Wuhan Mother Speaks Out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkpTJXn9_gg
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- Only normal citizens are suffering. The government does not care about us. We can’t buy medicine with money. We can’t go to the hospital with money.
- And in Hong Kong, I support your independence. I also support Taiwan independence. Tibet and Hong Kong, I support independence.
- Not a single person can speak freely. If anyone speaks about the truth, they are detained, If they decide it’s 10 years or 20 years then it’s already decided. Even lawyers are useless.
- I’m gonna tell you something. 1 person’s sacrifice 2 people’s sacrifice is a sacrifice that is necessary of a revolution. I will make a sacrifice for may parents, for my family, for our free lives.
- I know it is dangerous for me to speak out. But I can’t take it anymore, I cannot.
- No beds, no medicine, all the news from TV is a lie.
- In this evil society I can no longer keep my mouth shut. No one is willing to speak out. I am going to stand up and make a voice. We really have to resist my fellow citizens. I can’t live like this anymore.
Wow.
Now that’s a patriot. And that is what China fears most.
I cannot confirm where that video was filmed.
I can say that it is similar to what the New York Times reports in Fear, Fury and the Coronavirus.
The NYT reporters were in China.
Food Supply Issues
Political Unrest Highest Since Tiananmen Square (1989)
Beijing Afraid?
Yes.
“China’s Communist rulers are not just fighting an epidemic. They are also struggling to contain an upwelling of public anger about their own failure to stem the outbreak.”
“Something is happening that is bigger than the coronavirus.”
Meanwhile, please note that Half the Population of China, 760 Million, Now Locked Down
From an economic standpoint, January say the Largest Shipping Decline Since 2009 and That’s Before Coronavirus impact hit.
Supply chain disruptions have barely started.
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China to replace billions of paper bills in an effort to contain the spread of virus.
There is speculation that this is in preparation to country wide of shutting down internet. Speculation came because current data does not show that spread of virus via money notes is a source (though theoretically possible). And if it is not an immediate significant impact, why pumping so much paper money into the market?
Possible, but from a centrally managed perspective they might order that all notes received go for disinfection (one pile), and clean notes be issued ( another pile) by businesses, and the first pile is collected for disinfection to be later returned as clean in exchange for dirty. They would need extra clean notes to cover the first exchange. I.e. the extra notes are to cover for those in laundry. People could just disinfect own notes also but probably less reliable. It does spread on any object.
IDK.
I’ve been searching CDC, Scripps, etc. to see how they go about detecting a virus mutation. So far, it all looks like after the fact data gathering and analysis, analogous to sending a team of forensic experts to a mass murder scene for crime prevention.
They obviously have the means to plot viruses individually, why not convert the data to 3D and input it to a TIN app, partition the data, send elements plus relevant computation primitives to, say, a couple billion of the almost entirely idle mainframe-caliber mobile phones being used as pocket warmers around the world. Store it there and trigger when needed in testing for net change. If they’re dealing with just a few well-known problem child RNA regions and looking for net change, (the virus isn’t trying to hide, unlike, say, a missile launcher in Siberia) it knows we don’t have the processor power to find it. I’ll pick 20, in ignorance, the factorial is 2.43 X 10 18th, a non-starter even with a quantum alu, it’s the sequential staging and setup, not the processing delay that’s the problem. That could go from decades to hours with enough processors thrown at it. Over…?
I don’t know how they time the changes the way they do, they have some references… by calculating the net change I’m not sure we would be any further on because there is not much to be done about how, and how fast or slow, a virus changes ? Even if we modeled what it might change to, we would likely not know what real effect those changes might have, and so could not prepare for that. I suppose it might explain better some phylogenetic relationships, might be able to help discern epidemiological pathways, but that is rear looking also.
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I assume random mutation(s) in the viral RNA 30,000-long nucleotide base have acted as enabler for it to now attack the Ace2 receptor. If that’s not the case, and it has simply found a recent animal transport to humans, it could mean that both SARS and COVID 19, which were apparently identical until splitting 260 years ago, were both simply waiting for a bridge to humans, as was HIV-1 from monkeys, SARS from Civet cats, MERS from dromedary camels, etc.
I also assumed that no time-sequenced 3D topographical maps exist of the seven Coronaviruses or their various strains.
Additionally, I assumed that, if such maps were made available, they would be useful in detecting noteworthy change(s) in the virus, perhaps before R naught reached 1, etc.
I read that the targeting of ACE2 protein is not unique. Some of the Coronaviruses that cause the common cold do so too. HNL63-COV is one example.
Makes good sense. The trouble is maybe that evolution is not linear, so you might have a very slow moving virus making haphazard jumps depending on a variety of factors. You could devise stats from knowing those but they would not be accurate. For example a base might remain stable until it reached a certain species of host under certain conditions, or who knows what other influence, but over a broad timeframe would look just background random evolution. Modelling would be guide to narrow that down though, as well as observing if a virus was approaching certain thresholds, even in finding what those thresholds are because they are not well known.
It would be a big project, you would need the help of those versed in virus evolution to understand what parameters were useful and feasible to be used to gain insight. I’m not an expert in that by any means, but you trace out a project with these people and it might get taken up. Try contacting Gallaher and his team, or at virological dot org, it is how it is done – just building up an idea, asking for input and so on. There would be interest by some virologists for sure. It’s work also, without obvious reward.
Here is one example of using viral evolution to estimate case number, another use for modelling
Thanks, agreed. I happen to know some pretty heavy hitters in supercomputing, parallelization, scaling, etc. I’m going to think it through and see if I can rough out a model that passes the snicker test with them before calling Gallaher. He’s no doubt a very busy guy at the moment and I don’t want to come across like some guy who fell off a cabbage truck and decided to pitch his new way of counting the ten planets to Albert Einstein and Isaac Newton standing nearby.
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And America will do better if this thing comes here yeah? Millions have no health insurance. The price of food will skyrocket. Medicine? Forget that, most of the ingredients come from China.
And if anyone hasn’t noticed, our isolation centers are currently situated in densely populated areas including New Jersey. Why not Wyoming or Alaska?
If the virus goes viral here, expect Bernie Sanders as president. Full stop.
Anybody have any idea why the 746 PUI (Persons Under Investigation) on Washington State Health Department’s website are not listed on the CDC’s list of PUI’s as well? They only list 479 in the entire country. Both were updated yesterday (Washington) or today (CDC).
I have profound skepticism on the authenticity of this Video. As much as I detest the CCP (Chinese Communist Party), propaganda videos attacking the CCP do not help the cause. Ask yourself if this is authentic, why does she refer to “Hong Kong”, “Taiwan”, and “Tibet.”: those issues are entirely separate from the CCP’s disastrous incompetence in handling the Corona Virus calamity.
Am neither here nor there on it, I have seen people put on an act like this completely for show and in public , but then it might be authentic also. Hypothetically she could have mentioned the other themes out of a simple hope of combined outrage, I expect most Chinese know that there is resistance to CCP from them. So including those themes doesn’t imply that stories from the virus are just being invented to stir up those theatres.
So cannot say.
If the whole world knows truth not liked by the Chinese government can not be told. And if told, some warned, other disappeared. How is being skeptical on this video more useful than being skeptical on data given by government? It’s like giving opinions on something you just don’t know. The usual lack of insights of what really goes on in China from the outside world is, I guess, why people are still willing to give the benefit of doubt to the Chinese government.
YOKOHAMA, Japan — About 500 passengers left the cruise ship Diamond Princess on Wednesday at the end of a much-criticized two-week quarantine aboard the vessel, docked in Japan, that failed to stop the spread of the new virus among passengers and crew….The quarantine’s flop was underlined as authorities announced 79 more cases, bringing the total on the ship to 621…
This is really opening the gates to a wider spread.
There was an infectious disease expert on board the other day, and he got so upset on how the “quarantine” was being handled that he was removed from the boat for his outbursts.
Examples..
….food was delivered to cabins, eaten in the cabin, and then dishes were picked up and washed in the ships kitchen by workers with bare hands and no masks….
…if a passenger wanted something, a paper note was passed to the staff, if there was a question related to the request, the question was written on the same note and passed back to the passenger–back and forth….
…some of the staff had masks and gloves, some didn’t…
…fingerprints everywhere–walls, rails, windows….
Is this really how you handle a highly infectious disease? This explains exactly why the illness rate continues to increase in the cruise ship.
Were some the 500 people that walked off the ship today exposed yesterday or the morning of their departure from the ship? Who the hell knows?
The quarantine clock should have restarted every time a new passenger was identified with the virus. That’s a no-brainer. That’s why this thing is coming to a city near you.
I also find the information about the Diamond Princess “quarantine” troubling.
Japan appears to be relying on negative test results to protect them at this point, and the sensitivity and reliability of those tests also appears to be in doubt.
I am waiting to see if the US starts restricting travel with Japan. The US CDC made a pretty strong statement when they said passengers who refuse evacuation transport from the Diamond Princess will not be allowed back into the US until they serve another 14 day quarantine somewhere else first.
The other troubling aspect is that the testing is not that great. That now-famous Dr. Li who died was tested multiple times and had been showing symptoms before they finally got a positive. It depends on how good the throat swab is, where in the throat they take it, whether they get enough virus on the swab to even get a positive reading, etc. It’s mainly a lung virus so the patients may or may not have enough of the virus in their throats at the time of testing to even get a positive on the test.
There is no way there are going to contain this, they are making too many dumb mistakes to begin with, but even if they weren’t, they still couldn’t contain it.
I’m not a big fan of conspiracy theories but if we assume the Japanese are more than competent in infection control, it would be interesting to see whether the note passing was common throughout the ship, or just to one group of passengers.
There was an opportunity to learn something about the virus without the real or imagined censorship by the CCP. Given the potential damage that this virus will do, is it beyond the realms of possibility that somebody decided that learning about it was more important than limiting spread, in a self limiting environment?
Then they have extended their learning to outside the ship as some newly infected probably tested negative and are now in public ! So I only see incompetence or purposeful spread for reasons other than study as likely.
I don’t blame the Japanese, except for possibly spreading the virus to their own. They have a right to quarantine the ship, they provided the service they could, the ship could leave. The duty is/was of the authorities of the nations of the passengers to oversee/inspect the quarantine and intervene on their behalf in one form or another. The ship owner has responsibility in that also, and passengers had a right to insist on independent professional inspection of the arrangement. So a lot of fails there.
Excellent paper the from Scripps Research Institute yesterday.
Please note: the disease is called Covid-19, the virus is called SARS-CoV-2.
Notable quotes from the paper:
“In particular, we offer a perspective on the notable features in the SARS-CoV-2 genome and discuss scenarios by which these features could have arisen. Importantly, this analysis provides evidence that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct nor a purposefully manipulated virus.”
And this was something I haven’t heard anyone else propose that could be the source of the outbreak:
“Cryptic adaptation to humans. It is also possible that a progenitor to SARS-CoV-2 jumped from a non-human animal to humans, with the genomic features described above acquired through adaptation during subsequent human-to-human transmission. We surmise that once these adaptations were acquired (either together or in series) it would enable the outbreak to take-off, producing a sufficiently large and unusual cluster of pneumonia cases to trigger the surveillance system that ultimately detected it.”
In other words, it’s possible that something like this occurred: the virus jumped from animal to human, then mutated further as it was being carried around by one of those humans, and finally, it mutated into the very virulent strain that it is today. Remember, there are four common coronaviruses that just cause the common cold. After making the jump to humans, it could have had symptoms similar to the common cold so none of the hospitals thought anything about it. Finally, weeks, months later, it could have mutated inside a certain individual into a very virulent strain. Boom, now you have patient Zero. He could be a worker at the fish market so he is spreading it there as well as spreading it around on the bus going to and from work, and in his off hours spreading it at the local pub and Walmart. That could explain why half of the first 99 cases were tied to the fish market and half not.
“Thus the SARS-CoV-2 spike appears to be the result of selection on human or human-like ACE2 permitting another optimal binding solution to arise. This is strong evidence that SARS-CoV-2 is not the product of genetic engineering.”
They also have a strong argument as to why the virus was probably not a collection from a bat that escaped from a lab. Read the paper, it’s very interesting.
Thanks. It’s going to take me days to unpack and understand all this excellent sleuthing, but I intend to do it. Initial skim: An infinitely patient killer making random key modifications until it gets one to fit.
While you’re at it, throw this one into the mix…
They first show rbd is pangolin not sars, while genomically sarsCov2 is still said closest to ratg13, and then infer that quiet human transmission prior to the outbreak could have created that rbd.
Then they say :
“Although genomic evidence does not support the idea that SARS-CoV-2 is a laboratory construct, it is currently impossible to prove or disprove the other theories of its origin described here, and it is unclear whether future data will help resolve this issue. Identifying the immediate non-human animal source and obtaining virus sequences from it would be the most definitive way of revealing virus origins”
…where a similar virus sequence would be no guarantee that it was not introduced to the study animal for the study by anyone covering their tracks, or even by an infection from humans. Ratg13 was registered after Sarscov2 for example.
It is all interesting though, and they have their work cut out.
Anda, if you scroll to the bottom of the page, there are lots of interesting comments by bio-engineers. Also, many other pertinent links such as this one below. Full of interesting comments like these I’ve quoted. If there was anything resembling a bio-weapon or HIV, these guys would love to be the ones pointing it out so they could get their picture on the cover of Newsweek.
“Not likely scenarios for something a gene jockey would do.”
“Then one looks at the actual RNA alignment. The “insert” is actually not in frame, but CTCCTCGGCGGG, or -2 out of frame. Again, who does that?”
Professor Gallaher is way above my grade regarding molecular biology , here is his own publication on the virus
but you know science is based on putting evidence and theory on trial, and cross discipline is part of that, i.e. scientific enquiry can produce results that are patently absurd when viewed from a different angle. So as a critic I won’t draw conclusions but instead look for errors, because that is how it works. He is saying that there is no recent sarscov2 ancestor, even ratg13 is half a century removed. I don’t know about pangolin ancestry but it seems even further, as does sars. I don’t have trouble accepting that. So it is something of a “one off” for now. As they analyse it I expect they will find further clues. He opines that the sequences do not appear engineered, that is good, but it is not proof either, and I base that on the idea that we really do not know what kind of thinking or experiments might be going on in biolabs. So I leave it there, and add that it is also possible that a new virus was found and being studied, or changed, without its existence being published, so it could still be by human introduction, accidental or otherwise.
Anda, that definitely gets the link of the day award. I’ve been trying to get some stuff done on the homestead today and trying to track some of this Gallaher’s papers down in spare moments since his name keep coming up on that Virology website. Looks like you hit the mother lode. Thanks for posting the link!
Very welcome and thanks for your links. Here is some research that points in the opposite direction, not that I am questioning Gallaher’s view on if certain sequences look engineered or not, but to show this sort of work has been done. Here is a study (apparently involving a Wuhan biologist) where they try to make sars viruses cross species by engineering them
“Based on these findings, review panels may deem similar studies too risky to pursue as increased pathogenicity in mammalian models cannot be excluded. Coupled with restrictions on mouse adapted strains and monoclonal antibodies generated against escape mutants, research into CoV emergence and therapeutic efficacy may be severely limited moving forward. Together, these data and restrictions represent a crossroads of GOF research concerns; the potential to prepare and mitigate future outbreaks must be weighed against the risk of creating more dangerous pathogens.”
Part of that study was pseudotyping with HIV
Pseudotyping
Pseudotyping is a general term describing the use of a “foreign” viral envelope glycoprotein to alter the tropism of virus.
From: Viruses, 2017
So it is no wonder many people are suspicious, justified or not.
“Supply chain disruptions have barely started.”
What is the situation with imported pharmaceutical supplies? Supposedly, China is the biggest supplier and FDA inspectors are no longer on the job, in addition to whatever supply interruptions may be occurring. Is this going to become a life threatening situation for some people in the U.S.?
Thats what in trying to find out as my wife is diabetic. No one really knows much or isn’t willing to say.
Type 1 or Type 2? If the latter, as you probably know, a UK study found that a very strict diet can mitigate or even cure. Might help if supplies get difficult, probably little help if she’s Type 1.
Why can’t someone open a twitter competiter site and dont censor it???? Seems like all the mega sites are censored. Why is that? Someone please cough all over XI, if the jackass isn’t already vaccinated. People can only take so much. Also, you can thank the likes of Google for their enslavement. Furthermore, still want to give up gun rights in the US? I don’t think so! Human behavior will attempt to eventually own and control everything we could easily end up just like them.
A rare combination of irrational thinking and incoherence knitted together in a series of unrelated sentences.
This is how all revolutions begin. Not sure if it will amount to anything.
Im a younger older person (53) and Ive seen enough to know that the majority of impending disasters have a tendency to be a “created” thing for govt or business or the Internet’s benefit (Y2K, hyperinflation, peak oil, 2008, Trump ending America) and so Ill sit back on this one and dream about the end of the Chinese Commie Party. Cause its only gonna be a dream ….
I’m grateful to you. You are about 0.01% more likely to die from this than me (i am 3 years younger) and as they say, you don’t need to outrun the bear, only the person behind you 🙂
If you could develop some comorbidities (put on some weight, take up smoking, get high blood pressure) i’d be most appreciative.
If you watch twitter and youtube, you will see a lot of people posting a lot of stories–some real and some not. Oddly enough, there are people who post to advance their own agenda, which may not have to do with the actual coronavirus. And oddly enough, on the inner-tubes I have never seen a sharp copy of these videos–what is the device they are recording with?
I have no doubt that things are really, really bad in Wuhan/Hubei and it will be years before the full extent comes out. These are the people being thrown under the wheels of the train to slow its advance. They deserve our respect and sorrow and our help, as it can be given.
As for the number officially ill and dead–it’s issued for internal control of the population. They cannot have people trying to break out of their plague ship in mass numbers. It has to be “contained” without the appearance of mass deaths in the ship. Should we encourage the people to rise up and overthrow their overlords–and that’ll solve the inhumanity of having this collection of humans in that particular petri-dish?
What would happen in the US in similar circumstances? We may find out. Our initial kindness to our fellow citizens and world travelers may lead us down some dark paths.
I’ve been glued to Jennifer Zeng and Harry Chen PhD’s posts on Twitter. Unfortunately the censors both in China and, apparently, in California ( thanks Jack Dorsey) are cracking down and fewer videos are coming out of China now. Twitter apparently took down a ghastly video of some local officials beating a poor dog to death. Why? It was having a greater impact on viewers than videos of police beating humans.
I agree with TimeToTest. All what she says about the (capitalist-communist) government could be said here also if unfortunately this epidemic reach our countries. Lies and power abuse everywhere and especially when facts are turning dramatic..
However I appreciate what China is doing because that is our last chance not to get infected by the HIV-COVID 19. I am not convinced that our leaders (UE) would be able to take such containment measures.
The fact we must acknowledge from all what we learned about the virus is that it is VERY VERY DANGEROUS because it is flu (high infection rate) and HIV (silent bearer) combined.
As I have already pointed out, China research indicate that this new virus has unfortunately some of the HIV characteristics: You may be a symptom free bearer for a long time until you get a compromised immune system caused by your way of life (stress, fatigue toxines..). That is what happen to the medical personnel in China which although young register 50 per cent of severe cases.
On the other hand if like 20 per cent of the infected you are old and or have already organs diseases you get it right away with very severe symptoms. 80 per cent of the tested positive have only mild symptoms until…
Even the Nucleic acid test probe are not sensitive enough to detect all the infected because the “healthy ” bearers (no symptoms at all) have too small a virus load in their blood.Consequently like the HIV there are a lot of non-symptomatic bearers.
Please China dont give up your fight.
How can you conclude this virus lies dormant until someone’s immune system is compromised? There’s little to no evidence of it.
I think crazyworld is presenting the nightmare scenario. There is no evidence against it either for now, just suggestions either way at least until it is proven that people don’t remain long term carriers.
A step back from that is that viruses behave like this anyway, even flu lingers in the population permanently and takes out the most compromised, year after year. So it is not a great step to picture a virus that stays almost dormant and takes over once a person is weaker, just a stretch maybe. There are other microbes that live permanently on a person, and on animals, that don’t cause the full symptoms except occasionally, in fact what gives wind to op’s theory is that that circumstance regarding coronavirus and bats was under study in the Wuhan lab. I’m not drawing any conclusions but the question of what this virus is is still unanswered beyond blaming an animal market which was likely not the original source.
This will be repeated all over the globe. When governments can not longer protect people the social contract is broken. People will trade freedom for security but when the government can provide neither the system breaks. The question is soon asked- Why have I given everything for nothing in return?
People in China are asking this question. Soon everyone will.
You have to be one cold-hearted bastard not to ache at the sight of a woman anywhere raging at a system standing between her and her family’s needs.
Million man armies can be raised from even 60 million pissed off people. Germany took on the world in 1939 with 69 million.
Autocratic, single party systems all have the same problem: The rulers are either on the tiger, or inside it.
Things you don’t mention in China, the three T’s: Tibet, Taiwan, and Tianamen Square. Also, China started clamping down on people using VPNs. It’ a good time to see how “well” their social media controls work.
Food supply shortages and secondary plagues will be hand in glove with CoronaV. Watch for large scale mobilization of military reserves and acceptance of foreign assistance as signs that Chinese civilian population is in dire straits. Can’t send out for Chunese for 760 million!
I cannot confirm where that video was filmed.
I can say that it is similar to what the New York Times reports in Fear, Fury and the Coronavirus.
The NYT reporters were in China.
The NYT reporters noticed more willingness to speak against the government than they have ever seen before.
Wow. Video clips like this get you killed in the PRC. Is it indeed authentic?
Replace “killed” with “disappeared”, because people like that have never been found.