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Witness the Incredible White Flag Surrender by Trump on Iran

I expected surrender, but these video excerpts go far beyond humiliating.

Trump Leaved Door Open to Iran Enrichment

It’s a little hard when other people have it, other adjoining states have it, and you’re not letting them have it for purposes of electricity and things like that. You have to use a little common sense,” said Trump during a press conference at the G7 summit in Évian-les-Bains, France (June 17, 2026).

Secretary of State Marco Rubio is on our right. Notice the look of indifference if not outright disgust at this announcement.

Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick is on our left.

Hamas Behaved Pretty Well

Why Not Stick Around for the Signing?

“It might not be the kind of document I should be signing. If it doesn’t work out, I’m blaming JD.”

It’s Their Money!

Doocy: Can you explain what the difference is between giving Iran U.S. dollars and unfreezing U.S. dollars?

Trump. We have taken a lot of their money and we have their money. It’s not our money. It’s their money. And we froze it. At a certain point in time, I guess we are going to have to give it back. If we didn’t give it back, no one would ever invest in the dollar again.

No Choice

We Would Run Out of Reserves in Four Weeks

No Fees (fine print for 60 days)

Ben Shapiro

Shapiro blasts the agreement for five distinct reasons.

Shapiro: In my opinion, the Vice President of the United States, the chief negotiator of this particular project has not well served the president.

Stomach-Turning Event

Avoiding Economic Catastrophe

Trump needed to stop the economic catastrophe that he started.

Hegseth Fights One War

Reflections on the Art of the Deal

We Have to Sign the Deal to See What’s In It

Unfair for Iran to Not Have Missiles

Trump: I’m saying that if other countries have them, it’s a little bit unfair for them to not have some.

Was “Unfair for Iran to not have some missiles” on your bingo card? How about “Hamas is behaving pretty well.“?

It’s difficult to overstate how one-sided this deal is.

I was one of few who expected a deal when Trump kept announcing them. I felt Trump had no choice.

But it’s hard to overstate how stupid Trump looks with some of the statements he made today.

This was a total surrender by President Trump.

Addendum

I left off something I have said at least three times: From where Trump was, waving the white flag of surrender was his best option.

Trump could have gone one further and admitted a mistake instead of trying to package horse hockey as a victory.

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Elder Son
Elder Son
17 days ago

Who cares? The whole shit-show is built on manufactured lies and manufactured self-inflicted wounds on behalf of Israel.

The U.S. went to war with Iran over a nuclear weapons program its own intelligence agencies said did not exist, then the president claimed 38 times — over roughly 14 weeks — that Iran had agreed to abandon a program it was not running, while no agreement materialized. As of June 13, 2026, a 39th claim has been made with a signing ceremony reportedly being arranged, with the same level of skepticism warranted as the previous 38.

The Underlying Absurdity: Iran had zero highly enriched uranium when Trump scrapped the Obama-era nuclear deal in 2018. Iran built its enriched uranium stockpile — the thing Trump is now claiming to have solved — in direct response to his first-term withdrawal. He created the condition he is now repeatedly claiming to have resolved.

The $1.7 billion settlement in 2016: This was not a new aid package to Iran. The Obama administration settled a decades-old dispute over money Iran had paid before the 1979 Iranian Revolution for military equipment that was never delivered. The settlement consisted of about $400 million in principal (Iran’s original money) plus roughly $1.3 billion in interest. The initial $400 million was delivered in foreign currency and became famous as the “pallets of cash” story. Officials said cash was used because sanctions made normal banking transfers difficult.

The much larger amount of money associated with the Iran nuclear deal (JCPOA): The Obama administration did not send Iran tens or hundreds of billions of dollars from U.S. taxpayers. Instead, sanctions relief allowed Iran to regain access to its own assets and oil revenues that had been frozen abroad. Estimates commonly ranged around $100 billion, though the amount Iran could actually access immediately was lower.

Donald is a serial liar.

PapaDave
PapaDave
17 days ago
Reply to  Elder Son

All correct and understood by most here; other than the cult morons.

why
why
17 days ago
Reply to  Elder Son

Makes ya wonder doesn’t as if planned: the destruction of the world economy, destruction of the American economy, increasing the national debt when already at or nearing crisis levels, and destroying American (Western in general) credibility.

Yet every nation gears up.

Then the plug was pulled to upset a region that holds a lot of the world’s supply of oil. This simply isn’t over now. No, it’s only one the beginning.

peelo
peelo
17 days ago

Trump threatened total destruction of Iran’s culture, and suddenly he sounds like their good will and tourism ambassador. Yes, we did that with Joe Stalin and the USSR, but at least it took awhile.
This whole thing was so ill-conceived, this kind of outcome (or worse) was inevitable. Lessons of decades of global experience were ignored by the stable genius. W Bush started ignoring world opinion in the GWOT 2003, and now, there’s no perceived need for even a nod at widespread US buy-in. So, politically, the GOP is running in circles from Trump’s insanely subjective pivoting. He’s got them all dancing ludicrously. It perfectly befits him.
But I don’t put it past him to completely u-turn in another week. The GOP can complain, but at least they aren’t having global economic collapse laid at their feet. This shows Trump’s weird compulsions will put him pretty far out on a plank that may break behind him.

Last edited 17 days ago by peelo
Jon chris
Jon chris
17 days ago

this will fail because Iran has nothing but accelerating momentum to leverage global decline and foist even more benefits from the worldwide captive audience.
Trump, being irrational at best and extremely lacking in creativity,will start the ground war and say that midterms are postponed because Zelinskyy did it and nobody complained so…

njbr
njbr
17 days ago

Overton window shift

One congressional Republican tells me: “Conservatives on the Hill are stunned that Vance would erase all of Trump’s military victories in such a terrible deal. Trump effectively won the war and at the 11th hour Vance is negotiating his way to a loss.”-NewsNation

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
17 days ago
Reply to  njbr

That is some hilarious revisionism. Those neocons should tell us how Vance forced Poor Widdle Trump to sign, Vance even threatened to take away Trump Wumpy’s lunch money….

Quatloo
Quatloo
17 days ago
Reply to  njbr

This is an AIPAC technique to have its minions in Congress blame Vance for everything and allow Trump to save face by throwing him under the bus

Dave Smith
Dave Smith
17 days ago

It’s as if none of this was known before the 28th of February. While I do not know, I smell a situation where Trump may have been properly advised and just did what he wanted. Result now, we have the greatest economy ever and the greatest military every, even better than before he rebuilt both of them in his first term, NOT. Well, now the world knows our economy is a mismanaged debt constrained mess and our military was rebuilt with dated armament. Way to go Trump, except in this new game you’re playing for the US citizen, you cannot declare bankruptcy on behalf of the country and start over at our debtor’s expense. This is a disaster beyond Viet Nam. Trump is a lying incompetent basket case. He just put frosting on the midterm election cake. I hope democrats are better, but I admit hope in not a good strategy for about anything.

Sentient
Sentient
17 days ago

While starting this illegal, immoral and unjustified war was a complete betrayal by Trump of everything he campaigned on, it’s almost worth it to see the Israel-firsters in total meltdown. Hopefully Trump enjoys their weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth so much that he carries it to the next level by cutting off all aid to and cooperation with the Zionist regime the next time they heartlessly attack innocent civilians – which will probably be in about two hours. I can dream …

Jon
Jon
17 days ago
Reply to  Sentient

“While starting this illegal, immoral and unjustified war was a complete betrayal by Trump of everything he campaigned on“

Meh, Trump has immorally betrayed just about everyone around him and business partners his whole life. So this is expected. Exactly why someone would have to be a moron to vote for him.

Jon
Jon
17 days ago

So Professor Pape says this agreement is even worse than it appears, because it will take a couple of months for the tankers to get around the world and unload. World inventories will continue to decline for the next few months. Which only increases Irans negotiating powers. In 60 days, they can use Israel and Lebanon as an excuse to close the Strait again with catastrophic consequences. They will likely require the dismantling of our bases and the end of support for Israel. They will become the regional hegemon of maybe the most important place on the planet. And all of this is catastrophic for America’s position in the world.

Arthur Orwell
Arthur Orwell
17 days ago
Reply to  Jon

So how come the price of oil is falling? Traders aren’t always right, but they typically know more than the people who just talk about it.

PapaDave
PapaDave
17 days ago
Reply to  Arthur Orwell

Half the traders are right and half are wrong. They are on both sides of the trade after all.

Oil rose at first because of fears of severe shortages which have only happened in a few isolated instances so far. Severe shortages have been prevented through massive inventory drawdowns. Problem is, those inventories are running low and will continue to draw down in the coming weeks. It’s going to take some time to restore production and shipments, and there is no guarantee we can get back to where we were before the war.

I am watching US inventories with great interest. The largest commercial US storage is at Cushing. It is now at operational minimum of 20 mb. The US SPR has drawn down to 340 mb. Operational minimum is unknown but is estimated between 250 mb and 300 mb.

US diesel inventories are at 23 year lows. US gasoline inventories are 6% lower than the 5 year average.

We are not far from shortages. If they occur, then we could see prices head back up. Time will tell.

todde
todde
17 days ago

Trump demanded Unconditional Surrender and he accomplished his goal. he just never said which side he was referring to.

njbr
njbr
17 days ago

if they don’t take the money, we’ll bomb them..

CJW
CJW
17 days ago

I was wrong about Trump. I thought he would sign a crappy deal and claim victory when in fact he signed a crappy deal and admitted defeat!

Sentient
Sentient
17 days ago
Reply to  CJW

If he did that more frequently he’d be less hated. His line about blaming JD was funny because it was true. And Little Marco (the Cuban John Bolton) stood there stone-faced knowing his 2028 prospects are somewhere between far-fetched and nonexistent. Besides he’s too short to be president by modern standards.

peelo
peelo
17 days ago
Reply to  Sentient

At least there’s comedy gold in these times, watching these guys gyrate.

Flavia
Flavia
17 days ago
Reply to  Sentient

Yes, must be tall, and possess what the strategists call “charisma”.

moparsully
moparsully
17 days ago
Reply to  Flavia

Trump is 6’3″ and 230 lbs, like a typical NFL QB

The camera takes away 4 inches and adds 80 pounds

yippee
yippee
17 days ago

israel is a useful idiot and pawn for pax amerika. nothing more. as we retreat from mideast, zion goes bye bye.

Sentient
Sentient
17 days ago
Reply to  yippee
PapaDave
PapaDave
17 days ago

Fascinating! As many said, Iran had all the leverage, and successfully used it. More importantly, they will continue to use it. Trump’s folly has turned them into a much stronger player on the world stage to the detriment of the other countries in the region, and the entire world in general.

As expected, oil prices are dropping on the hope that flows will resume soon, and the belief that we could be in surplus by 2027.

In the meantime, Iran is sending out their tankers, and collecting payments on those sales and previously sanctioned sales.

But the strait is not yet “fully” open, and tankers from the other countries will not return to normal shipping levels anytime soon. Trust in the ceasefire is low. It will take time to see if we can get back towards “normal” levels of oil and other product shipments.

Global inventory drawdowns continue. US SPR down to 340 mb, and will continue to drop to the 250 mb level, according to the agreed releases. I am watching with great interest to see if the caverns can hold together as levels drop (lots of speculation, no one really knows for certain).

Commercial inventories are still dropping and will continue to drop for many weeks. Cushing is at the 20 mb operational minimum. Watching that as well.

Refinery crack spreads for diesel have dropped a bit, but are rising towards all time highs for gasoline again.

Patiently waiting for shortages to appear, and higher prices. Currently using some of my above average cash position to add to many stock positions as oil prices drop.

I expect higher oil prices this summer, even if the ceasefire holds. And a spike in prices if the ceasefire doesn’t hold.

Frosty
Frosty
17 days ago
Reply to  PapaDave

And if/when a hurricane threatens the gulf? A significant spike up.

If a hurricane hits oil infrastructure at category four or five?

Game on!

Buffalobob
Buffalobob
17 days ago

Iran’s surrender terms seem quite generous. After all it was the US that provoked and started this war, even dastardly using negotiations to obscure its first strike. Iran had the leverage it seems, to demand that the US leave the region entirely and stop supporting Israel with intelligence and military hardware. This may happen anyway.

Its funny how analogous international relations can be to Junior High School. Trump is the bully / blowhard that has been harassing the small kid all year, finally provokes the kid into a fight who then beats the crap out of him, and pantses him to boot. Israel is the evil girlfriend egging the bully on.

Hopefully the evil girlfriend will fail in trying to convince the bully to get back into the fight, and he will be smart enough to dump her.

Frosty
Frosty
17 days ago
Reply to  Buffalobob

+100 or Bingo… 😉

randocalrissian
randocalrissian
17 days ago
Reply to  Buffalobob

If you deem Iran’s terms generous, what would you have advised them to demand, in terms of marginal concessions from the USA? A Trillion dollars in reparations? Immediate Strait tolls? Some other stuff?

Quatloo
Quatloo
17 days ago

How about get all of their money unfrozen now?

Buffalobob
Buffalobob
17 days ago

I would have advised them to demand the evacuation of all US military personnel and abandonment of all US military bases in the Gulf Region, as well as the end to all military equipment transfers and intelligence support to Israel.

KMax
KMax
17 days ago

honestly i am rooting for trump now. my rage at his war has now turned into delight and support. no other president, on purpose or not, could achieved the dismantling of american empire in my life time. hopeful this changes the politics in usa as well. how can we justify this bloated military anymore when it’s clearly antiquated? Hopefully now we stop hearing war talk about china from congress. who could say such things after all this with a straight face?

peelo
peelo
17 days ago
Reply to  KMax

I think Trump’s expectation for the future welfare state is a warfare state: millions of guys in uniform, available to pull off some frightening domestic stuff on behalf of an elite-driven “restructuring”. I would see it as similar to what USSR-Russia transition did to the wide populace: draw up the capital drawbridge. Rights for all are too costly. Of course they will dress it up as something other than that.
I live in a city and region with a military fiscal backbone going back 120 years. The propaganda here is deafening. All local news is jacked up 24/7 about sporting-military-adjacent “events” this summer. They are trying to drown out any other kind of popular culture. It is all fighting sports, car races, electric guitar wails, garish graphics, militarist stuff.

Last edited 17 days ago by peelo
Joe Penny
Joe Penny
17 days ago

5D chess yet again from the Master !!!
Israel wrecked on the global stage — twas the plan all along.
I nailed this call long before Mish (loz)
Still waiting for one of Mish’s seven prior “recession” calls to pay off (lolz x 2)

Woodsie Guy
Woodsie Guy
17 days ago
Reply to  Joe Penny

Wouldn’t it have been easier and make Trump look like a strong leader by simply telling Israel to fuck off in the 1st place?

You MAGA chuds really are in a cult. Wow…

peelo
peelo
17 days ago
Reply to  Woodsie Guy

What, snap your fingers and AIPAC vanishes? How does THAT work? Trump was going all in on campus speech, etc., in the opposite direction to what you imagined here. Of course, he is not above pivoting in the weirdest times for the strangest reasons.

randocalrissian
randocalrissian
17 days ago
Reply to  Joe Penny

Put it back in your pants, Joe.

Jon chris
Jon chris
17 days ago

dude, that acorn is forever hidden in the bush

Frosty
Frosty
18 days ago

South Park has decade worth of material here…

Trump has totally folded in a sudden capitulation and reversal to everything he has been saying since day one of his war.

Israel should be paying war reparations to Iran, Lebanon and the US in my opinion.

Frosty
Frosty
18 days ago
Reply to  Frosty

BTW, by throwing JD under the bus, Rubio moves to the favored son in the Republican Party.

Frosty
Frosty
18 days ago
Reply to  Frosty

Does Hegseth now run the “Department of Capitulation”?

Or, “Depleted ordinance Department”?

Possibly the ” I wish we would have thought this through Department”?

Yttrium stockpiles are now depleted and Military jet engines can not function without being re-coated. Sucks to have ignored the need to stockpile essential rare earths before starting a protracted war. Also sucks to alienate trading partners.

Neil
Neil
18 days ago
Reply to  Frosty

I vote for ” I wish we would have thought this through Department”, but “We can’t win a war but we can shoot fishermen at sea Department” sounds good too.

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
17 days ago
Reply to  Neil

Not to mention we are very good at murdering schoolgirls and rescue workers.

Men who are capable of fighting back? Not so much.

peelo
peelo
17 days ago
Reply to  Neil

How about War Comprised of Shooting Ourselves in the Foot Department.

Jon
Jon
17 days ago
Reply to  Frosty

Rubio may be the biggest douchebag in the administration. Zero principles and willing to do or say anything for money and power. So yes, definitely the prime Republican candidate.

peelo
peelo
17 days ago
Reply to  Jon

Rubio cleverly ducked and let JD take the hit. You know, Rubio was a protege of Jeb Bush. Yeah, that Jeb Bush. The little fella can run some fancy broken-field patterns between these big fat oafs.

Jojo
Jojo
18 days ago
Reply to  Frosty

Luckily, your opinion does not count towards anything.

Jon
Jon
17 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

Why did Trump lose Jojo?

Jojo
Jojo
17 days ago
Reply to  Jon

Why did the chicken cross the road? The answer is unknowable until he/it tells us.

Frosty
Frosty
17 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

JoJo,

Sorry that your little killing Zionist heart is broken. The entire Middle East is now solidly against you and your bully big brother just went into re-hab.

You are on your own and raping or killing schoolgirls has consequences!

Reminder ~ ~ ~ “Broken Hearts are for Assholes” Frank Zappa

randocalrissian
randocalrissian
17 days ago
Reply to  Frosty

wristwatch, Crisco, pud

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
17 days ago

Meowrrp?

Woodsie Guy
Woodsie Guy
17 days ago
Reply to  Frosty

Their first movie had Saddam and Satan as the antagonists. They could easily make another movie with Satan and Trump as the new antagonists. Comedy gold.

Frosty
Frosty
17 days ago
Reply to  Woodsie Guy

SP’s Season 28 was Satan having Trumps love child…

Fantastic!

Peace
Peace
18 days ago

Who is Ben?
He doesn’t care who US vice president is.
He doesn’t care who US president is.

We all know he cares only state sponsored terrorist genocidal country, Israel.

Jojo
Jojo
18 days ago
Reply to  Peace

The Iranian Regime has killed millions of its own people over the years, including significant number so non-Shia minorities. More than 50k this year along!

Doesn’t that count as “genocide” in your addled brain? Why aren’t you calling out the Iranian Regime? Because you have a one-track mind and focus?

Last edited 18 days ago by Jojo
pete
pete
18 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

Where is the evidence for this loony statement?

randocalrissian
randocalrissian
17 days ago
Reply to  pete

If he had evidence he would post it

Sentient
Sentient
17 days ago
Reply to  pete

Fifty million, fifty thousand …five. Either way it’s bad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGsJriTylsY

Jojo
Jojo
17 days ago
Reply to  pete

Wake up! Evidence isn’t required on the internet. Anyone can post anything they believe as is seen often here and elsewhere. 😁

KMax
KMax
17 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

lies lies and more lies. anyone who believes iran “gunned down” 50k has obvious cognitive impairment. why not just say 100k or a million since we are just making shit up over here

Jon
Jon
17 days ago
Reply to  KMax

Well, in his defense, he did say “millions over the years”. It is total BS, but it is something he’s had to tell himself to give himself permission to be happy about killing all those little school girls.

john
john
18 days ago

How to show a big Military win to distract us from this loss ? —-Will America invade little Cuba next?

Last edited 18 days ago by john
Augustine
Augustine
17 days ago
Reply to  john

Can’t allow the Epstein files to come fore again, after all.

peelo
peelo
17 days ago
Reply to  john

Rubio can lead a staged San Juan Hill type performative publicity charge. And the USA people will again be left with the dinner check.

Jojo
Jojo
18 days ago

This was sad!

Trump is treating the Iranian Regime the same as he rationalized support for Putin 18 months ago, when he threw Ukraine under the bus. Now he is throwing Israel under the bus. Clearly son-in-law Kushner didn’t have much influence in this agreement. Rubio and Hegseth weren’t on board. And Israel politicians aren’t happy and are blaming Netanyahu.

Was Trump really so afraid of oil prices and inflation affecting the midterm elections that he bent over for the Iranian Regime? Or did Qatar’s birbe of a $300 million airplane (and whatever other local Arab oil potentates deposited into Trump’s bank account) come into play here?

Hardline Israeli Politicians Livid Over Iran Deal, Want Netanyahu Out So They Can Do ‘Real Regime Change’

Tuesday, Jun 16, 2026 – 11:00 AM

Former Prime Minister Naftali Bennett didn’t mince words on Monday: the clock for regime change in Iran starts ticking the moment Israel gets a new government.

Speaking at the Knesset, Bennett unloaded on Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s leadership, declaring that his term “began with a civil war, continued with the massacre of October 7, and ends with a historic failure against Iran.” He tied any serious effort to topple the Iranian regime directly to political change in Jerusalem.

Bennett promised that under new leadership he would revive the “Octopus Doctrine” – hitting Iran with every tool available while blocking its nuclear path – and fix the IDF’s manpower crisis by ending haredi draft exemptions. “When there are no soldiers, you have to conquer the same point again and again, and that way you can’t win,” he said. “We can restore security to Israel.”

Hardliners and Hawks Slam the Deal

Bennett wasn’t alone. Several hardline and hawkish voices erupted in fury over the reported Trump-brokered US-Iran ceasefire agreement, blasting it as a lifeline to the Ayatollahs that leaves Iran’s nuclear infrastructure, ballistic missiles, and regional proxies largely intact, the jpost.com reports.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/hardline-israeli-politicians-livid-over-iran-deal-want-netanyahu-out-so-they-can-do

Neil
Neil
18 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

Trump simply realised he held no cards, and that his opponents were only too happy to call his bluff. Trump forgot to read Sun Tzu’s art of war (not a thick book at all, probably even he could have handled it), who teaches that you should not go to war of you don’t know in advance how you’ll win it. Trump had no plan, Hegseth had no clue, and there you go: Iran is now a lot richer and more powerful.

Jojo
Jojo
18 days ago
Reply to  Neil

I think what Trump, Putin and other modern day blowhard’s such as Xi and Kim Jong-Un are or should be learning is that you can’t win a war, even with modern weapons, if you refuse to put boots on the ground and people in those boots are not allowed to rape, pillage and kill anyone who stands against you (and their families) as the armies of history did.

We are close to being able to field humanoid fighting robots. I wonder what would have changed if we sent in a few hundred thousand Terminator type autonomous robots? Certainly the UN and pacifists everywhere would complain mightily!

Last edited 18 days ago by Jojo
Uwe Ohse
Uwe Ohse
17 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

But you can win a war. Iran just did.

And we aren’t close to being able to field “a few hundred thousand Terminator type autonomous robots”. The (whatever number) robots ‘we’ might field in the future lack the survival abilities and the self healing.
Which means you better field them wherever they can’t be shot at.

Mohamed
Mohamed
17 days ago
Reply to  Uwe Ohse

History is replete with examples of how empires die when new weapons are introduced. There will be no terminator style robots. AI messes up without a human in the loop. But drones, they are the 21st century equivalent of fighter aircraft and every country is making them cheap except those who are held back by the greed of the military industrial complex. God is merciful and He keeps extinguishing fires of war every time it is kindled and does not like corrupters

KMax
KMax
17 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

no the key take away is that $5M worth of drones can take out a $20B aircraft carrier…. the iran military is thousands of times more cost effective than our WW2 era equipment. jets/tanks/carriers OUT. Drones/missles/submarines IN.

peelo
peelo
17 days ago
Reply to  KMax

Kiev just hit an oil refinery outside Moscow with drones. Half a dozen columns of flames and smoke are going up, with what they call “oil rain” falling on the city. Thinking of 1943 over Germany, we had our flyers falling out of the sky in horrible numbers, and had to pull back for months, until we got P-51 escort fighters there. We faced awful losses trying to take out the Ploesti oil refinery in Romania.

Jojo
Jojo
17 days ago
Reply to  KMax

So we had 3 aircraft carriers in the region. WHY didn’t the Iranian Regime choose to make a statement, show how powerful they are by taking out one of these ships?

Logic is not a strong suit of you Iranian Regime fanboys.

Jon
Jon
17 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

So here’s the part you’re missing Jojo. We, the Americans, are supposed to be the good guys, not the bad guys. We want to maintain a self-image of the good Christian nation, protecting innocent women and children from wonton slaughter. Not the bad guys, like the Iranians, gunning down protesters in the street. Going in and raping and pillaging makes us the bad guys. So its not just a question of winning or losing a war, the bigger question is who you are as a people. Are you leading the world to be a gentler, kinder place, or a world full of death, mayhem and destruction? Hard concept to grasp for some, I get it.

peelo
peelo
17 days ago
Reply to  Jon

But for many in Israel the endless perception of existential threat shifts the equations of psychology, etc. (Is this a self-fulfilling prophecy, driving itself ever-more-intensively? Is there an alternative? I don’t have the expertise to say.) The USA has almost always had an easy walk over adjacent weaker parties, allowing the luxury of a more seemingly gentle good guys self-talk rhetoric. I suspect this would all be a bit academic to someone watching their family burnt to cinders in Dresden or Hiroshima.

Last edited 17 days ago by peelo
Stoic
Stoic
17 days ago
Reply to  Jon

Very well said.

Jojo
Jojo
17 days ago
Reply to  Jon

War is place to trample the weak and hurdle the dead, not be a kinder, gentler military force!

When you play at war, like you, the UN and so many other weak-kneed pacifists want, by instituting all sorts of rules and regulations, basically pussy-foot around, wars become unwinnable and many more civilians die, get injured, go hungry, etc.

Better to exert maximum force and get the war over with.

P.S. The US is NOT a “Christian nation”. It was originally a Protestant nation and is now a mixed religion with a significant number rating themselves either agnostic or atheist.

Last edited 17 days ago by Jojo
Frosty
Frosty
18 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

No one has ever been secure around Israel. Nothing but war and terror has come from your vicious, self centered country. Always pretending to be victims…
I hope Trump pulls all US support and lets your tribe fight your own wars.
Your nation state had the opportunity to live peacefully, but instead chose intolerance, aggression and genocide. Reap what you sow!

Jojo
Jojo
17 days ago
Reply to  Frosty

I hope Congress pulls all handouts from farmers and gives the money to Israel.

randocalrissian
randocalrissian
17 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

Lame attempt at a realityczech

Dean
Dean
18 days ago

Both Iran and Venezuela are more about controlling China’s access to energy. All smoke and mirrors otherwise. More than likely, there is some sort of back-door deal. The US can wipe Iran off the face of globe in the matter of hours but toyed with them. The US has more leverage as they enter into more economic conversations with China.

Governments consistently lie. I have zero confidence that all the facts have been released. Therefore, analysis of crap that the government spews is pointless.

Jon
Jon
17 days ago
Reply to  Dean

China is building a massive infrastructure of nuclear power plants and solar/battery. EV auto sales surpassed ICE autos for the first time this year in China. The price of used ICE vehicles are collapsing because no one wants them. In 10 years, China will be essentially independent of fossil fuels. So the best laid plans of “controlling China’s access to energy” will work just about as well as our military did against Iran. They’re both 20th century thinking in a 21st century world. America is being bypassed because Americans are wedded to ideas from the 20th century that made them wealthy and powerful. Just like the British were wedded to 19th century ideas when the US bypassed them. And it’s not going to change, it’s just human nature.

top gone
top gone
17 days ago
Reply to  Jon

There is only one asshole who is stopping windmllls and solar projects from being built.

rk syrus
rk syrus
18 days ago

Have you ever seen the Deep State neo-cons give up? In expanding NATO, against Cuba, in calling Taiwan a “country”? This is a Minsk Accord deception delay to enable Iran Regime Change part III Return of the Shah.

Remember even Obama screwed the Iranians on sanctions relief before 2017. The Fat Lady ain’t even in the dressing room yet.

Wait until oil reserves and weapons stocks are (more) full and they think the pipeline workarounds are ready, then Blammo!

I’m back robbyrob
I’m back robbyrob
18 days ago

Isaac Chotiner interviews Shimon Riklin, an anchor on the Israeli right-wing Channel 14, on the Iran deal
Shimon Riklin, an anchor on the country’s right-wing Channel 14, and a Netanyahu ally, thinks America stabbed Israel in the back.
https://archive.is/fglc3

Augustine
Augustine
17 days ago

Israel delenda est.

Ebolan
Ebolan
18 days ago

Iran War – It’s too much winning
You may even get tired of winning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvWVEddn0LM

LM2020
LM2020
18 days ago

It’s about time for the end of the empire – the Epstein class have been running this con for their own benefit for decades. What has the average American gotten for all the blood and treasure spilled? No healthcare, no jobs, AI everywhere and 40 trillion in debt.

DangerFed
DangerFed
18 days ago
Reply to  LM2020

The no healthcare and no jobs and the debt were not imposed by a foreign alien government somewhere. We are where we are because someone here (a whole lot of someones here) wanted it that way. We have seen the enemy and he is us.

Joe Penny
Joe Penny
17 days ago
Reply to  DangerFed

Meanwhile Israel has free healthcare, free college and a booming economy. Suck on that goyim.

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
17 days ago
Reply to  Joe Penny

Not to mention, free American money and diplomatic cover.

top gone
top gone
17 days ago
Reply to  Joe Penny

We have to stop billionaires. there should be none – once you make a billion you should get a trophy that says you won capitalism and the rest should go to the society that made your wealth possible. I was a repub many years ago. but I will be voting social democrat from now on. Greed at that level is a disease no one needs that much money. period . It is the fatal flaw in our system and will either end in tax legistation or in violent revolution

Augustine
Augustine
17 days ago
Reply to  LM2020

Nay, for 250 years next month. Or do you think that the founding fathers weren’t screwing their slave young women and girls?

DangerFed
DangerFed
18 days ago

Now things get worse only because he is changing from a guy who thought he could do no wrong and insisted he should be our king and dictator to a guy who no longer cares what anyone thinks about anything he does. Hes a sick man who is gonna disappear pretty soon, and that has all the safety of a guy who gets behind the wheel not giving one hang about who he hits and kills.

pete
pete
18 days ago
Reply to  DangerFed

He has dementia….have a little charity

Augustine
Augustine
17 days ago
Reply to  pete

Only when he steps down. No charity for the evil of waiting for the 25th to be 86ed or, worse, the end of his term.

Sentient
Sentient
18 days ago

I was a naysayer and Mish was a yea sayer. I thought it would take a lot longer for Trump to cave. Well into the fall. Once again, Mish was right and I was wrong. Obviously this “deal” – such as it is – could still be sabotaged by Israel, so we’ll see how it goes.

why
why
18 days ago

Isn’t amazing we went from “we have all the time in the world” to “we would run out of reserves in four weeks” to signing the MOU 48hrs early.

The speed of deterioration in will on the part of Trump was a sight to behold, but usually things of this nature where one side in a three man war wasn’t even at the negotiating table, doesn’t end well.

And after it’s been signed Iran is demanding the US put a leash on Israel.

We’re no closer to solving this issue as when it all started. And there’s some serious road blocks to the success to this thing, and maybe purposely so.

I believe between the months of July, August, and September it will be evident that peace was never gonna happen.

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
18 days ago
Reply to  why

I said from the beginning of Trump’s second term that he would crash the global economy. It’s something republicans seem to do every decade, their incompetence has only one outcome.

Even Trump agrees: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRndMiVIB-w

It’s why “Got Puts” and “Got Exit Strategy” are frequently posted. Just give it time…

Do worry, Trump & Walrus will find a way to make things even worse.™

Oh and I read Iran gets $425 billion not $300. Imagine what you can do with all that chedda’ !

Drudge headline says Iran ordering Israel out of Lebanon. Lol. Total humiliation.

Ebolan
Ebolan
18 days ago

But couldn’t the United States of Amerika have given their money back without a war?

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
18 days ago
Reply to  Ebolan

Those school kids needed to die. It was part of God’s plan.

pete
pete
18 days ago
Reply to  Ebolan

I saw an article of ZH today showing where Iran’s frozen funds were….it claimed to be from some UN or other report. It reported that the US has only 2 billion in frozen funds vs around 20 billion frozen in China. Note it is frozen there because it is in dollars and the US is somehow blocking any transfers. The report diode;t explain this.

Woodsie Guy
Woodsie Guy
17 days ago
Reply to  Ebolan

Stop it, you’re making to much sense.

Creamer
Creamer
18 days ago

Everyone I’d like to have a moment of silence for our friend Jojo, who fell dead from a heart attack when he read the agreement. He was a great commenter beloved by all for the laughs he brought us, and he always knew how to light up my day. Rip JoJo 1932-2026

yippee
yippee
18 days ago
Reply to  Creamer

old bastard, eh. on another political blog we had a get together in to have beers and meet each other face to face in gotham post covid. fun times to meet blog pals face to face.

I’m back robbyrob
I’m back robbyrob
18 days ago
Reply to  Creamer
Sentient
Sentient
18 days ago
Reply to  Creamer

I’m afraid that bloodthirsty Zionists in America who so enjoy killing of innocents by Israel will go into withdrawal if Israel is reined in and start killing random people here. They’ll claim they were driven mad by antisemitism.

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Jojo
Jojo
18 days ago
Reply to  Creamer

“Any reports of my death are greatly exaggerated!” ( ͡°👅͡°)

Neil
Neil
18 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

That did make me smile 🙂

I’m back robbyrob
I’m back robbyrob
18 days ago
yippee
yippee
18 days ago

trump circus family grifters made mucho dinero. all that matters in this crumbling evil empire. trump is a nihilist. like many amerikans are. why the people love him so much. fight night at whitehouse was a hoot. idiocracy. president comacho.

I’m back robbyrob
I’m back robbyrob
18 days ago

US forces employed Elon Musk’s Grok AI to strike over 2,000 targets in 96 hours during the joint US-Israel war on Iran, according to a written declaration from the US Department of Defense’s digital and artificial intelligence chief, Cameron Stanley.
The testimony does not provide specific dates of when the technology was deployed and whether it coincides with 28 February, the first day of the war, when the US struck a school killing 156 civilians, including 120 school children.
Stanley characterized the use of GrokAI as “a testament to the greatly increased operational efficiency made possible by the Grok Gov Model”.
Stanley’s sworn testimony marks the first time the Trump administration has directly admitted to using Musk’s AI during the Iran war.

yippee
yippee
18 days ago

just collateral damage to the great riches the grifters of usa made on the war.

Ebolan
Ebolan
18 days ago

Sure a good thing they had Crock or they wouldn’t have won the war.

pete
pete
18 days ago

Yep Grok made a great decision order a war crime and to bomb that school killing hundreds of young girls….Hog’sbreath will be pleased.

Augustine
Augustine
17 days ago
Reply to  pete

So will the trillionaire Musk.

I’m back robbyrob
I’m back robbyrob
18 days ago

meanwhile: Trump threatens to pull unemployment benefits from all states for the first time in historyhttps://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/trump-raises-eyebrows-after-claiming-he-fell-deeply-in-love-with-egyptian-president-after-meeting-in-hotel/ar-AA25SJWl

Ebolan
Ebolan
18 days ago

Bone Spurs Moloch Orange Jewlius Trumpenstein said he loves “the inflation”, too.

Riverbender
Riverbender
18 days ago

I believe the threat is to pull back unemployment administrative cost funding not unemployment benefits

pokercat
pokercat
18 days ago

Come on, at least we’re not shoving helicopters off the side of aircraft carriers into the ocean…………yet.

Ebolan
Ebolan
18 days ago
Reply to  pokercat

Maybe they will shove Pete Hogsloth off the side of the USS Gerry Ford.

Augustine
Augustine
17 days ago
Reply to  pokercat

No, because the aircraft carriers were shoved off the theater for being such juicy targets.

Fubar111111
Fubar111111
18 days ago

Lets give Trump a small bit of credit for finally doing the right thing, after all other alternatves were exhausted.

Of course all neo- cons and Zio-nazi-cons are losing their ship, who cares what those losers say anyway, they backed starting this idiotic war.

yippee
yippee
18 days ago
Reply to  Fubar111111

all our wars since 1945 have been just MICC grifting. includes wall street and raytheon and congress………..to believe anything else is really naive. 9.11.01 was a great gift and an inside job……..so obvious they looked the other way after egging them on.

I’m back robbyrob
I’m back robbyrob
18 days ago
Reply to  Fubar111111

the right thing?? After Months of War, Trump Says Iran Has Right to Nuclear ProgramTrump now says it’s just “common sense” for Iran to have a nuclear program.
https://newrepublic.com/post/212003/trump-iran-right-nuclear-program

Fubar111111
Fubar111111
18 days ago

Getting out of a lost war is the right thing to do

Losers of wars dont geg to dictate terms, winners do.

You lost, get over it

Jojo
Jojo
18 days ago

Sure, they can have a nuclear program but NOT enrich uranium or build a nuclear weapon.

Augustine
Augustine
17 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

As Iran has always stated, confirmed by all the Usonian intelligence services, and that the US agreed on in the JCPOA?

Last edited 17 days ago by Augustine
Peace
Peace
18 days ago
Reply to  Fubar111111

I applaud Trump big, very big.

taco
Taco
TACO , yes, TACO!

Augustine
Augustine
17 days ago
Reply to  Peace

The 🍊’s only virtue is TACO.

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
17 days ago
Reply to  Fubar111111

Give it a bit. They’ll be back and raring for Round II.

Augustine
Augustine
17 days ago
Reply to  Fubar111111

Indeed. I don’t the derisive tone of this article. When a war criminal waves the white flag it should be celebrated, not derided. The next step is to ferry him to international courts and to Nuremberg him.

Bill
Bill
18 days ago

The Art of the Deal – ala Finger Painting

Ebolan
Ebolan
18 days ago
Reply to  Bill

The Art of the Deal – Bone Spurs Moloch Orange Jewlius Trumpenstein, member of the Epstein Class and President of the Epstein Empire, losses, gets nothing.

TheBird
TheBird
18 days ago

They aren’t going to need 60 days. Its been obvious for weeks now that downblending to 3.5% was going to be the “solution” with perhaps Iran shipping some relatively small fraction out of country (ie, selling it to Europe). There will probably be some attempt at limiting the total SWU of their new/rebuilt cascades.

IAEA will return to monitor everything, sign here, done its over.

To me the big question is what Iran does with Pezzbolah. It is in their own interests now to find a way to cut them lose, though they’ll need to maintain face in doing so.

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
18 days ago

“We would run out of (oil) reserves at about 4 weeks, you know, there are reserves all over the world, and we would really run out” …”Trump admits he buckled to the pressure of a global economic collapse”

So Trump has admitted:

  1. Iran has the power to drain the US oil reserves by shutting down the Strait.
  2. Iran has the power to cripple the world economy.
  3. The US was impotent to do anything about it.
  4. Israel gets thrown to the wolves.
  5. It’s all JD’s fault.

Where are all the tools & fools bragging about “owning the skies” and “decimating Iran” and all that hooray blah blah blah? Looks like reality isn’t the same as Hollywood. MAGA morons lose again. Tired of losing yet?

“Regan rolling over in his grave….” -Senator Cassidy.

Only Trump could make that happen.

🔆🔆🔆 3-Star Mishelin award issued on this post for excellence.

SleemoG
SleemoG
18 days ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

I’m not getting the “Reagan rolling over in his grave” thing. Reagan treasonously stabbed the Carter Administration in the back by conducting shadow negotiations with the ultra-revolutionary mullahs and then supplied them with weapons in exchange for cash to fund the Sandinista war in Nicaragua. Seems to me Reagan would fucking love what Trump achieved and perhaps wish he had dreamed that big.

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
18 days ago
Reply to  SleemoG

I don’t get it either, my point was to illustrate MAGA on MAGA hate and invoking the “saviors” name (Regan) to do it. Trump always looked up to Regan and assumed he would be as loved.

yippee
yippee
18 days ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

reagan was a lifelong pitchman for GE and a great actor and grifter, too. Donald is the empire’s greatest grifter and con man. the history books will be littered with PHD in Trumpology over the next 500 years.

peelo
peelo
17 days ago
Reply to  yippee

Trump threw Cassidy under the bus, so that is now a fringe voice to MAGA. Still wishful to say MAGA is splitting down the middle, though we’ll see.
Don Regan was the Treasury Secretary and Chief of Staff for Ronald Reagan.

pokercat
pokercat
18 days ago
Reply to  SleemoG

Reagan was a snake, a stupid snake.

yippee
yippee
18 days ago
Reply to  SleemoG

exactly correct. Someone on this site knows their 20th century history. our family(wall street) made mucho moolah with the shah of iran. our gravy train ended with the mullahs. no moolah with the mullahs. the shah was a very generous client.

Blurtman
Blurtman
18 days ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

“Israel gets thrown to the wolves.”

Ha, ha, ha. Oh, that is rich. Israel is the biggest war-monger on the planet, taking over land in Syria, Lebanon, and Gaza. Oh, poor Israel.

Face it, the Israelis don’t give a shit about America, and only use the country to obtain its goals.

Last edited 18 days ago by Blurtman
yippee
yippee
18 days ago
Reply to  Blurtman

israel is amerika’s bitch and useful idiot and offhore platform for intelligence…..in the sea of oil we think we control since the 1920s. you have it backwards old sport.

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
18 days ago
Reply to  Blurtman

Israel can temporarily occupy whatever it wants but it won’t last the same way the British didn’t hold on to any territory over the long haul nor the French nor Dutch or other colonizers. Heck, “European-Americans” are barely hanging on to North America as hordes of “invaders” take over. Wouldn’t be happening were it not for an internal demographic death spiral.

It’s a numbers game, those that reproduce faster win the race over time. The Muslim community has a 500m to 10m head start in the Middle East.

Trump is throwing Israel to the wolves if you think in 4D. Just wait a decade or two and get back to me on where Israel is then.

yippee
yippee
18 days ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

correct. 100%. israel won’t last until their 100 years.

Ebolan
Ebolan
18 days ago
Reply to  Blurtman

“Israel gets thrown to the wolves.”

No, Trumpster gets another golden pager from Bibi…one that works this time.

pokercat
pokercat
18 days ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

If JD had an ounce of intelligence he would have told trump, “Mr President, I have but one job, that is waiting for you to die.” “You can have someone on your staff contact me when you’re gone, please don’t take too long”.

Damn fool should have told trump that on Jan 21st.

Nate
Nate
18 days ago
Reply to  pokercat

Sadly intelligence is not on the menu wrt to this republican adminsitration.

Brutus Admirer
Brutus Admirer
18 days ago
Reply to  pokercat

JD is actually pretty smart. You try navigating the Neocon power structure that constitutes the DeepState. I hate to see him constantly having to kiss Zionist asses, but no one thrives in the Republican or Democratic parties without doing it.

Neil
Neil
18 days ago
Reply to  Brutus Admirer

That’s fair. One would hope though that they would also apply those smarts to governing, not just power struggles.

Ebolan
Ebolan
18 days ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Dang, a 3 Star Mishelin award.

yippee
yippee
18 days ago

crumbling evil empire 101. as we crumble, israel will need a new protector or evacuate to brooklyn and miami and los angeles.

pokercat
pokercat
18 days ago
Reply to  yippee

Naw JERSEY give em Jersey.

peelo
peelo
17 days ago
Reply to  yippee

Wow, that would be like Saigon ’75 or Kabul ’21 or Germany ’38. Kind of scary to imagine. That’s a whole different epoch of history.

Tony Frank
Tony Frank
18 days ago

Taco has been and will always be a buffoon and known as the worst president in our nation’s history. Hard to believe how any human being can support such a deranged character. He wouldn’t think twice of selling out the US for less than thirty pieces of silver.

Augustine
Augustine
17 days ago
Reply to  Tony Frank

And would call it a great deal.

threeblindmice
threeblindmice
18 days ago

Few thoughts:

  1. You can’t entirely blame Trump for this deal given that he is merely acknowledging reality, finally (Iran’s control over Hormuz, they wouldn’t collapse, they were stronger than expected). You can certainly blame him for ignoring reality when he entered the war. I’m glad he finally accepted reality.
  2. Note Ben Shapiro taking pot shots at Vance. Why? Because Shapiro hates Tucker Carlson for questioning Israel and Carlson is close to Vance and Vance was against the attack on Iran. Shapiro was (is/always) pro any action that furthers his understanding of Israel’s interests.
  3. Yes, the deal is mostly a capitulation/re-embrace of realities.

Well done Trump, Bibi, Hegseth, Rubio…

Ginko Biloba
Ginko Biloba
18 days ago

I heard the Iranians were going to add a provision regarding the name of the Strait of Hormuz, changing it to (in Arabic) “قصة انتصار إيران على الرئيس الأمريكي الشرير ترامب.” which translates roughly to: “The Strait of Iran’s Triumph Over the Wicked American President Trump.” So, in the future, unless you can say it in Farsi or Arabic, please refer to the The Strait of Iran’s Triumph Over the Wicked American President Trump as being open or closed. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Mmj
Mmj
18 days ago

Yikes, what a turd sandwich we all are forced to devour. Trump’s rationalizing afterwards is almost worse.

TheBird
TheBird
18 days ago
Reply to  Mmj

it is exactly what he should have been rationalizing on day one instead of listening to Bibi and the neocon/israel hawks.

Sentient
Sentient
18 days ago
Reply to  Mmj

Trump surrendering is fine by me. Iran never did nothing to me. The bad part is the blood of thousands of innocent Iranian civilians on our hands and the $1/2 trillion or so this will have cost us in the final analysis.

peelo
peelo
17 days ago
Reply to  Sentient

How about the botch job we did on Iraq? The fatalities and ruin and chaos increased? The horrific expense for us (borrowed, during domestic tax cuts, not unlike Vietnam)? Same old same old.
These are forms of stealth taxation on the American people (wealth transfer), along with blood taxation on us and others. The dividends of our winning wars (WW2, Cold War) have been reinvested in ever-stupider wars.

njbr
njbr
18 days ago

Absolutely no mention of the dynamic duo–Kushner and Witkoff

“If it doesn’t work out, I’m blaming JD.”

Blurtman
Blurtman
18 days ago

The Adelsons file for a refund.

BigBob
BigBob
18 days ago

The Chief Pedophile of the United States has to regard this as a big win for him. No mention of Epstein.

Quatloo
Quatloo
18 days ago

There is no way this MoU turns into a final agreement in 60 days. It’s just impossible to imagine these two countries sitting down and finalizing terms, especially with Israel focused on trying to blow up the deal.

Arthur Orwell
Arthur Orwell
18 days ago
Reply to  Quatloo

You aren’t counting on Trump doing something like what he did with one of the Palestinian leaders (I don’t remember which one), or with the boy Kim from North Korea. If you remember, Trump told the Palestinian leader, “You lied to me,” which must have been a big surprise to the Palestinian since he thought he was allowed to lie. Again if you remember, Trump flew all the way to Thailand to meet the boy Kim, and then turned around and flew home, leaving the boy Kim to go home by train. I suppose Kim had gotten a bit carried away with the idea that he was actually meeting on equal terms with the President of the United States, and wanted a lot more than he could actually get. It must have been a good lesson to him.

I don’t think Trump is so weak that he is in Netanyahu’s pocket. Netanyahu probably doesn’t think so any more either, though he may have started out with that idea. I hope Trump gives him political asylum when he needs it. The Israelis have a nasty habit of putting their leaders in jail after they leave power.

Quatloo
Quatloo
17 days ago
Reply to  Mike Shedlock

No, if this goes on for 60 days time will be extended, no way Trump wants to go back to war before the election. In that case it won’t matter.

If the MoU blows up in the next 30 days, however, there is a good chance we go right back into the war, or another standoff with the strait closed. Israel will do everything it can to force that outcome. I hope that doesn’t happen. The sooner we send the Navy off to other seas the better.

SteveP
SteveP
18 days ago

What is next? – Maybe Trump will actually GIVE nuclear weapons to Iran, along with ballistic missiles, and provide training for the IRGC in how to use them. This is along the same line of thinking where city governments provide needles and “safe spaces” for heroin or meth addicts to shoot up.

threeblindmice
threeblindmice
18 days ago
Reply to  SteveP

Clearly, they need nuclear weapons. They are constantly being attacked and threatened with “civilizational destruction”. Anyone who uses that language would clearly intend harm. (Isn’t that what the pro-war faction ascribes to “death to America” chants?)

Augustine
Augustine
17 days ago
Reply to  SteveP

Clearly the Iranian ballistic missiles are better than the Usonian ones. As a matter of fact, Iran could teach the US how to make hypersonic ones. Alas, Iran would never.

Last edited 17 days ago by Augustine
Jackula
Jackula
18 days ago

More of the howling about the U.S. capitulation should be directed at Netanyahu, after all he was the architect of this mess…

Harrold
Harrold
18 days ago
Reply to  Jackula

Trump is President. You can’t deflect any of the blame. It falls directly on Trump and the Republican’s shoulders.

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
18 days ago
Reply to  Harrold

Trump himself sure doesn’t seem to want to own this turkey. In fact, he seems eager to hand off blame to Vance or anyone else.

Ryan
Ryan
18 days ago

At least he knew when to throw in the towel in this big mistake he made. Would you have rather him continue the war?

Augustine
Augustine
17 days ago
Reply to  Mike Shedlock

The addendum is still in a defeatist tone, when it should be celebratory. Which tone is it? How do you really feel about it, since you bothered to write an article about it?

todde
todde
18 days ago

these are the same group of people who tariffed uninhabited islands.

did you think they’d be competent enough to negotiate anything, let alone this?

peelo
peelo
17 days ago
Reply to  todde

They took away a picture of the world’s most famous B-29 bomber, with the pilot’s mom’s name, “Enola Gay,” painted on its fuselage, because it said “gay.” This is the Beevis and Butt Head admin.

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