFK on board, the dangerous research continues. Of course, they say it is for “defense”, even though the most prolific user of WMD is…
aye aye
Bioweapons research never stopped after WW1, for any major power. Every country is afraid another will gain an edge and break the original treaty against using chemical and biological weapons. Such an attack by the admin on its own people would be pointless unless there’s a vaccine and they’re ready for the robots to take over. Select chemical attacks would make more sense, like Saddam or Syria. It would put fear in people’s minds. Incendiary bombs were used in the Tulsa Oklahoma race massacre 1921. There was also a political coup in Wilmington NC in 1898. Jan 6th is another example for willingness. But it would be a bad idea.
Who says it’s unforced?
Maybe it’s forced [!]
Everything Trump says (like Biden) is blurting out things he has heard about in the halls of power. Or do you think he is weighing policy considerations out on the golf course?
In the case of Trump I don’t think he is weighing policy considerations at all. I think he just does what he likes at the moment without considering consequences.
I think Netanyahu snaps his fingers and points in the direction of his crotch.
Trump knows what to do.
“Republicans are losing on every key idea except crime. And it shows up in the polls.”
So how does Trump prevent a democratic controlled senate and congress? He’s sending carriers to the middle east to create chaos and global war. Many people know this, hence the accelerated dumping of US treasuries.
Expect China to move on Taiwan if Trump pulls the WWIII trigger. Say goobye to the repair of anything electronic.
To think Trump will meekly go into the night is implausable. He’s going on the offensive right now.
agree except China won’t ever need to fire a shot to get back Formosa after the Chinese civil war. it’s not if. it’s just inevitable.
>> China won’t ever need to fire a shot to
>> get back Formosa after the Chinese civil war.
How do you anticipate that playing out?
When I look at how “well” Oceania leveraged Ukraine to its own violent ruin and how well their methods generally work, I think they can and will violently ruin Taiwan too.
That’s been the plan, but maybe the Taiwanese will note Ukraine’s fate and decline to be a ramrod against China.
Hope so!
Still wanna read yippee’s suspicion/expectation.
“So how does Trump prevent a democratic controlled senate and congress?”
In 2026, he’s been doing everything possible to ensure it.
Everything except growing the economy, keeping the US out of wars, and otherwise doing what most Americans want
Amazing the Republicans are winning on crime considering this is the most corrupt president in history. Hopefully the House will call attention to it even if the Senate will refuse to impeach.
JFK was willing to go nuclear with Russia over Cuba back in 1962 and now Russia is willing to go nuclear with the US over Kaliningrad. It makes sense to me. Back in 2014, American neocons had no business trying to destabilize Russia’s influence over Ukraine. Poor Ukraine!
So willing was JFK to go nuclear with Russia over Cuba that he had to forcibly stop his own military from doing just that behind his back. That makes perfect sense!
Before this is all said and done, Netanyahu will be dropping the big bombs. Of course, it’ll be in response to a false flag “attack” to justify it.
israel won’t make it to their 100th birthday. useful idiots for amerikan empire. imagine convincing european jews to settle the middle east. useful idiots for pax amerika in the sea of oil we love to control. many hasidic jews i know in my old hood in brooklyn agree.
There still is the risk of 9/11 being uncovered by what it apparently was: a CIA/Mossad job, masterminded by Netanyahu and Barak – as claimed by some – leading to the death of tens of thousands of US citizens. Reason enough to leave Israel to its own devices; i.e. total collapse within weeks. But then, everyone knows who is controlling US politics
‘Tens of thousands of deaths of US citizens’…..ffs you are a bigger liar than Trump.
I like simple explanations. As Trump’s first Secretary of State opined, Trump is an irredeemable moron. And, by definition, morons are unable to conduct rational cost-benefit analysis. And there you have it: Trump starting another stupid war in the Middle East that screws the very people that elected him.
Exactly. It not that complicated- he’s a dipshit. I know people who dealt with him in NYCfor years – they all say the same thing- dumbass.
Given Trump’s close relation with Epstein: Nethanyahu must have him by the balls with video material from the island. Plus a war, win or loose, distracts from the much needed prosecutions. And then, there is dirty money to be made in the stock market minutes before announcements. How could Trump resist?
Resisting would require the slightest amount of moral integrity, trump and his cabinet have none.
But we all knew or should have known way before his first election.
Yes epstein is why Israel gets the largest usa handout of all nations by far
I differ:
And what’s more, he is an extreme narcissist, which means when something goes against him it is someone else’s fault and he continues to dig rather than find an exit ramp out of the pit.
He has the personality that is just so manipulable for those who understand he only needs his ego stroked and sweet nothings whispered in his ear. Kamala dominated him in their only presidential debate because she played him like a fiddle. The result: no more debates.
genocide joe biden riding shotgun and benefactor to the IDF massacre and famine in GAZA to his 300billion USD underwriting of ukraine v russia war, gave us Donald Epstein. the donald, from my birthplace of queens, has made the aforementioned dementia patient Biden look like Sun Tzu. long live pax dumbfuckistan. of course the ultimate blame is on the amerikan voters. democracy works. fighting words if people look in the mirror and reflect on what they have been voting for, since 1945.
meanwhile: Russian President Vladimir Putin said Thursday that the world was living through a dangerous moment and warned the West not to escalate a standoff over Ukraine by threatening the Russian exclave of Kaliningrad, which Moscow has made clear it would defend with nuclear weapons if necessary.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/putin-warns-west-escalation-kaliningrad-9.7365845
Czar Putin is angry. grandpa mccain and obama started the war in 2014. another episode of an overthrow of an election in foreign lands. hat tip to the twats at CIA. cunning little runts. or is that running little cunts?
did not russia start the war
Only if you think history started in 2022. Pretend that Russia were to have instigated a blatant and anti-American coup in Mexico.
The 82nd would be on their way before the doors to the presidential place were opened.
Good post Mish, but I disagree that voters are correlating tarriffs and ICE/Immigration policy to inflation. Avg joes eyes glaze over when you try to connect the dots or just flat out deny it.
Silver lining is the disaster war might finally get people to change their minds. Even the dumbest here in the US knows that War Toys are expensive, and oil is in the middle east. So they know why the pump is high, even though they voted in this jackass thinking he’d lower the cost of eggs.
Also, weird poll. Over 20% are “not sure” or flat out disagree that we should have fought WWII??? Insane
The 14% might be the types who are ignorant of history. The 12% probably not right/not right could also be ignorant or could ascribe to the view that FDR took actions well prior to 7 Dec 1941 to maneuver the USA into confrontation with the Axis Powers.
i did not see your comment. concur 100%. hell when one visits pearl harbor, they get into that point. time seems to make for more honest appraisal of history.
Ignorant of history?
They should know about Nazis, not buying it.
Ascribe to pre WWII views? Are you serious?
not insane. some old geezers remember FDR had to cut off the japanese oil access in pacific, to generate a response. before pearl harbor, FDR was having trouble convincing many in the heartland to enter another WW. in europe. “just” to save jews. that’s just the way it was for many. my old man and all my uncles were in that bloody ww2. the pacific was especially brutal. 2 men i knew were captured by nazis and escaped. one ended up representing the german company he bombed during the war, decades later when he was a wall street lawyer at an old line firm.
Old geezers remember 1940?
20 percent of the country is not 90+ years old
What crack are we smoking here
Do you think it wasn’t right?
It’s insane, not buying it
Ok, clearly “Luke” is a fucking troll. No sense in wasting time responding to him. Smash that Hide button and let’s save our energy for the non-trolls.
I just saw a thing on the news this morning that an nationalist org. similar to the proud boys in canada the leader was saying how hitler was right and the smartest leader ever. so that 20% may be white supremacist
“Also, weird poll. Over 20% are “not sure” or flat out disagree that we should have fought WWII??? Insane“
Are you serious? I bet 20% of the US population doesn’t even know what countries fought in WWII
Milestones:
FDR took years to bring a reluctant US public around, before 1941. He dealt patiently and honestly with the constraints of existing laws, like the Neutrality Act. He had to bring Congress around incrementally, meaning, the US people.The war had rousing and deeply-rooted public consent across the board, the day it started. Threats: Of course Pearl Harbor propelled it. Bush Senior made a very cogent case for Gulf War 1, and involved consenting allies. Saddam’s invasion of Kuwait propelled it. Bush Junior did a half-assed job of those things, I think lacking much of a solid case for war, and underplayed its costs and ease. But he got some years before (stupid) US masses finally figured it out. He had 9/11 at his back, which he abused to invade Iraq.Trump did ZERO of the above. He came in after a quick ramp-up, after the fact with a jumble of nonsensical rationales, that was insulting to the US people. Congress embarrassed itself.Of course whatever support there was, decayed from Moment One. It was utterly typical of his impulsive, poorly-conceived, undemocratic vileness. threats? he talked about 47 years of whatever, and fumbled the nuclear threat messaging, while he had already fumbled the nuclear threat issue itself.
IKE got us involved in iran in 1953 by instigating a coup and propping up a ruthless dictator, the shah. that is 73 years of amerikans sticking noses in persia.
USA was propping up pal empires (France, UK). Mosaddegh, it was claimed through the serious (though often murky) prism of the Cold War, was flirting with the commies. Ike didn’t want to deploy boots or nukes, so he steered things toward covert operations: much lower costs and risks, for many reasons. Later that mutated into all kinds of stuff. It’s easy to sit on a modern fence further distant from such bloodbaths as Stalingrad and Hiroshima, and righteously second guess such things. Choosing teammates meant choosing enemies. Sometimes those teammates are a bit dirty. Welcome to the world.
Perhaps tangential, perhaps not.
>> USA was propping up pal empires (France, UK).
Yes but a times rival empires undermine “pal” empires a wee bit in order to make them need help.
I think the Yanks undermined the Brits and the Brits undermined the French, at times. (French was at one time “the language of international diplomacy” and rivaled Britain in power. Then USUK bankers financed German rearmament, ww2 mortally wounded the French empire, and jt bled out almost everywhere but their CFA racket.). … European wars were sometimes between cousins; greed often overrides existing relationships.
>> was flirting with the commies.
It’s Iran’s choice to make. It’s anyone’s choice to make.
We only know because of Teddy’s grandson Kermit Roosevelt’s book – Countercoup.
Kermit merely confirmed what everyone knew all along and the CIA piously denied.
Trump: “Because Rock Bottom has a basement.” So see if he keeps digging!
I’m reminded of that sticker slogan I had at the end of Trump1.0 . At the time I had this extremely smart friend* who said ‘Trump’s unpopularity would “ruin the brand” [GOP]. Low and behold Trump and the GOP bounced back.
So he restarts the digging. His digging has reached unexpected depths; and he’s still digging.
*”We miss you Dave J…”
9 out of 10 unconvicted rich pedophiles agree: This war has an important purpose.
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Yet the democrats do not plan to investigate the origin of the Iran war if they regain the Knesset…., er, I mean congress.
No… they plan to impeach it.
They may do the same thing as the last time they held both houses of congress and the white house to boot….nothing. Although this time they may increase the minimum wage law to $7.45 per hour something they couldn’t accomplish last time.
One of taco’s better accomplishments.
So much winning we are getting tired of winning.
When I heard that Trump had started bombing Iran, I am just shouted…”WHY, WHY, WHY?”
A fiasco that will haunt Trump forever. He made our country weaker and Iran stronger. A hornet’s nest has been stirred up in the Middle-East due to his stupid meddling into other countries’ affairs. We need to pull every American troop back to US soil.
Why? Because Israel demands it, and Israel has The Files.
It won’t haunt him. All the bad things that come of it will be blamed on other people, and he will be the victim. He does not care about anyone or anything except himself, what he owns, and what he thinks he can steal.
It will, however, provide hm with a springboard to loudly and loutishly complain and lay blame, that we may never hear the end of.
Correct. With narcissists, it’s always someone else’s fault.
It will haunt us the people who ever saw through him and never voted for him.
Any that still support him are just like him. They all need to hop on the short bus to hell.
Re-stating: The US is wasting time and resources in overseas conflicts, National security should be built on domestic strength, specifically by securing our power grid and reducing global oil dependence. We have the technology, tools, solar, wind, advanced battery storage, nuclear power to make this happen.
We have the wrong people in place to make this happen.
This twins with our absolute historic disaster in diplomatic and trade relations. We have thrown away a century of blood, treasure and accomplishment.
You forgot piracy and loot and murder in that century.
Yes, but Israel is happy and Israel has The Files.
trump could be on video at the metroplex humping small boys and sucking horse dongs and his cult would still worship him. i love watching how cults arise. trump was the pinnacle. makes jim jones look like a piker. there is only one cult bigger than trump. it’s HQ is vatican city.
Hopefully Maga will hurry up and drink the kool-aid.
Nahhh… MAGA would forgive Trump for humping young girls, but not boys. Would be interesting what the cultists would think if it were girls identifying as boys or the other way around.
It is POSSIBLE, but there is no telling if it is PROBABLE, that TrumpCO and the Republican leadership know that there is going to be, and we are on our way to, an ECONOMIC CATACLYSM. Total economic destruction, with the Dollar being creamed with deepening currency devaluation to a point that a Million Dollars will be meaningless. SCARY TIMES coming – – possibly. CAN ANYONE save the system?
Well it sure is not going to be the republicans. When it hits the toilet. Those who the system has benefited the 40 years will be the ones to sweep in on the fire sale. Ie very wealthy and corporations.
You may turn out to be right about all this, but look at it from Trump’s point of view. He isn’t the sort of politician who follows public opinion: he wants to be a leader.
He saw an opportunity to create order and peace in the Middle East. It wouldn’t be a perfectly just peace, but are they ever? It would have benefitted Israel and pleased Jewish Americans.
It seems to have gone wrong, at least to some degree. But oil is getting out again, and the American public have finally woken up to their subjection to the Jewish lobby, so I don’t think it is all bad.
It may also be good that the Europeans are being forced to make an effort to look after their own defense again. That MAY mean an end to the worldwide export of depraved Anglosphere morality (women’s lib and racial equality), because there won’t be American soldiers in Germany to gently hint at following the line, but I think that is a good thing, too. I note that there are still American soldiers in Japan and Korea encouraging our depraved ideas to be adopted there.
We are looking forward to more American soldiers in Australia, but that’s all right because we have already jumped headfirst into the cesspool as far as morality goes.
I have a theory that women’s lib is always the last stage of decadence before a society collapses, and it is followed by a vicious religion that is unnecessarily cruel to women: a reaction against the decadence. I see Christianity and Islam as two of those vicious religions. I note that Christianity is also a torture cult: you will burn for all eternity if you don’t believe it, or even if you have never heard of it.
As long as the Republicans don’t lose the Senate to the point where the Democrats have a two-thirds majority, I think Trump can ride out the next two years. It won’t be good, but politics rarely is. Then we may hope that the Democrats will discredit themselves badly enough to lose the next presidential election. Or maybe your military will finally wake up and put a stop to the whole nonsensical charade. Remember that everybody in American who can think at all knows that your power rests on your pre-eminence in military manufacturing.
“He saw an opportunity to create order and peace in the Middle East.”
So he murdered the negotiators in a sneak attack.
Dare to be stupid.
Christianity and Islam are responses to decadence of women’s liberation?
Racial equality is depraved?
You’re a nut! GTFO
he’s fucking around for kicks. no doubt.
He called Epstein’s victims little hookers and told everyone we were probably jealous of those on the island, proof below. He’s said this multiple times too. Guy has probably touched kids before.
https://mishtalk.com/economics/does-president-trump-have-any-idea-what-passports-are-for/#comment-449328
WTF DUDE. whatever you are smoking, i want a kilo to sell down at the local junior HS.
I could not have that on my conscience.
The pedophile’s wisdom never ceases to amaze. Please tell us more Arthur “little hookers” Orwell
Pope hats at baseball games, too.
Trump may want to be a leader but he is lacking in a large number of areas. Ie. The ability to make good decisions, the inability to tell the truth, the inability to admit error, he is a pedophile, and his very nature is one of corruption, to name just five.
He has made a mockery of the office of president, of American democracy in general, of the rule of law and the US justice system, the army, navy, and marines, the medical system, and has made a fool of the US on the foreign stage.
Once he loses control of the senate and congress he will no longer have any control over GOP senators and congressmen and they will attempt to distance themselves from this burning wreck and will more than likely vote their conscious in an effort to get re-elected as Trump will be a lame duck with no future. Being the political creatures that they are they will likely abandon him en mass.
At least I hope that is what happens.
So, if I understand you correctly, you think that women should not have equal rights to men, and that racial inequality is something to strive for? And that is that is achieved, this would be the pinnacle of civilization? That is one vile way of thinking.
You have thrown a way too many things into the space here and it is not working. You lost me on D. Trump’s actions were motivated by establishing some sort of peace in the region. His objective has been solely to benefit Israel and to please the diaspora which has so much control over US politics. While being correct about that lobby power in US it most likely did not get you much support in this forum.
Christianity and Islam’s moral codex does collide with traditional perception of a woman as a sinner (as per a Hebrew bible) but your conclusions seem to be a bit of a stretch. Nevertheless, the anglosphere is leading the world in pursuit of decadence, lack of moral balances and out of control greed and ignorance, to name a few…. And in that sense, D. Trump is a true leader. Otherwise, he is just a showman, a TV personality, an actor.
Tired of hearing which party to be trusted / preferable.
RED and BLUE – they are the 2 faces of the same coin / Uniparty.
They are controlled by –
F–k Democracy
F–k Capitalism
What we have is neither democracy nor capitalism. We were never technically a democracy but even the pretense is long-gone, and the gov’t is suppressing important aspects of capitalism (everything the politicians don’t like).
Agreed!
Get rid of the political duopoly and loyalty to party
Get rid of the various oligopolies that control people’s lives
Let people compete and choose freely, it’s that simple
dude, a republic is a democracy. stop with the sophomore HS bullshit. the problem is amerikans are nihilist cunts. that’s a technical term. i learned in grad school.
Calvinist nihilists!
wrong. the voters still rule. the problem is amerikans are nihilist warmongering cunts. 95% that vote red and blue. the few that vote green or libertarian seem to want peace and prosperity. face reality. it’s hard. but ground breaking.
How did the USA become a weird sort of Competitive Kakistocracy? You offer a half senile liar and wardhealer but We Got a guy who lies even more and is elderly and linked with Epstein. What’s next? A rabid monkey? How about McConnell? If you could pick a person at random and get better judgment, what does that say? Xi and Putin must shake their heads and laugh. Pushing people out of windows or disappearing them IS harsh…..but looks kind of wonderful compared to Zero Accountability.
ha ha ha. truth
The answer is simple: Everything became a highschool popularity contest Reagan and onward. People stopped looking for good policy and started voting in reality TV stars from Hollywood. America has been dumbing down for generations and we have finally hit the breaking point of what happens when you defund education to dump trillions into a dead horse military.
Not in decades…biggest political boondoggle ever in American History
Which pernicious evil billionaire oligarchs are with the Ds and vocally against the current admin?
And of those, how many are funding the progressive wing?
Oh that’s right. Fuck off with this both sides BS
A lot. Consult Grok or ChatGPT. You can figure it out on your own- if you wanted to. Might take you 5 minutes if you ask the right questions. 10 minutes if you don’t. I look forward to the Democrats getting power and doing absolutely NOTHING regarding the Epstein files, the Iran war or future wars promoted by the Zionist billionaire class to end future foreign wars for Israel. Your reply is so vague and unclear I’m not even sure what side you are on or what your point is. Maybe tell us what side you think we should support.
“Just ask Grok because I can’t tell you” is such a winning line!
the GOP is already dead. trump purged out all the true conservatives like flake and sanford, massie………IT’S MAGA. repugs went the way of the whigs. kind of funny. of course mish nor i nor anyone could pass a blind test the past 60 years to determine who was in congress or presidency if we went by policies and wars and speending and borrowing and on and on. it’s impossible. the problem is democracy works. the greeks warned folks. democracy works. assholes will elect assholes and wage war. the romans did NOT heed that warning. my people by blood and by citizenship. italia and usa.
If we continue on our current path people may start voting at 3200 feet per second.
What part of Trumps immigration policy is unpopular? The 100K H1Bs that just got over turned?
His policies on illegals and the ICE tactics have nothing to do with immigration since illegals are not by definition immigrants, they are illegals.
Regardless, the price of gas (economy) is deciding this election, not immigration, not health care etc and that makes complete sense because people vote for/against whatever benefits them personally and high gas prices and raging inflation affects them more than all the rest combined.
That makes no sense. Of course illegal immigrants are immigrants. Immigrants are just a way to describe people who are coming into the country, legally or not.
How many Americans do you know that take issue with legal immigrants?
The fact that they came in illegally has nothing to do with the fact that they are indeed immigrants. Look at a dictionary definition of the two words, but they mean absolutely different things.
What most people assume when they are asked about which party is better on immigration is about the immigration policies of each party for those who come here illegally and the policies to control the border.
There are many who believe that no immigrant is illegal and support sanctuary cities and the other extremist nonsense of the extreme left. Then there are the hard right ‘deport them all’ extremists on the other side. Both of those extremes are stupid and ludicrous.
OTOH there are a lot of Americans who believe that we should indeed control our borders and not let any and all comers in at all times. OTOH they don’t agree with the current administration tactics that attempt to implement the ‘deport them all’ extreme of the hard right.
So, when Americans are polled about immigration, they don’t assume that the question is about legal immigration. That’s nonsensical, because it’s not a controversial policy.
And while I agree the economy is indeed the most important factor in people’s minds, do you seriously think that the other issues are not factors to many Americans? If I care about 6 issues, and I view one party as negative on 5 of them, it just makes me more likely to be motivated against them. There are many millions of people who will be voting in the next several weeks; statistically if you anger more than 50% of the voters on multiple issues, good luck trying to win an election.
I’d like to place a sign at the base of the Statue of Liberty that says, NO VACANCY.
The voters want cheap everything. Which is the one thing that they can’t have.
But they will vote for the party that most effectivly promises it.
The question is will there be enough left to rebuild on.
Nobody is driving a 1970 Chrysler Imperial LeBaron.
I’m surprised that some people are surprised by this. Look at this first term. Democrats crushed Republicans in the mid-terms because of Trump’s nonsensical COVID policies, plus his just generally hyper-partisan rhetoric. INDEPENDENTS DECIDE ELECTIONS!! Republicans and Democrats are both minority parties in the US. Independents make up about 1/3rd of the electorate. They react negatively to hyper-partisan antics as they are generally moderate. Trump isn’t bright enough to understand that. If you think the populace is anti-Republican now, give Trump 2 more years of idiocy and the GOP will be the TLP: Tiny Little Party.
In Trumps first term Covid didn’t happen till long after the 2018 midterms. It happened in the final year of his term.
Yeah if recall covid got the blame for the recession that had just started. Think trumps tax breaks a bit before covid kept the recession at bay for a few months.
The midterms were in 2018, how could COVID be a factor in 2018?
Trump is the ultimate influencer. For them, stunts are everything.
what pronouns does donald use now? he/him or they/them? i’m gonna start using they them for donald epstein